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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:37 AM
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Are we underestimating Macattack vs. any dem for GE?
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 01:40 AM by bluedawg12
2008 Republican Presidential Primary
McCain’s Circuitous Path to Nomination Leaves Him Better Off than Original Frontrunner Strategy

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/2008_republican_presidential_primary

Wednesday, January 30, 2008

“A week ago, Rasmussen Reports noted that if John McCain wins Florida, he may be close to unstoppable ...He did win … and he is close to unstoppable.

Rasmussen Markets gave McCain an 80% chance of winning the nomination (current pricing ( 83.7%).

If McCain does end up capturing the nomination...latest Rasmussen Reports polling shows McCain leading both Clinton and Obama).”

In head to head match up Macattack wins over HRC and BO.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

Are we at risk for having great and passionate primaries but muffing the GE?

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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:43 AM
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1. No.
I listened to the local right wing talk radio station all day and McCain got hammered. These goofs were talking third party and voting for Clinton (in hopes she screws up so bad they can regain the House and Senate in two years).

I shit you not.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:48 AM
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3. I can believe it- RW loves politics of destruction.
Strategery!
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:04 AM
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15. please - it's a set-up to make McCain appear more moderate
and to distance him from the Bush policies he has embraced the last several years.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:19 AM
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26. I'm in the South...
the radio shows have no interest in making McCain look "moderate". They have talked about him like a dog for years, and the fact he is the front runner right now has the rednecks enraged.
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DiamondJay Donating Member (484 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:48 AM
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2. oh, McCain would never do anything out of character
thats how the media treats him, like he is so moral. After all he is a saint (cough cough) i mean veteran
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:49 AM
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4. He's a mean nasty, angry guy- he's no saint.
But the public hasn't seen what those who work with him have.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:05 AM
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16. and,will they ever? he's been almost sainted by the media
if he has a temper-tantrum on air, the media will call it righteous anger or something.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:52 AM
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5. "Are we at risk for having great and passionate primaries but muffing the GE?"
Barring a McCain implosion, it looks like better than even odds for 4 more years of far right rule.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:22 AM
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8. We cannot tolerate a vindictive., angry , petty,
war monger, lunatic, to run the most powerful and dangerous nation on the planet.

We pick our candidate and then focus the spotlight on getting out every single vote for the GE, to avoid the national decline and disaster- , his party caused, repugs, cannot return to power after the damage they have done!
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:06 AM
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17. I don't think an implosion is out of the realm of possiblilites..
his campaign has already imploded once. McCain is a very volatile man, he alienates people everywhere he goes, and he's a terrible fundraiser. Wifey's money can't carry him to the White House. I don't see him going the distance.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:31 AM
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22. Well, they have little choice- who else could they run, now?
Mitt just won't pass their smell test.

Thompson is out, Ron Paul is a burr in their side, that's all, and Huckpee is just novelty- let's not forget- very, very big money is behind the RW- and they want a guy who they can more or less control--and they have done that to him.

He flip flops like a fish on a pier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:48 AM
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25. I still don't count Mitt out of it..
he would make a better puppet for them, and if they drag Rove out of his slime pit to work for him, who knows what will happen.
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:02 AM
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6. Never underestimate anyone.
But that said, I think McCain is a shaky candidate at best. He makes people nervous. Romneys pretty soft too. Since their candidates are so weak from the getgo, I think their only strategy is to make the dems look worse. If our candidate is prepared to fight the slime machine, I think they have a really good shot.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:15 AM
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7. We had better take NOTHING for granted.
We have a hell of a lot of work to do. It will NOT be a simple cake-walk whether it's McCain or Romney. We need long heavy coat-tails come November.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:24 AM
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9. McCain is the scariest- I sense that he is off his nut and angry
we have got to get out the vote-when the time comes.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:26 AM
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10. At least we know that McCain had a black baby and he's a traitor, thanks to Karl Rove.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:48 AM
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11. I hope McCain is their candidate. He looks like hell. I've never seen anyone so WHITE.
His health is going to become a major issue over the next year and I agree with some of the other posters - he's verging on insane and NOT a nice person. How long can he maintain this facade of sanity and calm?
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lancer78 Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:59 AM
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12. I believe that
Rasmussen is right on this one. Republicans are well known for their desire to win, no matter what. The conservatives will hold their nose when voting for McCain. They will especially do it if he is facing HRC. Remember this, the hatred felt for president * by us here at DU is equaled by the hatred of everthing clinton by the republicans. I know a lot of people here don't want to hear that, but it is the simple truth. With McCain running I predict that the Republicans will pick up Michigan as well as Wisconsin. Those 2 states virtually guarentee a republican victory.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:37 AM
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31. HRC is problematic ...
I will say out of the gates, I would not count her out, cause she is the toughest, smartest and most focused candidate, by far ... The right has counted her out a couple times, and the more the beat up on her, the more she wants it ...

However, you are correct ... Whatever qualms the right has about McCain, if it HRC is the dem candidate, they will vote for McCain without a doubt, the can throw all the little fits they want now, but in the end, their viceral hatred of Clintons overrides everything else ...

I will add this one rider, though ... The Ds have just killed the Rs in turnout to this point, and historically the Rs always do better in primaries, there is a SERIOUS difference in turnout right now ... The turnout might make the difference, as well as well as the female vote ...

But, a HRC nomination makes it a blood battle, royal, and it makes the GE very much up for grabs ...

I would feel a lot better about Obama, the only thing that would be problematic is domestic terror attack ...
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:07 AM
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13. Bomb bomb bomb iran McCain seems to a mental problem....
so I would say no. I think he is overrated.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 08:54 AM
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14. The repugs don't like his positions- but the public falls for
the venerable war hero, senior Senator image- forgetting he wants perpetual war.

It's like shrub without meds.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:07 AM
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18. He's a doddery old man with none of Reagan's affability..
once he gets on stage next to Obama, he's going to look small, angry and weak. I think Hillary would tear him apart too. I'm not too worried about him.
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caseycoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:27 AM
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19. We are very much at risk
McCain generally looks & sounds very competent & acts somewhat amused at the 'silly Democrats' He is very well known. He scares me!
We have a woman running.. never been done. We have a black man running.. never been done. Both candidates have some baggage the right wing can pick up & run with. Look what they did to Howard Dean over an enthusiastic 'scream'
McCain will not be easy to beat. I think we are in for the fight of our lives!
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:17 AM
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20. Never underestimate this guy! Complacency will cost us WH. n/t
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:23 AM
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21. Flippity floppity-straight talkity? Check this>>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI

Watch him twitch and spin his issues and answers.
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caseycoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:36 AM
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23. I agree! n/t
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:47 AM
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24. well first off -- mac won't design his attack campaign --
somebody else will.

it will depend on who or what team he puts together for the GE -- and that will determine the success of failure of his attempts.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:39 AM
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27. It depends on how well they package that mean prick-
they have way to go to make him lovebale.

I will never forgive that old perve, for his Chelsy low, life skanky, sleazy, comment.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:04 AM
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30. packaging is right --
and they'll make the very best job they can.

can't stand mccain -- but i'm guessing he'll get some good folk to sell him.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:29 PM
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32. Just saw mcNut's first TV ad in the MW- he's selling himself as
the true conservative and running his film footage from his captivity and then he stole from HRC- ready for the job day one- type message.

You can dress a pig up but...
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:46 AM
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28. Absolutely.
He's going to play the wounded vet card at a time when America is willing to do somersaults and cartwheels to make up for how vets were treated after Vietnam. His personal story is extraordinarily moving and will be used to guilt America into staying in Iraq if we're not very careful.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 06:37 AM
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29. It is still a long way to the Election.
McLame is risking his campaign on Iraq & what he spells out as a surging success.
Iraq may become even more unstable than it ever was in a few months. The Surge
may not be the success that he & the RWing hawks promote it as.

People are now more worried about the Economy & he has no solutions for that or
the other problems of most Americans.
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