TYT: I Defy Any Republican To Listen To Or Read This And Ever Vote Republican Again

unless of course they are part of the top 1%...

Princeton University Professor of Political Science Larry Bartels joins The Young Turks and presents his findings that should guarantee that no Republican President is ever elected again: http://youngturks.wmod.llnwd.net/a591/o1/4-25-08Bartels.wmv

And for Dial-Uppers (or for anyone who wants to cut and paste a snippet of Larry's very short NY Times article on the topic): http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/magazine/27wwln-idealab-t.html?ref=magazine

Here's an excerpt: "...The Census Bureau has tracked the economic fortunes of affluent, middle-class and poor American families for six decades. According to my analysis, these tabulations reveal a wide partisan disparity in income growth. The real incomes of middle-class families grew more than twice as fast under Democratic presidents as they did under Republican presidents.

Even more remarkable, the real incomes of working-poor families (at the 20th percentile of the income distribution) grew six times as fast when Democrats held the White House. Only the incomes of affluent families were relatively impervious to partisan politics, growing robustly under Democrats and Republicans alike..."


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simple visual showing this info. It's much easier to digest that listening to the figures - carries more gravitas when it's in your face.

This is great -- thanks!!

this gets specific.

It gives hard numbers on just HOW bad they are. Everyone should memorize these numbers and bludgeon any and all republican friends, family and coworkers over the head with them every (appropriate) chance they get.

Who knows, create enough buzz and word of mouth spreading and it may become conventional wisdom to *non-progressives* too.

I'm already a planning a nice email blast.

Was how effective his 'infomercials' were in conveying numeric information to the masses.

I did not understand why the Democratic party did NOT co-opt that method, and use such ad buys to saturate the general public with THIS kind of information ....

We have always known that the GOP hurt middle and lower class families: SHOW the people so they can see it, and they will respond ....

Remember Kerry in 2004? Despite him being the better candidate did people really listen to the guy talking on and on?

The shorter and easier to understand the better.

Any Dem strategist or representative that appears on TV should pound the two stats about income for the bottom 20% and middle class incomes under Dems Vs Repubs over and over and over (and over).

While they're at it they should also throw out the 'over 70% of our national debt was created by just 3 Republican presidents'. Just keep pounding it until the MSM is overwhelmed and can't ignore it.

Thanks again ihavenobias, I look forward to your posts and videos.

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"Clear, simple terms" that the everyday Joe will understand. This wasn't a strong-point of Kerry's. He's a very intelligent man, but failed to connect/convey his message with average working people.

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This is powerful ammo that can be used to destroy the Republics in this or any other future election.

and the key is to keep hammering these facts home, over and over, for years, as the Repukes have done with their lies. You don't change "conventional wisdom" overnight.

thanks for the ammo! :toast:

There is a massive difference between the wealthiest 5% and the wealthiest 1%. There's an even bigger gulf between the top 10% and the top 1%.

So there will always be some deluded people who know about the inequality, yet have the silly notion that they are part of the top 1% club when they are really just upper middle class peons.
Ha ha. Check your egos.

per year to be in the top 1%?

per this website, top 1% is an AGI of more than $365K (not sure if household or individual - looks like it may be of "all tax returns") http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/22652.html


but that # may be low -- this website says that top 1% is those making over $450 K. "The top 1 percent of households (currently those with incomes over $450,000) will receive almost $1.2 trillion in tax cuts over the next ten years, if the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts are extended and relief from the Alternative Minimum Tax is continued."
http://www.cbpp.org/2-4-08tax.htm

I would be happy with a quarter of that.

my girlfriend, who does sociological data analysis, added that it'd be interesting to compare also what goes on growth-wise outside the country as well. that it seems would be harder to quantify...

have their incomes go down after Bush's mishandling of the economy. When you throw out the poor AND the middle class, who is going to buy the goods/services that the companies make? And if the companies don't make a profit, don't their stock values go waaaayyy down?

Some will dismiss it as liberal clap-trap.

Others don't care about the money issue - they'll vote pro-life or homophobia or vote for killin' Muslims or anti-immigration or pro-flag pin, etc. etc. etc.

For Bush's 29%, logic and common sense aren't applicable.

They are hopeless.

But there are also a LOT of uninformed/misinformed "moderates" who would be shocked by such hard figures. Plenty of people out there have a generic idea that Republicans only care about the rich and that Dems (on paper at least) are for the underdog/poor/middle class.

This gives some strong, tangible evidence to support that claim, and it's pretty easy to explain in it in a way that the Average Joe can understand.

Sure, we'll never convince that 20-30% or so that thinks Bush is a great president, that the war and economy are going strong and the global warming is a fiction. But that's ok, we don't need to.

PS---This should also be pointed out to cynical types who claim there is NO difference between Dems and Repubs. Yes, Dems *have* become more and more corrupt and special interest driven therefore decreasing the difference, but to say they are exactly the same shows an absurd lack of nuance. It's not that black and white, and this research is just one stark example of just how different they can be.

simple, concise terms.

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What's sad is that even though the very wealthy remain steady through either party, they support republicans anyway. It's hard to believe that group would fall for the homosexual or abortion issues but they seem to support the strategy with their contributions; that certainly looks like their motives are to keep the lower classes from advancing :(

great post ihavenobias thanks