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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:17 AM
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This will sink like the proverbial stone. That is all.
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 06:18 AM by cali
Tribe all but vanishes from Kenyan city By KATHARINE HOURELD, Associated Press Writer
Wed Jan 30, 3:56 PM ET

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080130/ap_on_re_af/kenya_ethnic_cleansing

KISUMU, Kenya - The young man hefting a machete at the burning roadblock was frustrated. He'd been looking for five days, but could not find a member of the Kikuyu tribe to kill.

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Members of Kenya's biggest tribe have disappeared in their thousands from Kisumu, making it the first — but perhaps not the last — city to be ethnically cleansed.

"If we find any Kikuyus, we're going to slaughter them or burn them alive," 19-year-old Daniel Odongo said Wednesday, who wielded the machete as a mob of hundreds of young men with rusty axes and other weapons roared their approval. "But there is none in the houses around here."

When incumbent President Mwai Kibaki was announced as winner of Dec. 27 elections by a narrow margin after days of unexplained delays, many in Kisumu took to the streets of the city of 504,000 on the shores of Lake Victoria, looting and setting shops ablaze.

The residents, mainly from the Luo tribe of opposition leader Raila Odinga, soon turned their rage on Kibaki's Kikuyu people — a minority in the western city resented for their domination of politics and the economy. They set Kikuyu homes on fire and ordered them to leave, or face death.

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Nearly 1,000 Kenyans have been brutally killed since the election, and Kenya teeters on the brink. It's been one of the most stable countries in Africa.
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sazemisery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:24 AM
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1. K&R for some buoyancy. n/t
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:25 AM
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2. Kenyans government
Are "family" based. (think "Hussein") Kind like the stereotypical mafia. A woman from there explained it to me one time. Extremely corrupt. But there are so many great people there,-- this is very frightening news, not just for human beings, but for the wildlife reserves they and other African have been trying to establish, country by country.

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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:32 AM
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3. Actually, some of us have been following this -- with trepidation
There is a very disturbing trend in Africa -- genocide, motivated largely by radical elites acting as proxies for the world's rich. Nigeria is also unstable, and Sudan, as most of us are aware, has become an ethnic-cleansing state. The revolution in South Africa was also hijacked by forces unknown, and that's only recently calmed down a little.

I tend to disbelieve conspiracies, but Africa is an exception. In the last few years, several "entrepreneurs" and international adventurers have been connected to African strongmen -- Pat Robertson (connected to Nigeria) among them.

--p!
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:33 AM
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4. Curse your effective reverse psychology!
:P

K'n'R
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:34 AM
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6. Thank you for falling for it and for the k&r. n/t
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:33 AM
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5. I hope it doesn't
This is way too sad.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:42 AM
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7. If anyone hasn't seen "Hotel Rwanda" yet, I highly recommend it
it is a gut-wrenching film, and really puts a fine point on ethnic cleansing.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:55 AM
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8. kr
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 07:00 AM
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9. Nominated.
Thank you.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 07:05 AM
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10. Thank you, H2O Man
We need to know. We need to remember.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:01 AM
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22. We need to DO something
Knowing and remembering are not enough.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 07:09 AM
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11. K&R....It could be us in the Future if we continue our ignorant ways...Mongo /Rockridge
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 07:21 AM
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12. I posted it yesterday--got some comments. People are interested.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 07:31 AM
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13. Glad you posted it- don't think it hurts to post it again. n/t
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 07:45 AM
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14. The Kenya situation is so horrific and unbelievable. Africa has had so
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 08:39 AM by EV_Ares
many corrupt governments & elections causing the suffering of the people, the rest of the world seems to sit back & turn the other way until forced to intervene in some way and then, what do you do? I hope there are some answers found someday.

This is not the first time Africa has suffered from ethnic violence. In Rwanda, Burundi, Sudan, Ethiopia, Nigeria, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Congo, Angola and many others, ethnic violence has rocked already shaky post-colonial states.

World leaders have failed to recognize the severity of the situation in Kenya and have instead used meaningless diplomatic rhetoric to avoid the harsh reality. U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice called the situation “deeply concerning,” and U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said the situation was “unacceptable.”

http://thedaily.washington.edu/2008/1/31/staff-editorial/

Thanks for posting Cali, K&R.

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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 08:25 AM
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15. k& r. This is just so tragic and horrific.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:04 AM
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16. What's so horrible about this?
It sounds like the Luo tribesmen would make terrific Americans. They see a problem with some people, the Kikiyu, and they eliminate the problem. Sure, they use some crude methods: machetes and immolation are kind of slow, but they are thorough. Listen to the rhetoric from our home-grown politicians when they talk about the immigration problem or the terrorism problem or the gay problem or whatever other problem they've ginned up that makes them pee their pants in ph34r. What's so very different about the Luo solution to the Kikiyu problem?

When the hacking and the burning is over, I foresee a steady stream of the likes of Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter making sojourns to Kenya to congratulate the Luo on their ingenious solution, and looking for pointers.
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Progressive_In_NC Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:09 AM
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24. One problem, the LUO candidate was going to implement sharia law
The involvement of Islam is that the presidential candidate backed by the Luos promised to implement sharia if he got elected and also promised that Islam would be taught in the schools.

Therefore, Hunter and Tancredo wouldn't touch that guy with a 10 foot poll.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:00 PM
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17. kick, etc...
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:20 AM
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18. Late night kick
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 07:27 AM
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19. So many of us
So many of us (myself included) are so wrapped up in internal US affairs, we lose the opportunity to parse larger matters of global concern (although, I believe they are inextricably linked.
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:55 AM
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20. Kick. nt
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 08:56 AM by flashl
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:57 AM
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21. thanks
it heartening to know so many DUers care about this.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:03 AM
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23. This is so horrific that I am dazed by the implications.
And didn't Bill gates just send a "brazzillion" dollars for farm aid?
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:22 AM
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25. Kick to see the movie "DARWIN'S NIGHTMARE" set in the same area this is happening
Tanzania, on the shores of Lake Victoria.

Uganda (British-manufactured union of the former
700 year old kingdoms of Buganda and Ankole),

Rwanda (former 800 year old kingdom of Rwanda),

Tanzania (which has had relative peace thanks to
Julius Nyerere's anti-ethnocentric government
but is starving to death),

and Kenya surround the region of Lake Victoria.

See "Darwin's Nightmare" to learn why there is
so much "ethnic conflict" in the region.

Hotel Rwanda is a good movie but "Darwin's Nightmare"
goes deep into the global economic forces at work
behind the slow genocide of East African people.

Google "Darwin's Nightmare" for more information.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:30 AM
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26. kick
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