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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:01 AM
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Rumsfeld blames the generals for poor pre-war planning.


http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/

Rumsfeld blames the generals for poor pre-war planning.

In February 2003, Gen. Eric Shinseki famously predicted that “several hundred thousand” troops would be needed for post-war hostilities in Iraq. According to documents recently released by the Pentagon in response to The New York Times’s expose on its propaganda program, however, Donald Rumsfeld claimed in a 2006 briefing that the reason why he did not support a larger invasion force was because commanders did not request it:

RUMSFELD: Now, it turns out he {Shinkseki} was right. The commanders–you guys ended up wanting roughly the same as you had for the major combat operation, and that’s what we have. There is no damned guidebook that says what the number ought to be. We were queued up to go up to what, 400-plus thousand.

Q: Yes, they were already in queue.

RUMSFELD: They were in the queue. We would have gone right on if they’d wanted them, but they didn’t, so life goes on.

In reality, Rumsfeld fought back when generals like Shinseki requested more troops. He said in 2003 that Shinseki was “far from the mark.” As McClatchy reported in 2004, “Central Command originally proposed a force of 380,000 to attack and occupy Iraq. Rumsfeld’s opening bid was about 40,000. … By September 2003, Rumsfeld and his aides thought, there would be very few American troops left in Iraq.”
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:04 AM
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1. Hey Rumdumb Blame the Wolfman, Feith and the rest of the NEOCONS
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:06 AM
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2. Thanks for the laugh, Rummy!
There, of course, was "a book" on how many troops to send in. The Pentagon wargamed an Iraq invasion & occupation four years before Shock & Awe and concluded 400,000 troops would be needed, but that there would still be armed resistance, general chaos, and a breakdown in regional power balances that might lead to spin off wars.

Rumsfeld was briefed on that scenario and fucking chose to ignore it.
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WillyToad Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:07 AM
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Rumsfeld fired every general who disagreed with him...
...and the 'dancing in the streets and flower pedals' reception he fantasized US troops would encounter.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:07 AM
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3. never accept blame is the neocons motto.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:08 AM
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4. Wasn't it RummyDummy who said....
"you go to war with the army you *have*, not with the army you *wish* you had.."???

Fuck you, RummyDummy!

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:09 AM
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5. fuck you rummy...how do you sleep at night?
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:10 AM
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6. Not a book, but a movie


"Never get involved in a land war in Asia!" --Vizzini, 'The Princess Bride'
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:20 AM
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7. Rumy the War Criminal Sez....
Who Cares, He should be tried and hung and all of his families ill gotten gain
seized.Shinseki was right.
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:28 AM
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8. "Life goes on." Not for everybody, you bastard.
I can think of tens of thousands of exceptions.
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Rob H. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:27 AM
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9. Rumsfeld is a fucking liar
Just watch PBS' Bush's War or the documentary No End in Sight. He fought tooth and nail to keep the initial troop deployment numbers low, and was livid when Shinseki testified that 400,000 troops was closer to the mark we needed than the number we actually sent.
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:23 AM
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11. The ease at which these people lie to eveyone is like watching the
Edited on Fri May-09-08 10:26 AM by Stuart G
film Godfather and see the ease at which they killed their enemies. Joseph Goebbels may have perfected the "Big Lie" but these people carry on his legacy.
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Rob H. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:34 AM
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13. They're completely shameless!
They'll deny saying things even when there's audio or video footage to the contrary. It just shows how much contempt they have for the American people, imo, when they try to pull stunts like this. They must think we're all idiots--they certainly act as if they do, anyway.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:16 AM
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10. LMAO
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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:16 AM
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12. No, it was all Clinton's fault!
:sarcasm:
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 01:34 PM
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14. Help my head is going to explode.
I have never in my life seen such lying sacks of manure as in the Bush administration. And I am old.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 01:38 PM
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15. War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery and Ignorance is Strength
Straight from the Minister of Truth.
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