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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:51 PM
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Things that don't exist in Harry Reid's world
Another spot-on piece by Glenn Greenwald:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/

Harry Reid was on The Daily Show last night (to promote his book, ironically entitled The Good Fight) and said that Joe Lieberman "supports us on virtually everything except the war." This is exactly what Reid has said repeatedly about Lieberman ("Joe Lieberman is my friend, and he is a good Democrat, votes with us on everything, except the war. So Joe Lieberman is easy to work with")...

-snip

Leave aside the insulting absurdity of talking about "the war" as though it's just one garden-variety political issue out of many. And also leave aside that Lieberman happens also not to be "voting with the Democrats" on the small matter of the presidential election. Beyond that, this claim that Lieberman votes with Democrats "on everything but the war" -- made repeatedly by Reid -- is a total falsehood, but nonetheless quite revealing about how the Senate Democratic leadership thinks.

Here are some non-war votes from Lieberman since the Democrats took over Congress in 2006:

Bill to ban the CIA from using waterboarding:

Democrats -- 45-1

Republicans - 5-46

Lieberman- NAY

Cloture vote on bill to restore habeas corpus (which Lieberman voted to abolish in 2006):

Democrats - 50-0

Republicans - 5-42

Lieberman - NAY

Vote to strip retroactive amnesty for telecoms out of the FISA bill (h/t Matt Browner-Hamlin):

Democrats -- 31-16

Republicans - 0-48

Lieberman - NAY

Vote to specify that FISA is the "exclusive means" by which the President can spy on telephone and email communications:

Democrats -- 49-1

Republicans - 9-40

Lieberman - NAY

Confirmation of Michael Mukasey as Attorney General:

Democrats -- 6-40

Republicans - 47-0

Lieberman - YEA

Cloture vote to proceed to consideration of No-Confidence Resolution for Alberto Gonzales as Attorney General:

Democrats -- 47-0

Republicans - 6-37

Lieberman - NAY

Obviously, Reid's repeated claim that Lieberman "votes with us on everything, except the war" is demonstrably false. But when he repeatedly makes that claim, I don't think Reid is consciously lying. It's just that, in Harry Reid's world (and in the world of the Democratic leadership generally), things like warrantless eavesdropping, the abolition of habeas corpus, telecom amnesty, the corrupt politicization of the Justice Department, chronic lying under oath, and the legalization of torture just don't exist. They don't matter. They're non-issues. And that is precisely why those radical, destructive measures are continuously permitted -- approved and endorsed -- by the Reid-led, Democratic-controlled Senate.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/


More great points by Glenn in the updates at the link.

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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:54 PM
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1. Neither Harry nor Joe are 'good Democrats' to MY satisfaction.
Time for all DINOs to go; Lieberhole can just go to hell....
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:28 PM
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7. Do you really beleive that the Democrats in the Senate would keep Reid as thier leader if they
did not think that he was a 'good Democrat?'
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:32 PM
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9. I don't think anyone doubts that "the Democrats in the Senate"
think Reid is a good Democrat (or enough of them anyway). It's only we Democrats who care about things like warrantless eavesdropping, the abolition of habeas corpus, telecom amnesty, the corrupt politicization of the Justice Department, chronic lying under oath, and the legalization of torture who question whether he's a good Democrat. Different Dems with different priorities. Go figure.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:46 PM
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10. Who elected the Democrats in the Senate?
:shrug:
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:48 PM
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11. Soooo... the fact that they were elected
makes them automatically "good" in your opinion? Who elected the Republicans in the Senate? :shrug:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:57 PM
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13. They are representative of the parties which nominated them
'Good Democrat' and Good Republican' simply implies that they are representative of their respective parties.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 03:14 PM
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19. But not necessarily representative on all issues.
For example, polls consistently show that a majority of Democrats favor the abolition of for-profit health insurance, yet few Senate Democrats share that view. Other examples of disconnect abound, especially in the areas of civil liberties and consumer protection. The fact that a Democratic Senator was nominated and elected by Democrats doesn't automatically make everything they do "representative" of the rank and file. "Good Democrat" is a subjective judgment and we are all entitled to apply it as we wish.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 04:18 PM
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26. Did you elect Reid or Lieberman?
I am sure there are some Democrats that are true to there calling but there are also many that have sold out..
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:58 PM
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14. Well-put.
:thumbsup:
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 03:00 PM
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15. Amen.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:02 PM
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2. What Harry meant to say...
is that Joe still caucuses with the Democrats. Which allows Harry to be Senate Majority Leader and to have Democrats as committee chairpeople.

So, until we have a solid DEMOCRATIC majority, he has to suck it up and be Joe's butt buddy.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 03:11 PM
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17. Yeah, pretty much.
People complain about Lieberman, but they seem to keep forgetting that if he REALLY wanted to knife us, all he'd have to do is caucus with the Republicans, and we lose control of the Senate. Period.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 03:43 PM
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20. True, but he could only do it once!
He could hurt us right now if he switched parties, but after that the spotlight would move on and Joe wouldn't get any attention.

So he has something to gain by not switching (officially, that is).
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 04:01 PM
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24. True, but remember that his career is basically over with the Dems.
He has to know that we're likely to get a Lieberman-proof majority in the Senate this fall, and after that he's not likely to get much respect for being the Dem who continually backstabbed us. So unless he's loony enough to think that McCain will actually choose him for the VP slot, he's got to be demonstrating some kind of loyalty, rather than switching sides in exchange for what the Republicans could offer him if he did--a committee chairmanship or whatever.
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:04 PM
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3. I watched the show and took it to be a real snipe at Lieberman
he didn't mention anyone else except Lieberman as being pro-war.

Actually imo Reid came off very sympathetic.

Who is Greenwald dude?
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:11 PM
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4. Greenwald dude
is one of the most articulate and concise commentators on the ongoing battle to maintain our civil liberties. He spares no criticism for either Party in his analysis of the corrupt machinations of our Congresscritters and their complicity in our Constitutional decline. He's a national treasure IMHO.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/profile/index.html

Glenn Greenwald

Glenn Greenwald was a constitutional lawyer in New York City, first at the Manhattan firm Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz, and then at the litigation firm he founded, Greenwald, Christoph. Greenwald litigated numerous high-profile and significant constitutional cases in federal and state courts around the country, including multiple First Amendment challenges. He has a J.D. from New York University School of Law (1994) and a B.A. from George Washington University (1990).

In October of 2005, Greenwald started a political and legal blog, Unclaimed Territory, which quickly became one of the most popular and highest-trafficked in the blogosphere. Upon disclosure by the New York Times in December 2005 of President Bush's warrantless eavesdropping program, Greenwald became one of the leading and most cited experts on that controversy. In early 2006, he broke a story on his blog regarding the NSA scandal that served as the basis for front-page articles in the Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times and other newspapers, all of which credited his blog for the story. Several months later, Sen. Russ Feingold read from one of Greenwald's posts during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on Feingold's resolution to censure the president for violating FISA. In 2008, Sen. Chris Dodd read from Greenwald's Salon blog during floor debate over FISA. Greenwald's blog was also cited as one of the sources for the comprehensive report issued by Rep. John Conyers titled "The Constitution in Crisis." In 2006, he won the Koufax Award for best new blog.

In May 2006, Greenwald published his first book, "How Would a Patriot Act? Defending American Values From a President Run Amok," which critiqued the radical theories of executive power used by the Bush administration to justify everything from lawbreaking powers to the use of torture to indefinite detention of American citizens. The book was an instant bestseller, rising to No. 1 on Amazon's Best Seller List and remaining there for almost a full week. The book also debuted at No. 11 on the New York Times Best Seller list, and remained on the list for the next two months.

Greenwald's second book, "A Tragic Legacy: How a Good v. Evil Mentality Destroyed the Bush Presidency," was published by Random House/Crown and released on June 26, 2007. On the day of its release, the book went to #1 on Amazon's Best-Selling Non-Fiction list, and it also debuted on the New York Times Best Seller list in its first week. "A Tragic Legacy" examines the role of Manichaean morality and the exploitation of the concept of the "enemy" during the Bush presidency and argues that President Bush's single-minded dependence on good vs. evil themes has rendered his presidency a failure.

Greenwald's third book, "Great American Hypocrites: Toppling the Big Myths of Republican Politics," will be published on April 15, 2008, by Crown (Random House). The book examines the personality-based mythologies and manipulative electoral techniques used by the GOP, and propagated by the establishment press, to determine the outcome of our national elections...

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/profile/index.html
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:21 PM
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5. Believe Harry Reid is a national treasure as well
Edited on Tue May-06-08 02:23 PM by medeak
edited to say:

most rednecked town in state gave incredible review of his book...this is a town who would throw garbage at him a decade ago:


http://www.elkodaily.com/articles/2008/05/03/news/local_news/news1.txt
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:25 PM
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6. Reid's book
Reid's ‘Good Fight' one great read
By DOUG McMURDO - Associate Editor
Saturday, May 3, 2008 12:00 AM PDT



The ramshackle home in Searchlight in which Sen. Harry Reid was born in 1939. (Courtesy)



ELKO - Democrats won't be the only readers who will appreciate Sen. Harry Reid's new book, “The Good Fight - Hard Lessons from Searchlight to Washington.”

First of all, this is not your father's senator's memoir. Absent are the self-congratulatory boasts of legislation they pushed through - as if they did it single-handedly - that are all too common when a politician, or any famous person for that matter, writes his or her autobiography.

Instead, Reid offers a remarkably candid and fascinating story that is very personal, sometimes painfully so.

Whenever Reid appears in Nevada, veteran reporters often make bets as to if and when the old “I come from Searchlight” story will come out.

While Reid does indeed routinely refer to his humble roots in the long-busted southern Nevada mining town, never before has he expounded on his childhood with such vivid color.

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From his hard-working, stubborn, alcoholic father - a tough man who sometimes abused Reid's mother, Inez, but never touched his children in anger - to learning how to swim at one of the local brothel's swimming pools, Reid pulls no punches.

The book goes from past to present chapter by chapter, yet flows seamlessly. Perhaps it is because I know Reid's voice and vernacular so well after covering his career for two decades, but reading this book is a fun read. Like sitting around the campfire in the company of a great storyteller.

In one chapter you'll find yourself laughing as Reid goes on his first date with wife Landra in a car that needed a downhill run to get the motor started. The next chapter you're brought into the White House and find yourself intrigued as Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi plead with President Bush to rethink his Iraq war strategy.

Reid also brings an insider's view on how Republican senators almost backed Democrats on issues ranging from the war to Social Security - only to remain faithful to their party rather than remaining true to their consciences.

The Senate majority leader also explains in convincing fashion his poorly-worded “Mr. President, this war is lost” comment that provided a huge pasture's worth of political hay to Republican and conservative pundits.

He regrets how he said it, but makes no apologies for having said it.

Unlike many political memoirs, Reid does not disparage the other party - at least not in a mean, shrill or indefensible way. He speaks kindly of many Republicans, including Newt Gingrich, Dennis Hastert, and George Bush the Elder.

The battle minority Democrats put up against Bush's ill-fated attempt to privatize Social Security provides readers with keen insight on how partisan politics - particularly in modern times - can paralyze a nation.

Reid's stories on being a young lawyer after attending law school in Washington, D.C., where he worked as a Capitol Hill police officer to feed his young family, are full of humanity and help explain the idealism that led him to politics and the Democratic party.

And while the D.C. stories provide an education for skeptics and cynics alike, it is Reid's intensely personal accounts of life outside of the Beltway that make “The Good Fight” such a good read.

In a brief interview with the Free Press Wednesday, Reid admitted some of the material dealing with his personal life was indeed difficult to divulge. “It was painful to recount,” he said, but Nevada has grown by more than two million people since I came to Washington and I realized most of them might know who I am, what I look like, but they don't know the real me.

“That's why I wrote the book (co-written by Mark Warren) … I wanted the people from the state I love to get to know the real Harry Reid.”

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Reid never knew religion until he hitch-hiked from Searchlight to Henderson to attend Basic High School. There he discovered classmates who introduced him to Mormonism. Years later, both Reid and his wife would adopt the faith.


His wife Landra was born into a prominent Jewish family and she and Harry eloped - but not until the senator and Landra's devoutly religious father duked it out when he came to pick her up for a date. The relationship grew into one of deep love and mutual respect.


Former Gov. Mike O'Callaghan was a father figure to Reid, mentoring him from high school, where he was a teacher through law school, when he pulled strings to let Reid take the bar exam early to keep his young family fed.


Reid was a boxer and a football player.


Like many teenagers, he was consumed by sports - and girls.

More than anything, Reid's story dismisses the popular notion that only the rich and privileged, the silver spooners, the scions of the wealthy have a chance to make it big in politics.

His is a story that proves even the son of a dirt-poor miner born in a home without indoor plumbing can achieve great things - and that it can be done with integrity and dignity.

It matters not where one's political sympathies lie. “The Good Fight” isn't a manifesto for the Democratic Party's philosophy. Those who like Reid will love him after reading this book. Those who don't like him will at least understand what makes him tick and come to respect his positions, however begrudgingly, whether they agree with them or not.

All proceeds from the book will go to charity.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:28 PM
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8. most rednecked town in state gave incredible review of his book...
Yep, the rednecks are liking Reid more and more every day...
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:55 PM
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12. pray tell... is there ONE democrat
I can say something nice about and not be harrassed?

What happened to DU? In the old days we would be banished for saying anything in anyway negative re a dem.

Feck all you new people..

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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 03:05 PM
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16. There are many I like.
And I believe that part of being a good Democrat includes criticism of Democratic leaders with whom I disagree on fundamental issues. Just like being a good American includes some criticism of our leaders when we disagree with them.

Please don't take criticism of Harry Reid as personal "harassment" of you. It's not intended as such. And I've been posting here over a year now. When will I not be a "new person," subject to fecking, in your opinion?
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 03:13 PM
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18. a decade baby n/t
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 03:48 PM
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21. When you said "Things that don't exist in Reid's world", I figured you'd say...
Backbone -- because the man obviously doesn't have one. All you needed was 40 votes to stop funding.

Assuming we retain the Senate (and I wouldn't bet the ranch on that), I sincerely hope we change Senate leaders after the election.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 03:54 PM
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22. Sen Reid also doesn't know about the FLDS in Nevada.
He complained about the FLDS in Utah, though.

He should have resigned a few years ago.
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 03:55 PM
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23. Watch it here.
Scroll down to 'Senator Harry Reid' in the video selector in the center. I appreciate soft-spoken but this guy was almost comatose.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:40 PM
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27. You'd think he'd be a bit more enthusiastic
in the majority an' all.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 04:13 PM
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25. career politicians cover each others asses.... they have to protect their phony baloney jobs
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