its true, our military is now a religious christian military

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_3241.shtml


US military coordinated Day of Prayer events with Christian right group


At least a half-dozen active-duty military officials have been working closely with a task force headed by the far-right fundamentalist Christians planning religious events at military installations around the country to commemorate today’s National Day of Prayer.

In working directly with the National Day of Prayer (NDP) Task Force and agreeing to work as event coordinators, these military officials not only violated constitutional provisions governing the separation of church and state but they also signed an oath that states they “believe that the Holy Bible is the inerrant Word of The Living God” and that “Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the only One by which I can obtain salvation and have an ongoing relationship with God,” according to materials posted on NDP Task Force’s website.

Furthermore, the declaration signed by the military officials says that they promise to “ensure a strong, consistent Christian message throughout the nation” and that National Day of Prayer events scheduled to take place at their military installations “will be conducted solely by Christians.”

Lisa Crump, manager of the NDP Task Force’s local coordinators, said that volunteers who are interested in becoming event coordinators, including members of the military, must complete "a simple application with contact data and statement of faith, confirming your commitment to Christ is all that's needed to get you on the way to becoming a Task Force volunteer coordinator."

Mikey Weinstein, the president and founder of the government watchdog group the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) blasted the military’s participation with the task force, saying it endorses a discriminatory policy.
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religiously insane men are dangerous

the united states, slowly crumbling into insanity. (or not so slowly)

You mean it is NOT??

:wow:

He and all his peace talk!
Reconciliation - bah!
Give away your possessions - bah!
Share things in common - bah!
Feeding the hungry, housing the homeless - bah!
Turn the other cheek - bah!

:sarcasm:

The fundamentalists took the National Day of Prayer over ages ago. I believe that Shirley Dobson, wife of Dr. James Dobson of Focus on the Family was chairperson for a very long time, and maybe she still is, and would not let non-Christians get involved. They weren't even thrilled with the participation of mainstream, non-fundy Christian churches. Many of the fundy Christians believe that they are not allowed to pray with non-Christians and doing so will cause all sorts of problems for them by undermining their faith or that the prayer prayed with a non-Christian (and that includes Catholics and main-stream Protestant churches along with Buddhists, Moslems, Wiccans, etc.) are not heard by their god and their god will punish them for praying with non-Christians. Why we need a National Day of Prayer anyway is simply beyond me.

:spray:

I feel like Cassandra more every day. I told people this was gonna happen, and I got laughed at and told I didn't know what I was talking about.

I should just learn to keep my mouth shut and grab my bucket of :popcorn:

you, I and a few others, have been saying this was coming...

Pass some of that :popcorn:

the sad part is that people think this is a transformation. The powers that be are simply letting us know how it really is, now that they are reasonably assured that we won't strike or revolt.

it will come, once there is enough pain.

The elites NEVER learn

And it will not be limited to the US either.

We are even seeing some flare ups already, among teamsters and truckers

What I have to wonder is... will it be enough in the US of A?

I've been studying some of the dirty secrets of the elite(not their super secret stuff- that's hard to find), and it seems they have a new plan- kill us off by starvation and disease. They feel they don't need us now that they have ways of mass production that require few workers.

This time, they may have figured out how to win for good. On the other hand, someone deep inside the non-existant soul of America lurkers the rage of being used and thrown away with the garbage. We may see that soon.

As it began crumbling under bad emperors, food shortages, a depressed economy and massive unemployment, the people turned towards any and all outlets for their hopelessness. On the whole, the masses became very socially and politically conservative, yearning for a mythical "Golden Age" of prosperity and plenty. The perceived decadence of the priviledged classes was condemned by populist orators, and firey speech frequently led to riots. Religious views became conservative, with the people rejecting "foreign" cults in favor of ancient Roman religious practices. The few exceptions favored religions that directly addressed the pessimism of the times, which is what allowed Christianity eventually to supplant traditional beliefs and practices.

Does any of this sound familiar?

and it will meet its fate.

(or that of the USSR)

And it will come suddenly, and for most without warning

Those of us who have been paying attention will not be too shocked when it finally takes its final bow and leaves, stage left from history

they also eventually eschewed a proper, well-organized military which was once the fear of the world for legions of mercenaries, who actually joined the goths instead of fighting them during rome's downfall...the government became petty and ineffective, and of course, don't forget the environmental factors as well (lead poisoning in the pipes -- which of course, they didn't really know about at the time)

the similarities are endless...

a military coup that installed the Dominionist-like religious whackos??

Watch out for these people. They practically use that book as their playbook. Just like the FLDS folks.

She really laid it all out - and did so twenty years before the handwriting even began to appear on the wall.

She also is one amazing writer.

Heinlein had the US overcome by a fundie coup in 2012, in a story called "If This Goes On", first serialized in 1940.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22If_This_Goes_On%E2%80%94%22

"If This Goes On—" is a science fiction short novel by Robert A. Heinlein, first serialized in 1940 in Astounding Science-Fiction and revised and expanded for inclusion in the 1953 collection Revolt in 2100. One of his Future History series, it recounts a future theocratic American society, ruled by the latest in a series of “Prophets.” The First Prophet was Nehemiah Scudder, a backwoods preacher turned President (elected in 2012), then dictator (no elections were held in 2016 or later).


And William Rotsler wrote "To the Land of the Electric Angel" in 1976, another tale of fundie takeover in the US.

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/r/william-rotsler/to-land-of-electric-angel.htm

nt

and the cross it rode in on. YOU have become the enemy of America.

Death to the wogs!

this is sickening. it's like the slide is unstoppable

The NDP is supposed to be (and was created as) completely interfaith and non-exclusive. It is supposed to be a day for people of all faiths to gather together in harmony and peace. That the right has found a way to discriminate and exclude other religions or beliefs is appalling. Fucking christians....

Remember that one?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200303/s819685.htm


US soldiers in Iraq asked to pray for Bush

They may be the ones facing danger on the battlefield, but US soldiers in Iraq are being asked to pray for President George W Bush.

Thousands of marines have been given a pamphlet called "A Christian's Duty," a mini prayer book which includes a tear-out section to be mailed to the White House pledging the soldier who sends it in has been praying for Bush.

"I have committed to pray for you, your family, your staff and our troops during this time of uncertainty and tumult. May God's peace be your guide," says the pledge, according to a journalist embedded with coalition forces.

They use the religion and patriotism as a unifier and a smoke screen for their atrocities.


What really upsets me is that they give people of faith a bad name. I LIKE my church and its people and the love I receive from them, because they are of a like-mind & heart. I'm sure some of the older folks are conservatives, though most of my church is very liberal, even about gay marriage and pagan beliefs. But that doesn't stop them from helping the hungry and caring for one another.

It is hard sometimes to engage in any discussion here at DU about Christianity because of the anger and bitterness towards the christian faith that is demonstrated by posters. I had a hard time reconciling that the peo
ple who believed in christ and trying to live up to that behavior & belief in LOVE, could also be responsible for things like the inquisition and the crusades and our current wars on muslims and gays and people of race...

BUT I found that the reconciliation had to come from my own relationship to Spirit and how that made me a beter person.

So please, be easy on the "fucking christian" comments, because some of us are just trying to love one another, here!

Prayer didn't help.

I hope NOT during my lifetime


"Furthermore, the declaration signed by the military officials says that they promise to “ensure a strong, consistent Christian message throughout the nation”"

Anger is now the grounds for the new McCarthyism.

If you are angry - you are unChristian and if you are unChristian, you are unpatriotic.

Be quiet and accepting and parrot whatever yr Sunday preachers happen to tell you.

Unless like Wright they are a bit to the left of the mainstream. Then you are suspect.

What seperation of church and state?

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/33147

Same article on After Downing Street:

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In order for a military flyover to take place, a form must be filled out and filed with the Pentagon describing the event and, after a review; the proposal is either approved or denied by Pentagon public affairs. The flyovers scheduled for The National Day of Prayer do not appear on the military's list of eligible flyover events, raising questions about whether the usual application process was completed and approved by the Pentagon.

Additionally, Marine color guards are scheduled to appear at the National Day of Prayer celebration in Bakersfield, Calif., and the Concert of Prayer in Wheeling, West Virginia. The Niagara Falls Air Reserve Base Honor Guard is slated to appear at the "Call To The Wall" in Wheatfield, New York. The National Day of Prayer Noon Rally at the Phoenix, City Hall features the Luke Air Force Base Honor Guard, and the Fort Huachuca Select Honor Guard will appear at a service in Patagonia, Arizona.

Becky Armstrong, a spokeswoman for the National Day of Prayer task force, dismissed charges that the task force was discriminating against non-Christians.

"All Americans are free to exercise their First Amendment rights to organize events that observe the National Day of Prayer in a manner that reflects their religious perspective,” Armstrong said.

"All Americans are free to exercise their First Amendment rights to organize events that observe the National Day of Prayer in a manner that reflects their religious perspective (provided that their religious perspective is Christian, specifically the flavor of Christian promoted at all costs by the Talibangelicals who have taken over the United States Armed Forces.)"

See Wikipedia: Hobson's Choice.

No thanks.

This fundy bullshit needs to end.

It starts creeping into everything. Especially since our volunteer force is so strapped for troops thanks to BushCo.