subliminal images in FOX news logos?

Any Obama's in there? Or Clinton's? Either Clinton?

Yeah.

Good catch! Thanks for sharing this one. Makes you wonder how many more are out there - and if there are any benefiting OUR side. Really. If this stuff is out there, WE have to have stuff out there for OUR guy/gal. Can't let this go unresponded to. This stuff HAS TO be countered. Challenged. Rebutted. Redirected so it attacks back. Has to.

they have been brainwashing us to buy crap for years...no wonder everyone is so sick.....

The Nazis, while they were more directly, obviously and physically evil than the Bushies (at least, the Bushies as they are currently...after the Bushies hit us again like they did on 9/11 all bets are off), were a good bit smaller an organization as the Bushpublic Party, now wholly given over to criminality in a way I'd never dreamed possible seven short years ago.

Unquestionably this is exactly what it seems, and is merely one in a thousand facets of the Bushiganda and voter disenfranchisement movements.

Will anyone invetsigate? Of course not. As in Nazi Germany, a large part of the leadership of various law engforcement agencies are criminals themselevs.

Like the Germans of the 1930s, there is no way out of this. The Bushies now command the organs of the State, and will continue to do so after they have installed McCain.

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Godwin's head is exploding!!! Call congress right fucking now!!1

nor those (like ours) in transition to totalitarianism.

Or that Godwin's Law is used by the weak-minded often to smear that which they cannot logically refute?

Of course you don't.

Too bad they don't have a "fucking idiot" smiley because there can be no other for that nonsensical and ad hominem attack, which I am happy to return to you in spades, you weak-minded dab of catshit.

Welcome to ignore, asshole. I don't have many people on it. Just those absolutely bereft of intellectual input.

You could have disagreed with me civilly and respectfully, but why would someone like you take that approach when some smearing and blather will do.

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Weakminded is believing in goofy conspiracy theories (not to mention hilarious). Weakminded is believing that the Bush crew is smart or cunning enough to pull off ANYTHING, let alone covert conspiracies.

Alex Jones wouldn't even post what you posted.

unequally to the ultra wealthy, and they've never been successful. They haven't been able to start any unjustified wars, they haven't been able to shovel money into the pockets of their wealthy donors. They haven't been able to achieve $4 gas and $130 a barrel oil. Nope, they haven't done a damn thing. It's a good thing that the last 8 years have left this country completely uncorrupted.

You aren't serious, are you? You are? How unfortunate.

So, they DIDN'T successfully steal one, perhaps two "presidential elections"?

They DIDN'T successfully take us to war using essentially the same type of false rationale Hitler used when he "liberated" Poland (can you possibly be so historically illiterate to not notice the similarities in the Bush rationale for invading Iraq and the Nazi rationale for invading Poland - sure you can)?

That they DIDN'T successfully tell 935 LIES in the run-up to the war and NOT GET CAUGHT?

That BushCheney DIDN'T successfully bully the 9/11 Commission to let them testify TOGETHER and NOT UNDER OATH?

That BushCheney DIDN'T successfully send 330 TONS of $100 bills to Iraq, which promptly disappeared?
(as reported by the NYT and Wash Post)

That BushCheney DIDN'T successfully shield Alberto Gonzales from prosecution when he publicly and on videotape perjured himself literally a dozen or more times, even contradicting the Director of the FBI's testimony and walk away unscathed and free as a bird?

Being as that is a very very VERY small fraction of Bushie accomplishments, that's one whole lot of nothing.

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Jesus H. Christ on a jumped-up pogo-stick, I have heard of your type who rewrite reality to suit their straw man, but it is astonishing to me that you could fabricate such a deception in the support of your bullshit?

That is truly audacious. Gonna stand by that? Bushies have accomplished nothing, eh? I guess that means all of DU is bullshit because we are getting worked up over nothing?

Wow, what a fucking idiot. Or just shamelessly manipulative. Can you really believe that?

In either case, I got diverted from putting you on ignore, thus was foolishly exposed to more of your pointless ad hominems and replied.

Not to worry. Once finished with this, you are going on ignore. I am certain you'll come back to get the last word. I know your type, asshole. Even though I will never see it, your point is to put on your dumbshow for others.

But I am done playing with you. What an embarrassing waste of time. Not only have you made a tremendous ass of yourself by coming in with ad hominems blazing, which I happily return in spades, but then you say the Bushies have accomplished NOTHING in seven years, when they have almost fully annihilated our System of Checks and Balances, turned our media into Soviet TV with hot blondes and celebrity news, turned the Department of Justice - Civil Rights Division into the Department of Minority Intimidation and Disenfranchisement? Oh, and fired any US Atty. who wouldn't play ball AND COMPLETELY GET AWAY WITH THAT?

Just HOW STUPID do you have to fucking be to say that's NOTHING? Are you just lying to yourself to make yourself feel better about how we have been getting our asses kicked for seven long years (even after we WON in 2006) by a collection of psychopaths leading Authoritarian Followers, asa they have always done, no matter what age and place they have arisen? Or are you just telling a self-serving lie to make your bullshit ad hominem seem relevant?

Nothing. The Bushies Accomplished nothing. Wow. Thanks dude. No matter what you write now, anyone who reads this exchange, whether they agree with my speculations of Bushie-Nazi similarities, will see you as a clueless idiot. Even if they see me as a clueless idiot, there can be no doubt that they will see you as one.

Nothing. The Bushies have accomplished nothing.

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You hear that everyone? We can fold up DU and go home now! It's all been bullshit. We've been sitting here for years angry and upset, when the Bushies have accomplished nothing, so why should we be upset?

I have heard a lot of stupid things on DU in my seven years here, sometimes coming from me, but without doubt yours is the stupidest comment by LIGHT YEARS that I have ever heard here.

Nothing, eh?

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Now, asshole, get thee to ignore.

I mean, how could one stupid man do all that stuff? It's obvious to me that you made all this stuff up to make S.C. look stupid. Now, where was my kool-aid?

That fact that we know about them and that they've been reported on means that they were UNSUCCESSFUL, you dolt!!! If the Bush crew were as cunning and smart as you give them credit for, we wouldn't know about ANY of those things! That's what I'm trying to say. You listing all that shit reinforces MY point, that the Bush crew is not smart or cunning enough to pull off subliminal messages without us knowing about it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Conspiracy theorists, GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY PARTY!!!!

Getting away with something and having it exposed are two different things. Very elementary point, but these seem to elude you.

Long as the example has been brought up: the Nazis didn't succeed at concealing their crimes, either, but they got away with every single thing they did until suffering military defeat from the outside.

who brings nothing but insults to the conversation and ZERO intellectual debate? Not to mention logical fallacies and the ignorance of basic commonsense precepts, one of which you have just pointed out in response to a post I personally will never see and don't care to.

Just suggesting there are more productive conversations to be had here on DU, than with it's small cadre of mean asshole Sneer and Smearers who are like having a discussion with a left-leaning Sean Hannity.

Think about it, Jack.

Peace.

See you 'round the boards! :hi:

I'm a willing object of projection in this case ;) The feelings are mutual.

:hi:

Must be strange living in that world of yours. You should join the rest of us in reality more often.

You know, I don’t have anyone on ignore. The people who I would put on ignore, are the very ones who I feel the need to correct or counteract. However, the damn picture in the sig line makes me want to puke, so snarkboy is going on ignore for me too.

How can it not apply to totalitarian societies? All it says is that as an online discussion gets longer and longer, the chances f someone referencing Hitler or Nazis approaches one.

It confers valdiity, or shall we say smears with invalidity any Internet conversation the person on the receiving end of such a claim, like that fool I now have on ignore shrieking, "Godwin's Law! Godwin's law! I win! You're an idiot!" to paraphrase, oh, about a THOUSAND online Internet conversations I have personally witnessed where the invocastion of Godwins' Law is simply a rhetorical tactic to humiliate someone, and close down a conversation.

So I believe that your assertion, while techincally correct, ignores the practical, repeated and daily usage of said Law.

Having said that, it is not entirely an illegitimate concept IN FREE SOCIEITES. In a Free Society with a strong, helthy, independant media that has investigative capacities, and some level of integrity, one can more reasonably say to "conspiracy theorists" That is an unreasonable assertion, for if something like that happened in our Free Society with it's strong investigative press, it would probably come out eventually.

I actually agree with that, although dismissing someone with a mean smear is a shitty thing to do unless first provoked, free society or not.

To bring my point full circle, the same applies to Godwin's Law as it's practical application in online conversations. In a Free Society with a Strong System of Checks and Balances, three fully independant branches of govt., and that fine strong Free Press, Godwin's Law is more relevant.

Because of the nature of said society, which could easily be said of the post WWII-USA (relatively-speaking, because nobody and nothing is perfect), disimissing similarities to the Nazis at least makes sense.

But would someone comparing, say the Mynamar Military Junta (which has handled Nargis almost identically to the way the Bushies handled Katrina, right up to the creepy Third World similarity of the Mynamarian relief boxes bearing the names of their Generals to the way Bushler held back the trucks until he was done strumming his guitar and eating birthday cake with McCain so that they would all roll into town at the exact moment Bushler took to the airwaves - remember that? Of all the callous, evil murderous things Bushler has done that was one of the creepiest because it was just so transparently Third World. If Mynamar had a CNN/FOX, one could easily imagine the generals not wasting time with crude propaganda printed on relief boxes but imitating the Bushie strategy 100%) be guilty of embarrassing themselves by comparing their leadership to Hitler?

No, and for the same reason, Godwin's Law (in it's practical use on the web as rhetorical bludgeon and conversation-stopper) cannot apply to Bush-Occupied Amerika.

That was my point and I stand by it. The only real place I disagree with you is your strict recital of the "letter" of Godwin's Law without taking into account it's practical, daily, multiple uses in Internet conversations.

Attention span problems? Bored?

My apologies. Perhaps you should try FR. They share your attitude to pointy-headed liberal intellectualizing and the mental weakness lengthy informed debate reveals. :sarcasm:

I imagine such nuanced discussion would evoke a similar response over there, though you won't catch me going over to find out.

I want to congratulate you for seeing through my excessive use of words and intellectual debate when it's quite clear that only things which can be said in three sentences or less are worth saying.

Thank you SOOOOO much for showing me the error of my ways. If I can't say it with as much brevity and simplicity as Sean Hannity or BillO, I probably shouldn't say it, right?

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Or you can get all your strawmen to do it for you.

G'night.

Must be good on gas ;)

Oh the absolute foolishness!

Do you actually believe that I am the monnikers who have posted in support of me?

Are you projecting your own self onto me? Ihave had one monniker and one monniker only since I came to DU seven years ago. How many do you have?

Plus, who's patting themselves on the back? I'm calling YOU an idiot. That doesn't necessarily imply that makes me a genius or anything, except possibly the way that a chubby person standing next to a 600-lb. fat person looks positively svelte.

The chubby person is still chubby, just as I am no genius, but "standing" next to a fool like you certainly makes me feel smart.

Thanks again. It's not often I can get such an ego boost.

Oh no! I wrote more than three sentences! Are you OK? Did you fall asleep at your keyboard and hit your head? Did you make it OK or did you have to take a break and watch MTV News in order to finish?

I'll say this, it is pretty rare when more than one person like you and Snark reveal themselves in one night.

Thanks again, idiot. Welcome to Ignore.

You know, Thomas Paine is my favorite of the country's founders. His life story is sad and amazing, and he was indisputably a genius. You are grievously unworthy of the username.

It's interesting (if the clip actually shows the real feed), but since subliminal messages doesn't work, it doesn't matter so much. Sadly, the belief of "subliminal advertisement affecting our minds" is widespread. This is a good page that explains about that myth: http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4063

these tactics if they doesn't work?

Oh, there's many reasons.
If we're only talking about this clip...
1. They thought it was fun (for a lack of a better word).
2. They were amateurs, or was instructed by amateurs that believes that subliminal advertisement works
3. Well, why does it even have anything to do with subliminal advertisements? We have no proof of that.

...There is a very good reason why subliminal advertisement is never considered by anyone working in PR. (at least not in the way that subliminal advertisements is supposed to work). Subliminal advertisements do not work.

If it did work, do you think that almost all of the scientists and the people working with advertisements would lie about it? The scientific evidence is clear. Subliminal advertisements does not work, at least not in the way people believe that they do.

You HAVE to be a Faux "News" supporting Freeper to defend that outrageous action!

Someone MUST be fired for this.

I'm sending it to Keith Olbermann - I advise everyone reading this post to do the same.

As you said yourself, if such things are attempted then they would most likely not be detectable. The fact you can see it so plainly and easily should be a red flag. Send it off to whomever, but I personally would save any potential outrage for when and if it is verified as being legit. Of course that is just silly little me's take on it.

The fact that this has stirred such interest from Fox supporters makes it seem all the more worthy of pursuit.

We should at least verify if it is legitimate - if it is - Fox is in jeopardy of losing their license - that's what's bothering you.

First of all, I don't believe you really believe what you just said... Basically, I think you're smart enough to know I am not defending fox.. In fact I'm pretty damn sure you just said the same thing I said about verifying it. Not sure what your motives are, but don't try to play one over on me for your own shits and giggles. I stand by what I said, and it seems as if you do too...

about HughMoran not believing what he said he believes. In fact, I believe you are as transparent as water.

Tell me then, where did I defend fox or anyone for that matter? Did I say it shouldn't be looked into? I said it should be verified first before pointing to it as some sort of fact. If it turns out to be legit then I'm all for pointing it out and doing whatever could be done. However, I'm well aware of the dirty tricks that people play. Whether they do it for their own personal amusement or for some sort of political reason. That is why I believe everything should be looked at carefully before it is used to lead any sort of charge. I hope I'm being transparent enough for you now.

I suppose it doesn't matter though. It seems as if you're convinced anyone who isn't 100% in lockstep with your view is some how some part of some sort of conspiracy in regards to this issue. Which to me sounds ridiculous so I'm writing it off as some of you just having shits and giggles... Then again, if you truly do feel that way then there is nothing I could say or do that will change your mind anyways.. I would carry on, but I have a meeting with my fellow fox news conspirators in five minutes. We're going to bite the heads off of kittens and plot other evil ways to conspire against YOU. I just made $10 on this post. CHA-CHING! hehehe

Seriously, wtf?

I was just making fun of your convoluted post.

Let's get the facts straight here :D

I want to see your "outrage" - lol

Seriously though, if it is shown to be legit and not some kids practical joke to see how many people he was able to rile up or 'fool', then I'll be with ya 100%...

I mean, come on. If this was something from our candidate of choice (me me me), then I would expect the same sort of skepticism.
My feelings have nothing to with the content nor to do with fox, but the fact that it's some video from the internet...

You've chosen some interesting points to take up in your first posts here - that can't be denied.

My first post was actually mentioning how goofy Jenna Bush's new husband looked. My second post was commenting on how I purchased a weight set that was missing parts. Then I came across this one and asked if it has been verified or not. I didn't even think for a second it would be given a hostile reception. I thought and still think I have a valid concern since there are a lot of tricksters out there...

Either way, this thread was not the purpose of me coming here. I come here because someone said I could get free beer and toilet paper. Which I'm starting to think isn't true.

Like the (D) after Mark Foley's name when the congressional page scandal broke. Or when Hardball used an Osama graphic for an Obama segment.

All innocent errors I am sure :sarcasm:

I think the problem is that I wasn't fully understood. Basically, it's not that I think that fox 'news' made a mistake and accidentally put that up. I was questioning if someone didn't think it would be funny to take fox new clip and edit it so that McCain was in it, then put it out there and say 'hahaha look as those gullible dumb asses, they grab on to anything'... My gut tells me that very well might be the case here... I could be wrong though, but I never said that it was a fake for sure. I just said I would require more verification before I fully believe it to be the legit.

Neither does your grammar. Thank You for playing though.

Love your enchanted reasoning.

Truly laughable.

I hate bad grammar as much as you do. I blame myself.

My reasoning is however good, since it's been proved multiple times that subliminal advertisements doesn't work. Just look at the scientific consensus.

I don't think so...

Why?

What is your motivation?

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"subliminal messages doesn't (sic) work"

I knew someone would say that!

First of all, it's not established what a flood of barely-registered messages does to people, given frequent repetition over sufficient time. (One thing I can tell you is that near everyone suffers information overload.)

But second and more importantly: SO WHAT!? Your point is trivial and insulting.

If someone tried to kill me and I had no trouble at all incapacitating them, it would still be assault with intent to kill. Even if I was invincible and I could literally blow the aggressor down, he would still be an aggressor. An enemy.

Whether or not the techniques work, anyone attempting to manipulate you without your knowledge and against your will is doing something wrong. It should get you angry. They are your enemy.

Advertisers may not have the magic brainwash spell that makes you give all your money straight to them - yet - but if they did, they would use it. 100 percent guaranteed. In fact, they would be praised for using in the business pages. That is wrong and it is one of the most fucked up things about our society.

has a very good eye.

I'm impressed

Must have stirred up the persons curiosity.

by someone aware of these techniques. A screen with at least 6 things going on simultaneously makes anything you are not focusing on become subliminal!! Think about the ticker tape at the bottom with the logos moving, picture with the captions a separate story, and a narrator talking above everything else. Manipulation is a high art these days.

Signet published Subliminal Seduction, back in the seventies. I read the book, and it did provide some insight. However, I don’t remember it giving away the real secrets; who is studying and using it. It focused on advertising.

Anyone who states it doesn’t work is quoting someone, and anyone who wants to convince you it doesn’t work has been fooled or is complicit.

The Subliminal Seduction book is a whole bunch of bs, that has become a best seller due to the gullibility of the general population. It might be fun to read, but you shouldn't believe in anything the book describes, unless you like believing in unscientific explanations.

This is a hot topic. It is no surprise you showed up on this thread. There are people who would rather the general population not know about subliminal persuasion. That you are here spouting this stuff about scientific evidence; well it lacks irony because it is so typical.

Seriously, what are you talking about?
Did I pick a user name that was used before, or what? This is my fourth post here, ever.

No, there aren't any secret people who want you to disbelieve in how subliminal advertising works our minds.
Subliminal advertising (in the way people believe it works) is a MYTH, how many scientists and PR consultants would have to tell you that? Are they all together in some kind of giant international conspiracy? Don't believe in silly conspiracy theories just because a book tells you to...

There is just no basis what-so-ever for believing that we are all slaves under subliminal advertising! It's so silly.

It is your meme, not your moniker. How would you know how I think subliminal persuasion works? I mentioned a book, I explained that it focused on advertising, as opposed to political candidates.



See here for the remix: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3270746#3272338 Because I am not interested in trying to educate the likes of you.

I went to a hypnotism lecture and she suggested during commercials to MUTE the sound she says the whole process is to get to your unconcious

and think about it some commercials repeat over and over again while your watching the show... Mute the sound that will help

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I figured you would :eyes:

subliminal persuasion, it is a lot subtler than that.

C'mon, be reasonable in your expectations.

Not only would it do the gene pool a favor, but it would make the Internets so much more peaceful.

Not wishing anything good to your fellow human beings tonight, are ya?

One down, 2 to go...

I think this is worth pursuing - if that tape is not doctored, I think this is a bit more serious that the assistant on Faux News being fired for telling the truth (that they are the McCain "news" channel).

Anytime a Fox-topic creates a buzz on the net,
the Fox Agenda Rapid Response Team (F.A.R.R.T.)
springs into action!

Luckily, the FARRT team's average IQ hovers around room temperature,
so they're pretty easy to spot. (This thread being a fine example.)

...and my post gets deleted! :p

I tend to be skeptical of single sourced items found on the internet. When I say other sources, I don't mean other sites with the same video reuploaded, of course.

Assuming it is legit, I wonder would have been behind such a thing and what they thought they would accomplish. Would such a thing even work?

just to 'debunk' this. LOL

My jaw hit the floor. They are on it fast too. They must have some serious tentacles...I guess to make up for the lack of inchage in the nether regions. :P

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designed to pass below the normal limits of perception. these messages are unrecognizable by the conscious mind.

not a shot of mccain in a fox news whatever.

so if you actually do see this "subliminal" message, its not actually a subliminal message. you get that, right?

right?

Persistence of vision plays a key role in this. The human eye can see as many as 24 frames per second. If the images are in there less than that, they only perceive "something" was there. Slow motion makes the difference here. This is a case of subliminal messages, clearly.

Great catch!

I really do not watch the MSM...It is fucking evil. Faux Noise is the king of sleaze.

I would love to punch O'liely in the mouth.

C'mon guys. Kick this one up.

I can't find his email on MSNBC site anywhere!

that's the best screen name EVER!!!!

So a NYC's local fox affiliate shows a McManowar's face for a fraction of a second and that somehow means that Newscorp is under the impression that showing a small face for a super-short time will make people vote for the owner of that face? Jesus shiteating Christ... it's just embarassing that anyone on this board believes that this will influence anything in anyone. Can we be logical for just a day around here?

Olbermann's gonna laugh his ass off before crumpling this up and throwing it in the trash.

It's just normal for the "News" to try to send a subliminal message that they support one party over the other?

You have no issue with this?

...and who gives a fuck if it works - that NOT THE POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!

How can you possibly miss the point so completely??

in the spotlight lines of the logo.
That's what I thought you were talking about at first.
Either way, it's reprehensible. But Fox News is ... oh I don't even have to say it.

caught using subliminal messages in favor of their own political candidate. Right wing losers...

:)

Satan is a vegan for sure....

I hope someone calls them on it.