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El Pinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:13 PM
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"Ex-Gay" leader calls LGBT advocates "hate groups"



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Exodus Spokesman Resorts To Delusional and Paranoid Attack Against GLBT Advocates
Posted May 12th, 2008 by Wayne Besen
Stephen Black, an Exodus spokesperson, compared “ex-gay” watchdog organizations to Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan. Black, the leader of First Stone Ministries, an Exodus affiliate in Oklahoma City, used his personal blog to opine that “gay activists, liberal blog bullies and the liberal anti-Christ media machine…and Darwinism,” were determined to make ex-gay ministries illegal.

Exodus International is becoming more desperate and shrill as they lose their war against homosexuality. We call on Exodus to take action against Black and apologize for the group’s outrageous slander against GLBT advocates. These paranoid, mean-spirited and unfounded attacks are unethical and undermine Exodus’ claim that they love homosexuals.

“There are actual GAY hate groups who wish to silence the voices of ex-gays,” wrote Black on his blog. “These groups are like the brazenly named ‘Ex-Gay Watch’ and their klan of bloggers who use hatefully sarcastic words in addressing ex-gays.” Black went on to compare the work of ex-gay watchdog groups to Nazis and say – without evidence – that ex-gays were somehow being “stalked.”

“One merely need to lightly read over blogs like the “Ex-GAY WATCH” (yes, they are WATCHING and STALKING ex-gay leaders) and/or Wayne Besen’s blog and you will know we are living in very dark days….A very successful attorney friend of mine recently told me he felt it was like 1933 in Nazi Germany for Christians and Exodus type ministries in the USA. He seriously joked with me and said, ‘Stephen it is like 1933 and your last name isn’t Black, but Bernstein. Your ministries will be on the front-line of the next demonic wave of an anti-Christ movement in history. It is coming.’ WOW! It was a sobering moment.”
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:19 PM
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1. I feel so bad for all of my GLBT brothers and sisters...
who are brain washed in to thinking they are sick.
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El Pinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:25 PM
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2. There is a reason why LGBT groups are watching "ex-gays"...
...if you watch them for very long, it's only a matter of time before they head into a gay bar, or a peep-show frequented by gays looking for sex, or a rest-stop bathroom used for the same, or solicit gay sex online, or whatever.

I personally wouldn't support "ex-gay" efforts, even if I thought they worked, and even if homosexuality was 100% a matter of choice. So what if it was a choice? Why should people not be able to choose to love who they want? Because of some dusty old made-up storybook?

The notion that gay love is somehow inferior to straight love is so obnoxious, and the fact that these people use ancient superstitions to frighten people into joining their groups and to\ justify their harmful "therapies" is contemptible.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:43 PM
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4. science probably has more to do with modern societies
deep seated feelings about gays than religion.

it was science that classified us as sick -- it was science that led the nazis to round us up -- or here to stick us in sanitoriums or castrate us.

religion mosty understood gay and gay sex as just another in a whole host of sins.

the religious fundmentalism that has made such a big deal out gay folk today is a more recent phenomenon.
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El Pinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:23 AM
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5. "sins" - what an absurd concept.
The idea that mouth-to-genital or genital-to-genital contact could ever be a "sin". What ridiculous superstition.

And where did scientists first get the notion that homosexuality was something bad that needed to be cured? Could it be their ubringing in the ancient cults of Catholicism and Protestantism?

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:26 PM
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3. for the last two hundred years -- or close enough -- society has regarded gay folk
Edited on Mon May-12-08 11:27 PM by xchrom
as something like vampires, werewolves -- monstrous things lurking in shadows -- depraved and insuffcient people.

we've had 30 or so years in some sun and we're the 'nazi's'? the klan?

because we won't go back -- won't go back to castration and tar and feathering -- to ruined lives -- jailings without due legal course.

because we won't go back into the closet of heterosexual fear, and insuficiency.

whether the ex-gay movement likes it or not -- we are whole -- the poor souls they prey on are whole -- they just can't let go
of the heterosexuals contaminated inner fears.

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hulklogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:58 AM
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6. Fundagelical victimhood is the new wave.
I've never heard so many bigots claiming to be victims of "liberal oppression"!

The sad thing is, when they co-opt victimhood like this it completely devalues true discrimination. Maybe that's what they're trying to do. The next excuse will be "But everyone is a victim of oppression in some way!"

Assholes.
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