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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:36 PM
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A plea from Dennis. Everyone two minutes of your time please
Dennis backed out of the presidential race earlier then he expected. He wanted to stay in to try to move the candidate who would be elected further left. But corporate interests have taken him out of the race by forcing him to go back and defend his Congressional district from store bought corporatist Candidates who will vote however big business tells them to. If you didn't like dennis for president and you don't like his show boating you can at least agree that you like his voting record. He is as honest a politician that you will meet and is a very sincere person. Please donate so that his great progressive voice doesn't get silenced.

Dennis plea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LehCxhHPXQ8

Contribute to his campaign: http://www.kucinich.us/contribute.html
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:39 PM
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1. And vote for Gravel. He's in it for the long haul, and he's the only
one making any sense--and not whining like a baby about the other candidate.

http://www.gravel2008.us/
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RFKJrNews Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:33 AM
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41. Thank God Gravel is still in the race
Unfortunately, the media will not inform most people of this fact.

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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 06:45 PM
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52. If he's on my primary ballot, I will.
Otherwise I'll be writing in DK.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:40 PM
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2. This ember can ignite a flame
or expire. America's choice.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:43 PM
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3. Been contributing to DK for over 30 years. That will never change.
I think he's a great voice for the working man.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:43 PM
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4. Store bought corporatists? I don't think all of them are. One is a GOLD STAR mom who used to
support DK. She felt he spent too much time attending to matters other than the district, so she decided to run against him. She's been trying to get him to debate her, but he refuses.

She has some very amusing ads on her website.

But hey, whatever.

http://rosemarypalmerforcongress.com/index.php?page=display&id=1


    A native of Wooster, Ohio, Palmer worked as a reporter and editor for newspapers in Wooster, Elyria, Ypsilanti (MI), and Columbus. She was also co-founder of Capitol News Services, covering state government for several daily and weekly newspapers in northeastern Ohio. Covering the Ohio General Assembly gave her a front-row seat in how an effective legislature works – cooperation and compromise to move forward on pertinent issues.

    This first career taught her how government and public affairs works, offering insights in how cooperation between public officials can mean progress while demanding "my way or no way" means stagnation.

    She is an English as a Second Language specialist, having taught English at Wuhan University in China in 1984, 1986-1988. She was assistant to the director of the English as a Second Language (ESL) program at Seton Hall University, South Orange, NJ, from 1989 to 1993. From 1993 to 2001 she designed and directed ESL programs at Bloomfield College, Bloomfield, NJ., taking a small program of about 40 students to one of nearly 300 students.

    This second career provided rich experience in international diversity and the need for cross-cultural sensitivity so students could move forward in their chosen fields.

    Palmer served as director of non-traditional education at Lake Erie College from 2001 to 2003 and taught in Cleveland Municipal School District from 2003 to 2006, putting her knowledge of public affairs and cultural diversity to good use.

    After the death of her son, Marine Lance Corporal Edward “Augie” Schroeder in Iraq in August 2005, she began speaking out about misguided and mismanaged public policy that led to continuing death of Americans and Iraqis. With her husband, Paul Schroeder, she co-founded Families of the Fallen for Change, a nonpartisan, non-profit organization that has sought a responsible end to the Iraq War.

    This work has brought her into the public eye throughout the United States and in lobbying Congress. Her work with Democrats and Republicans has brought her praise from Senators George Voinovich, Sherrod Brown, Joe Biden, and others, as well as several members of the House of Representatives.

    Rosemary holds a Bachelor of Arts Degree in English from Ashland University, with a minor in Spanish. She holds a Master of Arts in education, teaching English to speakers of other languages (TESOL), from the Ohio State University and has done graduate work in journalism at Kent State University, education administration at Rutgers University, and distance learning at the University of Maryland. She is currently a graduate student at the Bliss Institute of Applied Politics at the University of Akron.

    While in New Jersey, Palmer was elected to the South Orange-Maplewood Board of Education. She has served in church leadership roles in Columbus, Maplewood, NJ, and in Cleveland Heights.

    In addition to her late son, Palmer also has a daughter, Amanda Schroeder, who lives in Morristown, New Jersey.

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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:50 PM
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6. actually the couple of people that I have spoken
to on this board from the 10th district say he's done a great job. Also coming from the fact that he went from the bottom on up starting at alderman and going to mayer I think he has a pretty good grasp on local politics. Yes of course a presidential campaign would surely make constituents feel as if he was not concentrating on them as hard as he should be, between his campaign and his always making a vote on the hill I'm sure he hasn't had alot of time for his district. But those that say he doesn't care makes me laugh. If he didn't care he would have been booted out long ago.

Anyways thanks for shitting on my thread. This wasn't one for discussion. His voting record is clear and unless you can come up with an example for neglect I'm gonna just chalk up this post of yours to just another anti kucinich post. Anyways here is the dem that i was referring to, I'm not gonna bother looking up the repubs.

http://www.ferrisforcongress.com/issues.asp
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:53 PM
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8. you are the one who broadly labelled his opponents "corporatist"
If you can defend it, do so. Attacking the person who pointed out that at least one of his opponents doesn't seem to fit that description seems to be an admission you overstated.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:58 PM
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:14 PM
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15. This woman is not a "store bought corporatist Candidate"--she used to support DK. She's sick of his
perpetual vanity runs for the Presidency, while the district sinks into greater poverty. She has been asking him to debate her for MONTHS, and he refuses. I find that ironic since he was always the one griping to be allowed to debate in all of the primary debates.

If you weren't inaccurate, no one would have to correct you. You painted an inaccurate picture with your 'corporatist candidate' line.

Is correcting false statements "shitting" now? How interesting.

If DK's supporters can't take a little correction, or competitoon, he might have cause to worry.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:12 PM
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24. She is not the frontrunner. The big bux are going to the city councilman n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:01 PM
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30. Who said she was? She's simply not a 'store bought corporatist.' She is a REAL PERSON. nt
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stimbox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:08 PM
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31. A real person running on the corporatist "new" democrat platform. n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:38 PM
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32. No she isn't. Her platform and her support are totally "grassroots." NT
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 05:11 PM
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50. looks like most of that grass is her own green
10th Congressional candidate Palmer raised $133,300 in '07

http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/02/congressional_candidate_rosema.html

Posted by Molly Kavanaugh February 01, 2008 15:42PM
Categories: Kucinich

Tenth Congressional District candidate Rosemary Palmer has raised $133,300, with more than 60 percent of the money coming from Palmer's personal loans, according to a financial disclosure report filed late Thursday with the Federal Elections Commission.

Palmer is one of four candidates trying to unseat Rep. Dennis Kucinich.

As of the Dec. 31 filing deadline, the former teacher and journalist had lent the campaign $81,400 and had $51,700 on hand.

Cleveland Councilman Joe Cimperman leads the pack in fundraising, with $228,000 collected by the end of 2007. Kucinich had raised $47,000 -- a third of which was raised in the last three months of 2007.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 06:17 PM
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51. Well, if eighty one grand is her own dough, that means her supporters have
ponied up fifty three grand--which is more than DK's supporters have coughed up.

She obviously believes in her campaign, if she's willing to go get loans to help it along. That's not being a "corporatist" though, and that's my point.

The big money guy, relatively speaking, is the Cimperman guy.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:07 AM
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34. And she is not the choice of the big bux people in Cleveland, either
Hope she stays in the race. The big money will be behind the councilman, and she'll help split the anti-Kucinich vote.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:09 PM
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61. Pardon me, I'm new here and a big Kucinich fan
but how can something posted on a discussion board be something that "wasn't one for disucssion"? Just curious.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:55 PM
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10. great candidate
ooh she was on the board of educators big whoop. Sorry I don't know why you bring this up to me. It seems kucinich has experience in governing by the boatloads on every level. His voting record is immaculate. His honesty and integrity are unquestionable. Whats your beef with him?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:07 PM
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14. My point is that she is NOT a "Corporatist" as you implied in your OP.
She's a grassroots candidate who is running a shoestring budget campaign on a platform that includes opposition to the war.

My "beef" is with your inaccurate subject line.

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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:38 PM
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19. no your just looking for an excuse to get your underwear in a snit
I did not mean to imply "all", i said he went back to defend his seat "from" corpratist candidates. If you have a favorite in that specific run and you don't like how I said what I said then go with "if the shoe fits wear it" She seems like a great person but she doesnt have the experiance or proven track record of dennis. anyways sorry if once again you misunderstood what I said.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:41 PM
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20. No, I am not. I am pointing out that you were "inaccurate" in your assertions.
I have no dog in that district's fight. May the best person win.

I do think it's important to be as factual as we possibly can be, though. We lose credibility if we paint with a broad brush. And credibility is one of those things we lose only once.
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stimbox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:54 PM
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28. Go read her positions. She's got "New" Democrat written all over her.
Where's her money coming from?
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:52 AM
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44. She may be a great person.
I think the corporatist label is meant for Cipperman. But, you don't stop a war and lousy trade deals by sitting around the pot belly stove in the home front. Kucinich was in Seattle yelling about the WTO which has hurt Cleveland so . Or talked at the big NYC demonstration at the start of the war. Who fought for Cleveland more than Kucinich that taking to the march in Seattle. Maybe we should ask who is doing the vanity run. About Cimperman. See the link below. He's the corporate candidate from Clevland real estate, GOP friendly hacks.

Cimperman's tactics, however, are far removed from integrity. While focusing on Kucinich's absence from the 10th District during his Presidential campaigning, he's violated Federal Law by filming inside of Kucinich's Cleveland office and also by posting "WANTED" posters around Cleveland. And it turns out Cimperman isn't just attacking Kucinich in shady ways, but also other competitors in the race for the 10th. In a dastardly shameful move, Cimperman's campaign bought up domain names that Tom O'Grady, Mayor of Cleveland suburb North Olmstead, would want to use in his bid for Congress. (A similar move was pulled on Kucinich's 2004 Presidential bid, by the way. One of his Republican opponents bought kucinich.com and turned it a satire site).

**What we really find out, though, is that Cimperman's more anti-Kucinich than pro-Cleveland. One of his smear videos against Kucinich states that he's missed 300+ votes, which is "more than any other Congressman". That's just not true, for one. Kucinich ranks average for all of Congress, plus his absenteeism during the Presidential campaign season (all of 2007) amounts to only about 184 votes. Secondly, and more importantly, Councilman Cimperman isn't even running for Congress in the district which, as Cleveland blogger Callahan points out, represents most of his Ward. That distinct would be the 11th, currently represented by Stephanie Tubbs Jones. Tubbs Jones, however, is far from a progressive Democrat: she has been strongly in favor of free trade, actively supporting the recent Peru Free Trade Agreement. Not to mention she likes to take trips paid for by lobbyists (note: I feel dirty citing a Michelle Malkin article) and, oddly enough, sits on the House Ethics committee (!). And concerning her voting attendence, Tubbs Jones has missed 600+ votes, which GovTrack.us considers "Very Poor" relative to her peers

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2802641&mesg_id=2802814
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:35 PM
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46. what's her idea of a "responsible end " to the Iraq War ?10 years?
100+ years?
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:47 PM
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5. Do You Have Information On These Candidates And Facts About Them To Support Your Claims?
Or am I supposed to just take you at your word.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:52 PM
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7. you don't take anyone at their word
becaues I've run into you before look on google or look at my post above. I'm just here trying to keep kucinich in his congressional seat. I'm sure you have an issue with that too.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:56 PM
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11. and apparently you are willing to bend the truth to keep DK in his seat
You were the one that broadly labelled DK's opponents as "corporatist". YOu were called on it and your response has been to attack those who pointed out that one of his opponents is a gold star mom. If she's a "corporatist" in bed with the "corporate interest", let's see some proof of that.

If you want to defend DK on the merits, fine. Just don't make up stuff.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:00 PM
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:15 PM
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17. Obviously Not. Instead, You're Merely Here To Slander For Sake Of Your Candidate's Gain.
Pretty weak, to be honest.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:03 PM
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45. see post number 44 please.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:55 PM
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9. I will. Thanks for the heads up!! nt
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:15 PM
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16. kick (nt)
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:16 PM
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18. k n r
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:46 PM
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21. Kick and Recommend.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 07:24 PM
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22. Kick.
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hg4 Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 08:21 PM
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23. just donated EOM
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:26 PM
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25. I can't believe any bonehead would tout anyone but Dennis for his seat

He's an amazing voice in Congress.

No matter who is running against him, they are the wrong person for that seat.

And people who misuse this thread to tout those candidates are in the wrong, too.


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stimbox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:56 PM
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29. The anti-progressive corporate waterboys are out in force.
Figured they would have stopped their Kucinich smearing when he dropped out of the Presidential race.
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:00 PM
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48. Got that right

Anything to stop and advocate of making government actually work for real people.


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piesRsquare Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:37 PM
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26. Does Kucinich have a stutter?
Just watched the video at the link you posted...I've read his stuff before, but never heard him speak. He seems to have a minor stutter. Very nice voice...looks pretty hot in this video, too (if I may say so!)
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:40 PM
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27. Normally not
He's actually a very good orator (although while making a passionate speech his head tends to bobble around) look up some of his stump speeches on youtube.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:46 PM
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33. Let's stay behind this good man.
K&R
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:09 AM
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35. Dennis gets a weekly from me.
He's a true progressive, a true liberal. Impeachment, gay marriage rights, ending the war...

It's money well spent. Money I'd never, EVER give to our "candidates".
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:40 AM
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36. Perhaps if he has spent more time doing his job as a Congressman and less time
tilting at windmills, he would not be in trouble back home.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:24 AM
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37. he's actually a very good representative from what I have heard
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:20 AM
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39. If he were that great, he would not be having a tough time being reelected
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:37 AM
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43. when you have 4 people yelling louder then you
about what a fuck up you are, it tends to hurt your rep a little, even if they are all lies.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:33 PM
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58. That's backward. If he weren't effective, he wouldn't be targeted. n/t
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:54 AM
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38. kick
kick
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:58 AM
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40. Letter to the Editor
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 10:55 AM by Algorem
Letter to the Editor

Reader questions Plain Dealer’s quick endorsement of Cimperman

http://www.plainpress.org/html/stories/2008-01/lettertotheeditor0108.htm

To the editor:

Editor’s Note: This letter from a resident of the 10th Congressional District was originally submitted to the Plain Dealer. Due to the Plain Dealer’s refused to publish the letter, the Plain Press offered a space for the author to voice his concerns.

Dear Plain Dealer Editor Susan Goldberg

Plain Dealer Politics Writer Mark Naymik again slants his reporting against Cleveland Congressman Dennis Kucinich, a true populist and progressive. In his December 4 story, Naymik boosts the candidacy of Cleveland City Councilman Joe Cimperman, who is running for Congress against Kucinich, by falsely claiming that Cimperman is an advocate for the poor and a "populist"...








Joe Cimperman endorsement elicits strong reaction

http://www.cleveland.com/letters/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/opinion/1201685885303840.xml&coll=2

Wednesday, January 30, 2008

Joe Cimperman's very public claims that Congressman Dennis Kucinich is a "part-time representative" do not jibe with the facts. During the current Congress, Kucinich has voted 89 percent of the time. Perhaps Cimperman was confusing Kucinich with Sens. Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, who have only voted 76 percent and 62 percent of the time, respectively. Over his career, Kucinich has shown up to vote 95 percent of the time, which is far better than most representatives and senators.

Cimperman should drop this argument. I am left to conclude that he is confused, either morally or intellectually.

Andrew Magrath, Alliance
Advertisement








The withdrawal of Dennis Kucinich from the presi dential race proves that anyone who threatens the status quo will be marginalized by the media and drummed out of the running. The media did their best to portray Kucinich as a buffoon.

Kucinich advocated: ending the war in Iraq; withdrawing from trade agreements like NAFTA; impeaching the vice president; and putting our tax money into education, jobs and green energy. He proposed a WPA-type program to rebuild America's crumbing infrastructure. He proposed a "green" plan that would have created millions of jobs designing, manufacturing, installing and retrofitting wind and solar microtechnologies. Both programs would have created a full-employment economy and benefited the environment. Perhaps most threatening of all to insurance companies (heavy contributors to candidates), he proposed single-payer, not-for-profit, universal health coverage. What's so crazy about that? Why would such a candidate have to fight to be included in presidential debates?

Lesley Woodward

Cleveland Heights


Five's A Crowd
There Are Four Contenders For Dennis Kucinich’s Congressional Seat. Do Any Of Them Stand A Chance? Do Any Of Them Deserve It?
By Anastasia Pantsios

http://www.freetimes.com/stories/15/39/fives-a-crowd

...But he'd made his way back on Jan. 9, when more than 150 supporters gathered at Laborers Hall on Prospect and E. 32nd to help him officially kick off his latest congressional campaign. Waving their yellow "Dennis!" signs, they cheered him and his lanky red-headed wife Elizabeth on stage where he was joined by more than 40 union representatives and fellow politicians, including State Sen. Dale Miller and Cleveland City Councilman Jay Westbrook. Kucinich brought down the house when he connected the cost of the Iraq war to the fortunes of the 10th District, citing the district's share of the cost and what could have been done with the money to pay for education or health care, and reminding listeners how powerful he could be and how well he connects with the blue-collar denizens of his district and their everyday concerns. Planted stage left, Cuyahoga County Democratic Party chair Jimmy Dimora nodded his head, a clear show of party support for the incumbent...

It's possible that Cimperman's attack ads and the PD's attack editorial could backfire. Kucinich supporters are notoriously passionate and seem energized by the idea that everyone's against them. The PD claimed it did not "come to this conclusion lightly" that Kucinich should be replaced, but its consistent opposition to Kucinich (it endorsed Ferris in 2006) has made it an enemy with the congressman's supporters. Enemies, as Bush's constant evocation of "the terr'ists" shows, can make good rallying points...

Evan Coaker, a North Olmsted resident, says much the same thing. "Dennis has done a good job for the district. Those Cimperman commercials are all negative. Why should I vote for him? He doesn't say."

It's that sort of support, whether from party insiders like Miller and Dimora, activists like LaRosa and Evans, or just engaged voters like Coaker, that primary victories, which attract the most motivated voters, hinge on. Kucinich has it. Palmer's been building such a grassroots campaign for seven months, and Ferris and O'Grady have support based on their previous work in the district. Cimperman, who didn't return calls for comment, has his attack ads, his war chest of unknown provenance and the adoration of the Plain Dealer. Only one will be left standing when the dust settles on the March 4 primary.

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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:49 AM
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42. please start your own thread with this
good stuff, start another thread this one is probably disappeared for most people.
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 05:04 PM
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49. alrightee
oops kicked back to page 1
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:37 PM
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47. ttt
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:30 PM
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53. Kick for a true Progressive!
My "presidential candidate" money is going to Dennis for his re-election to the House.
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:31 AM
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54. kick
Giants will win by a kick today
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:07 PM
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62. 3 points
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 10:07 PM by Algorem
that is
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I work for workers Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 01:15 PM
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55. Kucinich played the same game Ron Paul is:
Run for President, raise easy cash from idealists, and not worry about money for the next few elections. At least Paul has the courtesy to stick around until the end. Now he needs more?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:35 PM
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59. Please post some evidence of this accusation for those of us
who don't know Dennis as well as you do. Thanks.
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I work for workers Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 05:39 PM
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60. Consider the difficulty of raising cash for your presidential bid
vs raising cash for your obscure Congressional seat. Elections are as much about logistics as they are about issues, and running for the President as a fringe candidate is a great way to raise needed campaign cash.

I'm not criticizing him for running. I'm criticizing him dropping out, dropping his impeachment bill, and still asking for more cash. In the hierarchy of important races, the Presidency beats out a well funded and secure Congressional seat in my book. If we are going to give, let's give to someone who is going to have a greater need of the cash. We will probably know who that is by next Tuesday.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:26 PM
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63. I'm happy to help clean up the debts from the presidential run
and to donate to the congressional one. The corporatists have Clinton and Obama covered already.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:26 PM
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56. Thanks for this reminder, fenriswolf.
Dennis has his hands full with all the BS politics there in Cleveland.

We need his voice!!!!!!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:32 PM
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57. Kick
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