Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

"Is the slide (into becoming a fascist police state) reversible?" This question is part of the...

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:07 PM
Original message
Poll question: "Is the slide (into becoming a fascist police state) reversible?" This question is part of the...
...last sentence in a Wayne Madsen editorial published today detailing his incredibly disturbing recent encounter with TSA screening personnel at Reagan National Airport.

Well, is it reversible?

And secondly, if so, can it be done working WITHIN the system?

-------------------------------

The Madsen piece:

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_3287.shtml

---snip---

What followed, was worse than anything I had previously encountered while leaving Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion Airport, itself a revolting display of ingratitude to citizens of the country that bankrolls Israel, or the Israeli-run screening process at Amsterdam's Schipol Airport.

First, I was instructed to enter a glass isolation chamber and point out my belongings that were exiting the X-ray machine. Anyone with claustrophobia would really enjoy being placed in such a chamber and have to speak to the screener through small holes in the glass.

I was then led to an area where all my carry-on bags were emptied. I was also forced to empty my pockets of everything. A bevy of screeners then proceeded to go through my wallet examining everything: cash, credit cards, VA medical benefits card, National Press Club card, voter's registration card, and driver's license. Then came an examination of my press credentials and related IDs: Investigative Reporters and Editors (IRE) card, Society of Professional Journalists card, National Archives research card, Library of Congress card, three press credentials, and membership card in Association for Intelligence Officers (AFIO).

In a blatant violation of the First and Fourth Amendments, my reporter's notebooks, containing names of contacts in Houston and around the world were paged through by the screeners. Another screener asked if I minded being probed in "certain private areas." He then asked if I'd like the examination to be conducted in private. I replied, "No, let everyone see this." He then proceeded to examine my groin area. . .






Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:09 PM
Response to Original message
1. No and no. The "system" has been distorted to the point where
it feeds on itself.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:41 PM
Response to Original message
2. what WM was asked -- put yourself in his shoes:
1. Are you feeling okay?

2. Where are you going today?

3. How long will you be there?

4. Why are you going there?

5. What story are you covering/

6. Who do you write for?

7. When did you move to Washington?

8. Where did you live before that?

9. What did you do for a living before?

10. Who was the most famous person you ever met?

11. What was the most famous event you ever covered?

12. What type of things do you write about?

13. What type of politics do you cover?

14. What is your place of birth?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:43 PM
Response to Original message
3. That is awful
and just reasding it made me angry. My friends all wonder why I won't come over these days. Used to love visiting your country for the music, dancing and just general hanging around - no more. What was I thought was wondeful is now just a truly sad state of affairs. I have a feeling there are many others like me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #3
19. While I wouldn't presume to tell you what...
Edited on Wed May-14-08 06:33 PM by Mr_Jefferson_24
...to do, Edward, it seems a shame to reject your friend's invitations as a result of the "truly sad state of affairs" they find themselves in.

Stuck captive of a dying empire here in the States, a nice cheery visit might be just what the doctor ordered -- for you and your friends. There's no requirement to swear allegiance at the border (at least not yet) and there's no telling how much longer relatively free international travel will be permitted -- judging by Mr. Madsen's recent experience, my guess would be not much.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 03:27 PM
Response to Original message
4. anyone grabs my"groin area"
Is gonna get clobbered. It's a trigger.I been messed with the wrong way by bad people too many times to trust anyone in that area. Guess I am not flying commercial than.I don't expect a proto facist asshole to "get it"and have the sensitivity that I have issues with being touched.Fuck them then .I wonder if those richy piggies flying around the hamptons get groped every time they hop a helicopter and FLY somewhere?

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/07/09/helicopters-and-the-hamptons/
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 03:34 PM
Response to Original message
5. June 3rd to 5th
Another trip down fascist lane..A national road check all fotr looking in your car,checking if anything amiss, looking in your stuff ,digging around all in the name of safety..Fuck.

'FROM JUNE 3, 2008, ABOUT 10,000 TRAINED AND CERTIFIED
OFFICERS WILL BLANKET THE ROADWAYS OF NORTH AMERICA TO
PREVENT TRUCK AND BUS ACCIDENTS AND SAVE LIVES. KNOWN AS
ROAD CHECK 2008, FEDERAL, STATE, PROVINCIAL, AND LOCAL
OFFICERS WILL BE CONDUCTING NORTH AMERICAN STANDARD
INSPECTION AROUND THE CLOCK FOR 72 HOURS FROM JUNE 3-5. THE
INSPECTIONS INVOLVE A COMPREHENSIVE 37-STEP PROCEDURE WHICH
INCLUDES ITEMS RELATED TO VEHICLE, DRIVER, AND CARGO
SAFETY.'
http://www.jjkeller.com/resourcecenters/roadcheck/home.htm

what makes them think digging through someones luggage ,book bags or whatever makes things safer??
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. All part of the conditioning process...
...we're presently being conditioned to accept the police state. It's being introduced slowly, incrementally, and even politely where there is no resistance.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #8
15. Conditioning is the operative word.
Normally I post links to Wikiality.com for the funny pictures, etc.

But this time, I'm gonna recommend the http://www.wikiality.com/Naomi_Wolf">Naomi Wolf page.

Beware, it is satire, but we've got all the links, including a youtube interview and a link to a guardian story that lists all 10 of the steps she says dictators/despots use to close an open society, or crush a democratic uprising.

Plus, it's got a picture of her during her interview with Stephen!


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. Pretty funny -- thanks for the link...
Ms. Wolf sauntered into The Eagle's Nest and fought her woman's instinct to pull a Jane Fonda. Her desire for Stephen was apparent by her display of cleavage and leg.

The problem with Wolf is that she's actually what is known as a 'super-milf' and because she's so smoking hot, her communist and downright wrong theories are made to look even more attractive when she says them on TV while flashing some leg and flipping her hair like girls will do.


At the risk of sounding sexist, I must say that Naomi Wolf is one attractive woman.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 06:19 PM
Response to Reply #15
17. I recommend it too!
:applause:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #17
20. Thank you.
We try to be funny. We also try to have fun.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 03:37 PM
Response to Original message
6. I wouldn't think the hassles of Airport Security is our number one problem
I mean this is pretty bad, but what about the theory that the President can do whatever he wants? What about surveillance of our phone calls? And so on and so forth.

That said, I believe that we are always going to be on the road to fascism, but that it is reversable.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. What about cops kicking your door down in the middle of the night?
It happens dozens, if not hundreds, of times a day in "the land of the free"..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:32 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. are you agreeing with me or disagreeing with me? n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #9
18. Just pointing out something which most Americans seem to be comfortable with
As long as it happens to "someone else"..

I don't think the slide to fascism is reversible, too many people, even here on DU, applaud the police state tactics in certain situations where they think it would never apply to themselves.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
T Monk Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:34 PM
Response to Original message
10. tj said revolution every twenty years
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. Yes, and it would seem we're overdue...
...and while Jefferson may have been referring to armed revolt, the revolution I think could be made to work would essentially boil down to massive non-violent non-cooperation with the State.

Yes, they'd make highly visible examples out of some, and that might be enough to scare the masses back into compliance, but what if it wasn't? What if the non-violent non-cooperation on a massive scale persisted indefinitely?

I don't suppose anyone can say for sure how this would shake out, but I believe sustained, well organized, mass non-compliance might be our only chance against this regime, and time is NOT on our side.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
T Monk Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. it's tempting to say more but now's the time to think about it and how an armed
Edited on Wed May-14-08 05:31 PM by T Monk
uprising would effect each of us individually and our families friends and communities and the nation we would end up as but that can also be said of a revolution with noncompliance as our weapon.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. To be sure, there is uncertainty and risk in any...
...remedial course we might undertake. I cannot imagine, however, the regime being anything but utterly delighted to see the sprouting of armed revolutionaries (sure to be labeled domestic terrorists) on U.S. soil. In fact, if something of this sort doesn't develop, I wouldn't put it past them to stage it themselves. It would provide the pretext/justification for all the Orwellian nightmare measures they're just dying to put in place -- permanently.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
avenger64 Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:35 PM
Response to Original message
11. Watching the media prop up Obama, I don't think so ...
... I especially think some of his misrepresentations of his positions on guns are scary.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue May 14th 2024, 02:19 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC