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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:37 PM
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FLDS -- Summaries from TX CPS/DFPS
Edited on Sun May-04-08 09:03 PM by uppityperson
Link to page with many other links to other pages of info and news briefs http://www.dfps.state.tx.us/About/News/


4/30/08 (Senate Committee update) http://www.dfps.state.tx.us/About/News/2008/2008-04-30_Eldorado_Senate.asp
DFPS Provides Senate Committee With Eldorado Update

The Department of Family and Protective Services provided the Senate Health and Human Services Committee with an update Wednesday, April 30, 2008 on the children removed from an Eldorado ranch. The update included information about some of the key challenges for investigators, the findings to date, and the care of the children.
Challenge in determining family relationships

One of the many challenges that makes these cases unique is that we don’t have any degree of certainty about the identities of the parents of children in our care.

* The women who left the ranch with the children have given multiple names and ages for themselves and the children. In addition, information provided by the women about which children were theirs and other family relationships changed frequently.
* The stories about family relationships continued to change as we loaded buses to move children around the state. We placed the children according to the latest information the women had provided about sibling groups and mother-child relationships. As the buses were loaded, there were instances where women came forward with different information. In one case, a minor who previously had said she didn’t have children begged not to be separated from her baby. We were able to place the girl with her child.
* Cultural issues have made it difficult for children to provide information about their biological parents. The women share parenting duties. They care for, console, discipline and breast feed each other’s children. When we ask a child who his mother is, he will tell us several names because the children think of all the women in a house as their mothers and all the children are considered their siblings
* Based on interviews with the children, we have reason to believe that some of the children in our care do not have parents at the Eldorado ranch.
* Court-ordered DNA tests will be used to determine the family relationships.

Challenge in getting information

These children have been taught to fear those outside their community, and that complicates the investigation and interview process.

* In both San Angelo shelters, we tried to use bracelets to identify children, but the women and children removed the bracelets or rubbed the wording off them.
* Women initially refused to let the children undergo basic health screenings, and many teen girls declined to take pregnancy tests.
* When children tried to talk, women and older children often told them not to speak or coached them on what to say.

Cause for concern

The very first interviews with underage girls at the ranch revealed a pattern of underage girls being “spiritually united” with adult men and having children with the men. Investigators also observed a pattern of deception in those first interviews. Women and children frequently said they could not answer questions about the ages of girls or family relationships. Children were moved from location to location in an apparent attempt to prevent investigators from talking to them. Investigators observed numerous girls who had small children, and girls told us that marriages could occur at any age. When an investigator asked one girl how old she was, she looked at her husband. “You’re 18,” he said. She then answered that she was 18. Other school-aged children and teens would provide only first names and said they didn’t know their birthdates or had been told by their parents not to answer questions.

The investigation is still in its early phases, but we have gathered additional information that is cause for concern:

* There are 27 girls who have indicated that they are 14 to 17 years old. There are an additional 26 girls who have provided conflicting information about their ages, at some points indicating they are minors and at other times saying they are adults. Of these 53 girls, more than 30 have children, are pregnant, or both. Six of these girls have two children, and two have three children.
* Medical exams and reports by the children indicate that at least 41 children have had broken bones in the past. We do not have X-rays or complete medical information on many children so it is too early to draw any conclusions based on this information, but it is cause for concern and something we’ll continue to examine.
* Based on interviews with the children and journal entries found at the ranch, we are continuing to look into the possible sexual abuse of some young boys.

Care of the children

DFPS has moved all of the children into licensed residential foster care.

Minor mothers and their children are being kept together, and other girls are staying in groups with their sisters. We have provided caregivers with information about the lifestyles of the children, including their dietary needs and the clothing they wear.

Adult women have been allowed to stay with children who are 12 months old or younger. We found placements for 17 mothers and their infant children. All other adult women who left the ranch with the children were given the option of returning to the ranch or going to a women’s shelter.

Boys ages 8 and older are being kept together. Two boys have turned 18 while in the state’s custody and have chosen to remain in the state’s care.


4/28/08 http://www.dfps.state.tx.us/About/News/2008/2008-04-28_news.asp
News Brief: Monday, April 28, 2008

The final census of FLDS children shows 463 minors were temporarily placed in foster care last week, with the exception of 6 children who are hospitalized. Since the removal 3 other children were treated at hospitals and released. Every child has been provided whatever medical treatment they require.

No child has ever been missing. Every FLDS child removed from the Yearning for Zion ranch due to the pattern of sexual, physical and emotional abuse detected there is accounted for. Every child has a photo ID.

A caseworker has been assigned for each child. These caseworkers will only work on FLDS cases and have no more than 15 children. Over the next few days each court appointed ad-litem attorney, for which DFPS has accurate contact information, will be contacted. New ad litems or those not on DFPS’s list may call a toll free number and leave that information so DFPS can contact them.

Of the 463 children, 250 are female and 213 are male.

31 of the 53 girls between the ages of 14 and 17 already have children or are pregnant. This group includes many girls who previously claimed to be adults.

The number of girls versus boys is very close until the children reach the age of 14. Between 14 and 17 there are 3 girls for every teenage boy (53 girls and 17 boys). Two of the 17 teenage boys turned 18 while in state care and have signed agreements indicating they wish to stay with the children for now.





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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:45 PM
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1. K & R and thank you for the update.
What a gargantuan job.

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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:47 PM
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2. It is a complicated situation. I am glad to have found this page, will be checking daily.
Better to get it directly from CPS/DFPS rather than funneling through media and letting them give their interpretations for varied people to post in different manners and bits.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:28 PM
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3. K&R
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:15 PM
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5. !
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:33 PM
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4. Such a sad situation.
I would take any one of those children, even a young mother and her child in to my home in a heartbeat. :(
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:47 PM
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6. If you are a Texas resident and are interested in volunteering within your own community...
(it is sad, what a mess)
Nevertheless, DFPS is always in need of volunteers to support everyday programs and staff. If you are a Texas resident and are interested in volunteering within your own community, please visit our volunteer web site.

http://www.dfps.state.tx.us/volunteer/default.asp

What if I want to be a foster/adoptive parent and I do not live in Texas?
If you are interested in a Texas child waiting for foster placement or adoption, and not currently licensed, we encourage you to get approved to foster/adopt within your state first. Please visit the web site for links to information regarding your state.

If you are a licensed foster parent living in another state and would like to have a Texas child placed with you, please contact the child placing agency with whom you are licensed.

We greatly appreciate all of the foster support from across the states, but are not currently seeking out-of-state foster placements for the children removed in Eldorado. Should foster placement outside of Texas become necessary, the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services will contact child placing agencies in other states.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:52 PM
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7. Between 14 and 17 there are 3 girls for every teenage boy
:(
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:01 PM
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8. Six of these girls have two children, and two have three children.
Edited on Sun May-04-08 11:02 PM by uppityperson
There are 27 girls who have indicated that they are 14 to 17 years old. There are an additional 26 girls who have provided conflicting information about their ages, at some points indicating they are minors and at other times saying they are adults. Of these 53 girls, more than 30 have children, are pregnant, or both. Six of these girls have two children, and two have three children.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:21 AM
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9. Dear God, where are those missing boys? It makes my blood run cold. nt
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:59 PM
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13. This compound has only been around for a few (four) years
The older children were brought in from other FLDS compounds. I'm assuming they brought in extra girls to be sure to have enough of breeding age for the adult men to choose from. :(

The missing boys fates are still a mystery however. They may have even been turned out in other communities near where the girls were originally stationed.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:54 AM
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10. Dental X-rays as id
Last summer, I had to consult with a specialist about a tooth. The doctor had a side specialty in taking x-rays, putting them on computer chips, and putting the chips in little things that could be worn as a necklace, for identification purposes. It would be perfect in this case-the kids of course may switch their necklaces, but it would also be easy to verify by x-raying them, if necessary, and matching against the initial database. It's less invasive to use as a long-term resolution than the DNA testing (that needs to be done initially).
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:15 PM
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11. I bet there would be concerns over x-raying when they switched tags.
If you have to x-ray every time to figure out who is who.

The DNA testing was to determine genetic relationships, not to be able to ID them each time.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:44 PM
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12. Plain old-fashioned fingerprinting would work well, be non-invasive, fast and cheap. nt
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:06 PM
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14. That is a simple solution for IDing them. nt
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