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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:14 PM
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Morale low over at Redstate.org
Edited on Thu May-15-08 11:19 PM by ginnyinWI
In a thread called, "Observing the Death of Our Party", I have lifted this most revealing comment:

We had control of both houses of Congress, and the Presidency yet failed to fill all judicial vacancies, failed to eliminate useless govt. agencies, failed to decrease spending along with decreasing taxes, failed to fix social security, medicaid etc. We failed to follow almost every principle that the Republican party under Reagan stood for.

We increased spending to buy votes. We didn't secure the border. Most every reason I vote Republican has been or is being repudiated by our current nominee or our previous Congress. I no longer trust Republicans to follow through on their promises or their rhetoric. With the exception of a few like Sen. Coburn I few them under the same lense as I've viewed most Democrat politicians. Lousy, lying, good for nothing, say anything to get elected, truth and integrity mean nothing, must stay in power, have no principles etc. etc...

I'm one of those "What's the matter with Kansas" Republicans; low income, lot's of children, extreme health ins. cost, who votes against my economic interest because the principles our country was founded on are not the socialist principles the Democrats espouse. I believe in God, I believe in Guns, I believe abortion is murder and I believe the courts have no business legilating from the bench.

I'm now so disilussioned by my party I'm ready to sit this one out or worse save the more than 30% of my disposable income being spent on health insurance and vote Democrat. With 7 dependants any increase in the tax rate want raise my taxes. As for my principles? My party seems to have lost those when they got in power.


I hope this person gets that help with healthcare for that big family. I really do. He/she knows they have been duped.

link: http://www.redstate.com/blogs/marcus_traianus/2008/may/14/observing_the_death_of_our_party
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KeithO Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:16 PM
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1. 7 dependents?
Did it ever hit you to stop at 3 or 4?
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:19 PM
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2. It is tough to help someone who routinely shoots you down at every turn. Let me demonstrate.
The old-school leftwing Democrats were pushing universal health care as early as the 1940s. FDR felt it was a human right. They wanted single-payer health insurance not simply because it achieves economies of scale (thus saving billions a year) but also because it covers everybody.

Yet, the problem with these kinds of Republicans is that even though they would readily vote Democrat over economic issues, they vote Republican simply because something such as single-payer health insurance is labeled socialism.

One of the worst things to happen to the left was the Soviet Union. Without that, there would never have been such a stigma on left wing ideas as there exists today in the US. You would have to leave the US to find a more receptive audience.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:19 PM
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3. They know they've been duped but they refuse to admit
it's their own ideals that are to blame for at least some of their problems.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:23 PM
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6. they vote based on the wrong reasons
For some reason they can be led around by the nose with wedge issues, all the while being fleeced economically and convinced that their party is the morally superior one.

Maybe it takes failure on a scale like this to wake them up. I know--not all will--there will always be hold-outs. But I think the moderates have had enough.
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:21 PM
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4. This is actually one of the saddest things I've read in quite some time..
...what jumps out at me is health care...this is a universal concern that affects everybody. Gays, God and Guns are "issues" for this guy, but health care is real.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:24 PM
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8. Yet, he won't accept universal health care. It's labeled "socialism" and tossed into the trash bin.
They are so deeply programmed against anything left wing.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:21 PM
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5. Sometimes we have to displease them
by abolishing the system their lying politicians have given them and showing them something better that actually works in practice as well as in rhetoric. Of course, I'm talking about national health insurance. They'll bitch, moan and howl for years but eventually even they will realize it's the right thing to do and they'll just grumble softly like they do in sane countries.

Yes, this guy knows he's been duped. What I wish for him is to learn what socialism really is and how only a mixed system can benefit all of us--capitalism to respond quickly to consumer matters and socialism to respond humanely to human matters.

What doesn't help any of us is a constant push toward an aristocracy of wealth in this country. Even the aristocrats have lost 60% of their wealth due to the fall in the dollar that bungling, irresponsible tax cuts have caused by increasing the deficit to near bankruptcy levels. The rest of us, this guy included, are in serious trouble and we know it. He isn't capable of connecting the dots. We are. We're the ones who will have to lead the way for him and those like him...whether or not they ever thank us for it.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:32 PM
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12. yep--The spectre of Communism
They still use it to scare poor saps into voting GOP. There was also a lot of resistance to other programs before they were enacted, if I'm not mistaken. Medicare, Welfare--and now they are accepted as the norm. It's about time we get a national healthcare system. Well past time.

Too bad they don't know more about the other extreme--Fascism--to be scared by what's going on here and now.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:35 PM
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14. I'm frankly surprised LBJ got Medicare passed at all. Democrats were far stronger in the past.
The American Medical Association vehemently opposed Johnson when he pushed through Medicare, arguing that essentially it was socialism.

I'm sure that if FDR had lived longer, he probably would've enacted some form of universal health care, perhaps even bona fide single-payer health insurance for all.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:52 PM
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23. FDR. That reminded me that I left out the biggest one--
Edited on Thu May-15-08 11:53 PM by ginnyinWI
Social Security. And now it's so accepted that even the most rabid right winger isn't about to give that up. Imagine what this nation would look like without Social Security!
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:23 PM
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7. "Low income, lot's of children . . . votes against my economic interest"
Gee, with such brilliantly perceptive analysis, it's hard to understand why this idiot is having tough times.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:28 PM
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9. There's a lot of pain there, and I'm sorry. I just wish we could reach them...but otherwise, please
...just stay home on election day.

Hekate
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:29 PM
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10. They never understood that the GOP had no interest in delivering on their promises
The GOP big shots ran their party like carnival barkers, where making the promises and collecting the votes of the easily conned was all that mattered.

If they HAD made good on their promises what would it have taken to get the rubes to vote for them in the next election?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:31 PM
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11. WOW! just WOW at least he admits it
the part about Kansas and voting against his economic interest

But we have also seen the power of propaganda... there is hope, a little of it, that perhaps not only this guy, but the country is waking up
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:35 PM
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15. I also see a glimmer of hope
Two terms of the most incompetent administration ever have finally exhausted them. Remember, they are used to being the winning party. Suddenly they are the losers. Nothing inspires a mutiny like low rations, low pay and bad leadership!
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:41 PM
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17. I see no reason for hope unless somebody enforces the Sherman/Clayton Anti-Trust Acts on news media.
They need to be smashed the same way Teddy smashed the oligarchs of the past. Otherwise, that kind of propaganda will continue to poison minds, and somebody has to do something about the right wing grip on radio.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 01:36 AM
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24. I've got many targets for that one
starting with the corporate media... the oil companies, you get the picture
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:32 PM
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13. "failed to eliminate useless govt. agencies"
Yet succeeded in creating more.

Office of Faith-Base Initiatives, for starters...
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:40 PM
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16. I can't get past "we increased spending to buy votes," Huh? So
that's the way they have won and know it? :wow:
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:43 PM
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18. Control of both houses of Congress, and the Presidency did not fail him...
Edited on Thu May-15-08 11:45 PM by Contrary1
Reality has hit this poster upside the head. His treasured Republic party has, in the last 7+ years openly flaunted what used to be a well kept secret. They don't care about the poor, the elderly, the hungry, or the unemployed unless it is an election year.

Here in Indiana, George's best bud Mitch Daniels, ran on a no new taxes platform. Since in office, taxes have been raised on income, restaurants, cigarettes, gas, sales, and property. All because the Democrats that preceded him screwed up the economy. Yeah, right.

There was a revolt of sorts last year with the new property tax rates. Many of the the lower income and retired folks had to decide what they could live without...prescriptions, food, utilities? Thousands of homes went up for sale, when there was no market.

In my area, I heard of one home owner whose property tax went up by over $20,000. He and other McMansion owners screamed bloody murder. Suddenly Mitch took notice. Something had to be done and quick. Can't have the state's movers and shakers aka: Repub donors, pissed off.

So he ordered that tax rates be capped. And the properties were reassessed. End result? My rates went way down. But, our assessment went up by $50,000 (no way my home is worth that much), plus somehow we lost a $10,000 exemption. I get to pay an additional $400+ a year to live in my own home, so that the wealthy won't have to needlessly suffer.

Just in time for the Decider's generous tax rebate. I doubt that it is a coincidence.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:44 PM
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19. A realist and a gopper .... How refreshing.



I never thought it would happen.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:47 PM
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20. I hope he gets healthcare, to fix...
What's wrong inside his head. Cognitive deficiencies are treatable. That boy gots a bad cognitive deficiency.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:48 PM
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21. a total tool awakens . . .
and looks around to see he's been had
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:51 PM
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22. "low income, lot's of children, extreme health ins. cost, who votes against my economic interest"


Textbook definition of the Lumpen Proletariat
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