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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:46 AM
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Gotta love this...Analysis: House GOP hits new low, faces bleak Nov. (The Hill)
By Jackie Kucinich and Bob Cusack
Posted: 05/14/08 12:10 AM

The sky is falling on House Republicans and there is no sign of it letting up.

The GOP loss in Mississippi’s special election Tuesday is the strongest sign yet that the Republican Party is in shambles. And while some Republicans see a light at the end of the tunnel, that light more likely represents the Democratic train that is primed to mow down more Republicans in November.

In the wake of the devastating loss, the first question facing House Republican leaders is whether they will keep Rep. Tom Cole (R-Okla.) as NRCC chairman. Speculation has been rampant that Cole would be asked to step down should Republicans lose in Mississippi, and on Tuesday that chatter intensified.

House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) will be under tremendous pressure to do something dramatic after the trio of losses. Boehner has publicly clashed with Cole over staffing and lackluster fundraising numbers but despite their differences, their political futures are tied together.

Significant gains by House Democrats this fall would likely lead to Boehner and Cole losing their leadership posts. Travis Childers (D), who narrowly defeated Greg Davis (R) on Tuesday, will push the Democrats’ total in the House to 236 members. With six months to go until the elections, political analysts and observers are suggesting Democrats could reach 250 in the next Congress.

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http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/analysis-house-gop-hits-new-low-and-faces-bleak-nov.-2008-05-14.html
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:51 AM
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1. How many more seats do they need before they start to
restore democracy? 50? 100?
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:52 AM
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3. Good question n/t
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:59 AM
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4. They are solid right now
The majority can almost run roughshod over the minority in the House. It's the Senate that kills most stuff, that and Bush's veto power. But it doesn't hurt to pick up an extra 15-20 more seats in the House, for sure, it nullifies some of those middle of the road Dems who capitulate on certain things.

Things will look better if the House picks up some seats, the Dems get a filibuster proof majority in the Senate and a Dem is in the WH.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:07 AM
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7. So Pelosi can't say we don't have the votes for impeachment anymore?
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:24 AM
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8. well that depends on how many Dems are willing to go for it
She does have the votes if nearly all the Dems voted for it, sure. The numbers are in the Dems favor for sure, just how many would actually vote for it, who knows? Dems lack spine when it comes to this stuff, while Republicans lack shame. It's why Republicans found a way to impeach Clinton, they had no sense of shame and impeached the guy for something that wasn't even impeachable. If Dems wanted to they have the numbers to impeach Bush now, enough members don't have the stomach for it, even if they maybe thought it was the right thing to do. It's bullshit.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:42 PM
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22. So we joined the wrong damned party. Should we change the party name to the Whimps?
Nancy Pelosi (W)?
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 01:42 AM
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23. Yeah stand for the right things, don't have the courage to implement it
What a conundrum. :)
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:59 AM
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9. And there finally is an Irish Pope!
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:13 AM
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10. you don't think they'll pick up those seats
in the House and Senate and a Dem would be in the White House? It's pretty likely that it will happen, not sure what you're making that comment at.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:17 AM
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11. It's from a flick on WW1 and typifies the weary half-hoping of
the troops in the trenches that some mythic figure will end the war. It's also a matter of once bitten, twice shy amongst those of us who have been long in campaign trenches and feel burned by Pelosi and Reid inaction. I HOPE the best case scenario for the Dems plays out however!
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:38 AM
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12. oh right
No, I don't think the best case scenario in terms of what we want done will happen. Even if Dems pick up seats, the debate has moved so far to the Right since the rise of Movement Conservatism that it's not likely to be framed in another way for a while now. Dems need an actual movement. Much of what has transpired in terms of electoral victories comes from the implosion of Movement Conservatism. Today's GOP can't govern for shit. Look at the war in Iraq, the economy, Katrina and on and on and on. Movement Conservatism was virulent, they thought nothing of impeaching a president for partisan reasons, and they purged the apostates from their ranks. Dems capitulated to that over the years. Now whenever somebody talks about bipartisanship or reaching across the aisle, it's not Republicans reaching across the aisle, it's the other way around. When Bill Clinton passed the most effective job creation and economic package in our country's history, no Republican in the House or Senate voted for it. Not one. But instead of continuing to go in that proven economic direction, Dems will reach across the aisle and vote for an irresponsible tax cut and it's "bipartisanship."

So I don't see a best case scenario happening here, the status quo frames everything to the Right, but I do see a better case scenario. It will take a real movement to make a difference though, not just the implosion of the opposing one.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:10 PM
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17. I think the leftward movement will have to be spurred by
a concern for the deteriorating environment. The eight years of insane inaction by Shrub and minions for eight years has brought us close to some tipping points.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 09:33 AM
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15. Yeah, the Senate is the drag right now
We especially need more Senate seats.

Our Republican Senator, Gordon Smith, is polling below 50% in Oregon. We're working to get him out.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 03:02 PM
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20. I think it looks good
in several states. Hopefully Dems can at least pick up a few seats and nullify Lieberman. Right now, the majority is a tenuous one because they practically have to kiss his ass so he don't officially switch to the GOP.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:51 AM
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2. The see-saw is up for the Dems right now. May as well take advantage
while we can. Because sure as shit they'll figure out some way to get it back.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:01 AM
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5. More and more Americans of all stripe are seeing with clarity these days
Reality does not jive with RePubs Fantasy
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:03 AM
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6. Well goodness, they put their hopes and dreams in the village idiot.
Now the economy's in the shitter and we're dealing with Vietnam v2.0 To those bush-loving repugs I say we told ya so.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 05:33 AM
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13. It looks like George W. Bush was an agent for the Democratic Party all along.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 05:41 AM
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14. k+r Here's hoping we don't let our guard down. n/t
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KelleyKramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 09:48 AM
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16. What? ... 54%-46% is ... "narrowly defeated" ???

Since when did an 8 pt victory become "narrowly defeated" ??

The reality is that in a blood red district that Bush took by 25 points.. after the repubs pumped almost $2 million into it they were trounced 54 to 46.

I had heard that The Hill was biased, but sheesh!!

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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:34 PM
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21. I agree, Kelley. That's a thumping.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:17 PM
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18. I have an idea how the GOP can save itself.
Impeach the men that lead us to this disaster. They are your guys. If you want to restore even a small amount of respect for your party then impeach the bastards.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:22 PM
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19. 8 points is not a narrow win.
"Travis Childers (D), who narrowly defeated Greg Davis (R) on Tuesday"
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