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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:28 PM
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"Oprah makes Jay Leno look like Walter Cronkite"
Edited on Tue May-06-08 12:49 PM by onehandle
Ha ha!

Just heard description this on Public radio.

They were talking about her journalism skills.

On edit:

It was in the context of her interviewing style.

Interviews are Journalism. The questions frame the interview.

I believe that Oprah is yet another billion dollar engine that is dumbing down America.

On edit 2: Oprah is Not a Journalist.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:30 PM
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1. Does she claim to be a journalist?
Unless she does, the level of her journalism skills is irrelevant.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:32 PM
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3. Thread closed
Post one sums it up and puts it away.

What a pointless comparison. Maybe they can go after Rachael Ray for being a poor statistician.
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DadOf2LittleAngels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:32 PM
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6. LOL
"Maybe they can go after Rachael Ray for being a poor statistician."

LOL!
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:36 PM
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10. I have actually read that criticism made before
Apparently, many of Rachael Ray's 30-minute meals take somewhat longer than 30 minutes to make!

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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:37 PM
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12. but how many? 3 out of 5? 2 out of 3?
:D
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:32 PM
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4. She started out as television news reporter in Chicago...
...not that that's really journalism, though.
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DadOf2LittleAngels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:33 PM
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8. Its also something she did not make a career out of...
Nor is it something she has done for more than two decades..
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:36 PM
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11. Has nothing to do with her talk show now...
she's purely there for entertainment.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:32 PM
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5. It was in the context of her interviewing style.
Interviews are Journalism.

I believe that Oprah is yet another billion dollar engine that is dumbing down America.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:37 PM
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13. Interviews are Journalism
Someone get Ali G. on the phone.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:39 PM
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17. lol...
:thumbsup:
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DadOf2LittleAngels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:38 PM
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15. Im sorry interviews are *not* Journalism

jour·nal·ism < júrn'l ìzzəm > "reporting news for media: the profession of gathering, editing, and publishing news reports and related articles for newspapers, magazines, television, or radio"

Interviews are formal one on one meetings they *can* be in the name of journalism or entertainment, or professional vetting, .... Sorry Tom cruise and Katie Holmes getting married *not* journalism..
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:40 PM
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21. THAT'S THEIR POINT!
Her whole Act and and interviewing skills are not Journalism.

Unlike Walter Cronkite's.

jesus...
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:43 PM
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24. you are the one that just said...
interviews are journalism... make up your mind.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:47 PM
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28. Interviews are journalism.
Google it.

She is Not a journalist.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:52 PM
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29. are job interviews journalism?
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DadOf2LittleAngels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:58 PM
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32. Nor does she shy she is one..
Im not a lion tamer so when someone comes out and says hes no Clyde Beatty Ill not take it too personally

Now onto what is interviewing:

Are you familiar with set theory because it will make explaining this way easier:

The Cartesian product of Interviewing and Journalism do, in fact, intersect but each also has points that are orthogonal to the other. IN other words *some* interviewing is journalism and *some* journalism is not..
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:38 PM
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16. ....
this what FAUX News has wrought. People who can't tell journalism from entertainment.
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:42 PM
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23. Interesting criticism, but off-base.
Oprah and her organization have stimulated countless book groups and thoughtful discussions of books that have been written across a variety of genres. The entire publishing industry is grateful that Oprah resuscitated a national interest in READING. Thanks to her efforts, many people have been exposed to ideas and excellent writing that they otherwise would have never encountered.

Not so dumb, in my book. I don't watch television, btw, and the last time I saw her show, I didn't find it interesting. Her accomplishments, however, are admirable.

You want to talk about billion-dollar engines dumbing down America, then you'd best be talking about reality television, the phenomenons of public shame and spectacle as entertainment, and the countless hours of programming that exist solely to get you to the store and spend your money on unneeded product (I'm talking HGTV and its ilk - "Let's redecorate, again!").
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:33 PM
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7. Really!
who would view her show as journalism? :crazy:

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DadOf2LittleAngels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:31 PM
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2. Lord knows I dont blindly follow O...
Edited on Tue May-06-08 12:32 PM by DadOf2LittleAngels
But when has she ever purported to be a journalist? And as such why should it matter?
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:34 PM
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9. It's entertainment, not journalism...
Edited on Tue May-06-08 12:35 PM by ingac70
I guess you think Leno and Letterman are journalists too? :freak:
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:37 PM
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14. I didn't say it was. But Interviewing skills are Journalism.
Journalists find out things by asking people questions.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:39 PM
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18. She IS NOT, nor claims to be, a journalist. n/t
Edited on Tue May-06-08 12:40 PM by ingac70
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DadOf2LittleAngels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:40 PM
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19. Umm
My former manager was one of the best interviewers I have ever heard or seen, he works in IT but he does one hell of an interview..

Potential employees, contractors, vendors, business partner management... The guy is amazing... Is he a journalist?
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:40 PM
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20. What's the point of this?
If you want to poke fun at Oprah, why use a strawman argument to do it?

The entire thing hinges on your unsupportable contention that "interviews are journalism".

Some journalists use interviews. That does not equate to all interviews are journalism. When whatshername talks to someone on the red carpet going into the Oscars, is that journalism? When O'Reily has a guest on Faux News and harangues him, is he a journalist?

Talk about dumbing down America.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:42 PM
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22. That's the point. Most people think she's a journalist.
She's not. She's a richer Jerry Springer.

That's the point of their joke.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:44 PM
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26. No one with two brain cells to rub together...
thinks she is a journalist, and she does not claim to be one.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:44 PM
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25. I've asked the mods to lock this thread.
Edited on Tue May-06-08 12:45 PM by onehandle
Point: Oprah is Not a journalist.

Most people think she is.

I'm done.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:45 PM
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27. Who is "most people"?
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:54 PM
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30. I very seriously doubt most people see Oprah is a journalist
Some of you need to just lay off Oprah bashing.
If you don't like her don't watch. What harm has
she done anyone?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:57 PM
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31. Silly jerks, comparing two apples to an orange
That either one of them should be compared to Cronkite in any way other than all three were on television is just more proof of how low NPR has sunk.

Of course, neither is a Lenny Bruce or David Susskind, either.
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:43 PM
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33. She's a talk-show hostess.
She should be compared with Ellen, not Cronkite. Personally, I can't stand her, and why she has become so rich and influential is beyond me. But she does do a lot of good, so I don't care.

Here's my Oprah story. A friend of mine is THE national air-space expert, working for BLM and the Forest Service. When Oprah was filming "Beloved," she actually called-up my friend and expected her to stop all flights over her film set because of the noise. When my friend explained that they were smokejumpers fighting a major fire, there was a pause, and then Oprah repeated what she had just said, as if the fact that she was OPRAH hadn't penetrated, and that was the problem. LOL! Needless to say, she did not manage to shut down the flights.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:57 PM
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34. People are jealous of the richest, self-made woman in american history
I'm not a huge fan of Oprah's show, and I don't worship at her altar, but she is a smart woman who has made herself a fortune. I respect that.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 03:22 PM
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35. And Martha Stewart makes Bo Pilgrim look like George Washington Carver
They all three deal with food, but they are completely different in their approach.

Oprah Winfrey, Jay Leno, and Walter Cronkite are three completely different things. They have very different types of shows. What they have in common--they are on television and they interview people.

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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 03:25 PM
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36. She has gotten people to read
lots of books with her Club. I'm not a fan of hers...I wish she were more down to earth and got into 'living simply.' She's so money-oriented.
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