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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:17 PM
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How Would You Make a Murder Look Like a Suicide? (D.C. Madame)
Edited on Fri May-02-08 01:18 PM by LoZoccolo
When I learned that Deborah Jeane Palfrey, the infamous D.C. Madam, was found hanging in a shed, my first thought was: Could she have been murdered?

There is so much room for speculation!

Palfrey would not have been sentenced till July and her mother said that she did not seem suicidal, so this seems like a strange time to off herself. But that is beside the point. What I want to know is: How can you make every minute detail of a murder scene look like the site of a suicide?


http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/05/how-would-you-m.html

The article doesn't really put forth any theory about how it may have been a murder and instead just asks people to speculate in the comments, but it's interesting that this is coming from a somewhat mainstream web site.
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tsdraegeth Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:22 PM
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1. Why would they even care much about setting the scene?
The only people they have to "fool" are the already complicit M$M, which will report whatever they are told to. The rest of us know the truth, but are lulled just enough by the aura of seeming normalcy that the media presents that we remain stagnant.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:26 PM
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2. not "blaming" the madam, but when you play with 'these people' you know what you are dealing with
even she had commented that she would never kill herself and if she was killed it would mean that she had been "suicided".

It's like when people get surprised when they get doublecrossed by the mob. "Duh", it's the mob, you were expecting the Better Business Bureau???
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:28 PM
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3. some copper said she left several notes.
SEVERAL NOTES?
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:47 PM
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12.  two notes scattered around, and a third found in a book (how original!)
the story I heard, so far.

What struck me as curious was that mother and daughter had both had woken up and had breakfast and then felt sleepy and wanted to take a nap.

Could somebody have entered the mobile home and slipped knock-out drops in their orange juice and coffee?
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:29 PM
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4. as I've said before, WHO BENEFITS? if those who benefit are POWERFUL enough or RICH enough
to make it happen, are there any barriers that will stop them?

does anyone believe that the clients involved, in DC do NOT have access to people who could pull this off?
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:39 PM
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5. What's Interesting If She Was A White Missing Wife Or A College Student.......
the MSM would be all over the story like a cheap suit. They don't seem to be too eager to talk about this suicide do they? I wonder why?

You know it is getting scarier and scarier to live in this country.
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:45 PM
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6. I find it hard to believe...
a daughter would complete suicide in a way that left her mother with such a horrible scene in which to find her. Hanging in and of itself is rare with women.
But if she did do this, you can be damn sure she left a detailed list of people, places and things.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:53 PM
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7. MY other question is: why the shed? here's my theory:
we know she knew more than she told in trial, and we knew she kept secret records because she tried to trade them for defraying costs of her legal representation.

so lets consider this possibility:

1. the agent(s) who facilitated her death could not do so until they were SURE they had ALSO collected every possible copy of the records.
2. a logical hiding place for said records could have been someplace relatively innocent so as not to raise suspicion, yet close enough at hand so that palfrey could put her hands on it if needed.
3. A shed could hide things, like a book, almost in plain sight.
4. A person could be coerced, drugged or killed in same place they found the LAST copy of the secret book. It would be inconvenient to move them. A suicide in the shed would provide a cover and no one would miss a missing SECRET book.


I can conceive of this scenario, which does not prove it, but if you think about it, does make a lot more sense than that a free woman would hang herself in her mother's shed, when she could have availed herself of better methods and locations easily enough.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:56 PM
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8. I believe I heard Pete Williams of NBC say this morning
that Palfrey told a friend she would rather die than go back to prison.

We have threads floating around here that say the opposite, that she would never commit suicide, but that was never mentioned.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:32 PM
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10. When you listen to the radio broadcast where she says she...
wouldn't commit suicide and that she believed she would have a suicide waiting for her if she didn't end up in prison, she sounds pissed and talks about wanting to make the government answer some questions in court. I don't think someone that was pissed about how they came after her, would just kill them self without putting out the names or maybe sell them so her mother could move out of the trailer into a house considering she was going to make her mother find her there and deal with that?

I think most people that are informed and know about some of the crazy things that have happened in our country's history, no what happened.
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Q3JR4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:57 PM
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9. I tell you what I would do....
I would have put the names of all the men I'd had dealings with on an encrypted disk and handed it out (with different passwords) to four or five different people with instructions on what to do with the information after I died.

Then again I'm a paranoid bastard, so none of this should be a surprise to anyone.

(DISCLAIMER: My participating in this conversation does not mean that I agree with the contention that her death was not as reported).
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Raejeanowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:40 PM
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11. Give Me A Break
Why don'tch'all just call CSI and they'll solve the case in less than an hour? Too much time on everyone's hands to spin this stuff.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:18 PM
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13. Barney Fife probably declared
it was suicide...and then went to the bank to make a deposit.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:26 PM
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14.  Neurotoxin. Victim stops breathing and falls like a rag. String her up...
and the coroner rules "Suicide: Death by Asphyxiation".

No gunshots. No screams. No bruises.

Brandy Britton also "hanged herself".
http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0207/0601_brandy_britton.html

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:27 PM
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15. If the investigating organization is easy to itimidate, no need to
just tell them it was a suicide and arrange a few details.

Real world is not CSI. Not everything gets a real, fair investigation. ;)
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