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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:07 PM
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US war dead cremated in same facility as pets:
http://news.theage.com.au/us-war-dead-cremated-in-same-facility-as-pets-pentagon/20080510-2cuc.html

US Defense Secretary Robert Gates ordered a review of the handling of the remains of US war dead and apologized after learning that some were cremated in a commercial facility that also cremates pets, the Pentagon said.

Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell said there was no evidence that any US servicemember was cremated in an incinerator used for pets.

But Gates believed that the use of a commercial facility that cremated both humans and pets, albeit in separate incinerators, was "insensitive and entirely inappropriate for the dignified treatment of our fallen," Morrell said.

"The families of the fallen have the secretary's deepest apology," he added.

An unidentified army officer complained earlier Friday after visiting the military's mortuary at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware to pay respects to a comrade who had been killed in combat, officials said.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:08 PM
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1. To say that the troops get treated like dogs is literally true.....
..... It's a damn shame. :argh:

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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:17 PM
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2. I treat my dogs better than these clowns treat the troops.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:17 PM
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3. In the list of horrendous assaults on our military & their families...
Edited on Fri May-09-08 10:23 PM by hlthe2b
I can certainly acknowledge there is insensitivity, but unless they were cremating in the same incinerator, such that "fluffy's" remains might intermix, I'm not sure I feel the same sense of horror as I do over the countless other wrongs being done to our military and their families.

Grief for a lost beloved pet certainly does approach that for a lost beloved family member for so many. Thus, for the spiritual among us, I dare say those human remains are enveloped in the strong residuals of love and grief no less than I could imagine in a "pure" human facility. Nonetheless, I am very saddened that this may add to the pain of some family members who feel quite differently.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:44 PM
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5. Thank you for writing that. I agree with it all. Thank you. nt
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:29 PM
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4. This seems a bit odd... The Air Force made the arrangements????
So some poor s.o.b. in the Air Force will take the fall for this. What kind of sick mind would even THINK to save the Air Force money by suggesting a pet crematorium for this? Pity there isn't an independent investigation going on, the skeptic in me thinks that this was scripted by a civilian member of the bfee.
:patriot:To those who serve. :patriot:
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:48 PM
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6. SO ?
what a non-story
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:02 PM
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8. Dead soldiers are supposed to be treated with respect
Some kids over in Iraq might think differently
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 02:37 AM
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19. Are you a veteran?
:eyes:
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:50 PM
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7. I would be
proud to be cremated with my wonderful dog. But that is just me.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:04 PM
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9. I'm sure some of the surviving family members had a different view
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:08 PM
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10. Several points about this story
that got me thinking...

1.- The military usually does not cremate casualties UNLESS the family requests this or in the form signed by the trooper before deployment

2.- There is a situation when troops WILL be cremated and respect be dammed and I had to go... hmmm I don't like the looks of this. That is if any trooper is in contact with highly infectious or hazardous material. (that applies to EMS workers as well. If during my ten years I died from a highly infection disease such as the bubonic plague, all religious traditions be damned)

So I had to think when this story broke... what if...

Sorry... if I was reaching for the tinfoil

Otherwise... highly disrespectful.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:36 PM
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11. outsourcing in the bush years. n/t
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peacebaby3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 12:05 AM
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12. I just read this whole story on Yahoo news and as the wife of a soldier
who served in Iraq, who luckily came home alive, and retired a few months ago, I don't feel any outrage over this at all.

The place had 3 incinerators, two for humans and one they used for pet cremations. They were in separate areas and are used accordingly.

Why is this insulting? I wouldn't be insulted, nor would my husband. In fact, I think it is rather nice that a place would be doing this for animal lovers.

Sorry, I think this is a bit of faux outrage.

This is the least of the insults they have committed against the troops.

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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 12:11 AM
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13. they are dead, what difference does it make?
I will either be cremated when I die, or donate my body to a medical school. I really don't care what happens to my body after I die. One crematorium is much like another.

I am a Viet-Nam vet, and the real tragedy is that they died in an unjust and misguided war, not in the manner of the disposal of their bodies.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 12:26 AM
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16. Thank You! nt
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 12:43 AM
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17. I agree completely...nt.
Sid
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 12:18 AM
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14. I have to honestly say that I think the reason those servicemembers are dead
is much more offensive than being cremated in the same place as pets. Then again, I'm a pet lover and may look at things a bit differently.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 12:25 AM
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15. Considering we(animals) are all made of the same stuff...
I do not have an issue with this at all.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 02:30 AM
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18. Insensitive and entirely inappropriate
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:55 AM
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20. And?
Separate incinerators are used for human corpses and non-human corpses. Some crematoria also dispose of paper records; is this an outrage? What's better: a cremation in a facility that handles the remains of beloved humans and non-humans, or one that burns bodies and old tax returns?

What's an outrage is that these people were slaughtered in a senseless war.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 05:02 AM
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21. Son of a bitch!
:grr::nuke: :mad:
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mvccd1000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 07:54 AM
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22. Sounds like most responders didn't read the story. Read first, answer second.
There are three buildings on the facility, with three separate entrances. Two of them are used for human remains, one is used for pet remains. The odds of Johnny getting mixed up with Fido are slim to none, so I'm guessing today was a slow news day.
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