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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 08:51 PM Original message |
Michigan's hurting worse than I've ever seen it. |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
1. This sounds so awful. |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
2. I have said it before and I will say it again. IF Obama and the Democratic party run on and deliver |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 08:41 AM Response to Reply #2 |
52. The progressive populist theme that Edwards ran on was ignored. |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #52 |
73. IGnored by the Corporate Controlled MEdia. Wait until Obama strikes that note in a Nationally |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
3. 7 years of complete inattention. (Maybe longer) |
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erinlough (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. As a Michigander |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Engler was like late-90's, right? |
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erinlough (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 09:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Yes, here's a link |
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noonwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 07:32 AM Response to Reply #6 |
48. 1991-2003 |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #48 |
72. Has there ever been one who didn't? |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Amen to all of that. |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 11:55 PM Response to Reply #10 |
39. The Repubs have also run Ohio |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 08:54 AM Response to Reply #39 |
57. That's true. Cleveland's doing better than Detroit, though. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 09:26 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. We also have a FLAT state income tax and a FLAT Detroit city income tax. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 09:28 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Empty houses everywhere, too. |
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MetaTrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. While my relatives are living in McMansions in Detroit's NW suburbs |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 08:30 AM Response to Reply #15 |
51. Maybe Detroit should not have an income tax? |
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judasdisney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 11:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
34. As an ex-Michigander, Michigan DESERVES its fate for re-electing Engler |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 08:56 AM Response to Reply #34 |
58. No, we don't. |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #34 |
83. Bullshit. Not all of Michigan deserves the crap we've been living through |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
82. Got that right. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
4. I've got the feeling there's a whole bunch of America that can relate. |
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rwheeler31 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
7. They will not listen. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 09:15 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. More and more of the Republicans I talk to are listening. |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. My Bush-loving neighbors... |
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Radio_Lady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
31. McCentury! That's priceless... however, didn't he whittle it down to |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 11:37 PM Response to Reply #17 |
33. They won't even be able to steal it. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
89. 'quaking in their Cole Haans....' |
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Olney Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
8. I visited there last week on business and it was what I heard from all the |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 09:16 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Many are leaving. |
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Olney Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. I'm sorry knitter. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #8 |
90. Make ELECTRIC CARS!!! |
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gulfcoastliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
11. Wow... that's horrible! |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. As a wise friend once said, "fuck george bush, fuck hillary clinton"! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
19. Sad to hear all of this .... GOP "third world America" . . . |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
20. Not to scare anyone but Florida is terrible right now too! Been trying for a yr to find a good job! |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 11:43 PM Response to Reply #20 |
36. I have heard that and told my mom friend about it. |
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pretzel4gore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
21. get Ted Nugent, the yappy hunter, to suggest something... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 11:19 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. WTF are you talking about? What "gopig victory in Michigan"??? |
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pretzel4gore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 05:56 AM Response to Reply #25 |
43. gopig victory in USA? |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 11:21 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. What GOP victory in Michigan? |
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pretzel4gore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 06:09 AM Response to Reply #26 |
44. poor Ted! He REALLY was a persecuted minority! |
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Batgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
23. If you read the business press |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 11:43 PM Response to Reply #23 |
35. My brother moved his company here. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 08:53 AM Response to Reply #23 |
55. They really want to join that race to the bottom, sounds like. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
24. I recently watched the PBS American Experience documentary |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
27. So far, Obama has little or nothing to say about the economy... |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 11:24 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. I'm pretty sure he'll be back here a few times before November......Just sayin' |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 11:27 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Right. But to use struggling Michigan as a backdrop to the Edwards' endorsement |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. But I think you missed his Town Hall at Macomb Community College earlier in the day.... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Well, it wasn't open to the public, and I didn't bother to watch the tape |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 11:53 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. Just watched the Youtube. The synopsis was accurate. Pretty underwhelming, imo. |
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pretzel4gore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 06:28 AM Response to Reply #29 |
46. i got an idea. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 08:23 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. You are entertaining, but COMPLETELY unhinged! |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #29 |
91. Obama is owned by The Corporation...his |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 11:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. I agree--but at least he did apologize for the primary crap. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 11:58 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. You would've thought some shot of economic populism would have been the quid pro quo for Edwards' |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 08:50 AM Response to Reply #40 |
54. I hope not. You might be right, though. |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 08:45 AM Response to Reply #27 |
53. Should have gone with Edwards. But noooo...... |
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yewberry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
41. MI is a state that scares me. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 09:00 AM Response to Reply #41 |
59. It is a national tragedy. |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:57 AM Response to Original message |
42. A Late Spring Didn't Help Either |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 06:11 AM Response to Original message |
45. I don't know what heating oil costs in Michigan, but in New Hampshire |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 09:02 AM Response to Reply #45 |
60. People have been talking about it. |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #60 |
68. We bought a pellet stove about 3 years ago and we love it. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. We used our fireplace a lot last winter in the real cold, too. |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. I gave up burning wood in the fireplace after I nearly burned the house down! |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Oh, man, that's scary! |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 07:28 AM Response to Original message |
47. I don't know where and of t MI folks on this thread live...but where I live and work.... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 08:25 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Cause/effect? Obama canceled his name on the Michigan ballot |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 09:05 AM Response to Reply #47 |
61. We're in Battle Creek. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:10 PM Response to Reply #61 |
74. Don't know whether to hope you're right or hope for general implosion |
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End Of The Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
56. There's hope for the next generation of Michiganders |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 09:07 AM Response to Reply #56 |
62. We're losing population, though. |
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End Of The Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 09:18 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. That's why I say "next generation" |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
64. Born in Detroit, raised in the 'burbs |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 10:04 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. People I've talked with say it is worse. |
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aint_no_life_nowhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #64 |
75. I'm with you |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
66. Indiana is hurting too. It's all part of the cheap labor republican plan |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #66 |
70. I'd been hearing that. |
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erinlough (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-20-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #66 |
93. What! didn't Mitch Daniels just say in his campaign commercials |
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emperor124 (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
67. I'm moving to Michigan this summer |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Come on up! Kalamazoo is awesome! |
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emperor124 (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-20-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #71 |
92. I'm going to Western |
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erinlough (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-20-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. As a graduate, WELCOME! you will love Kalamazoo! |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-20-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. Awesome!! It's a very good school. |
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emperor124 (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 10:35 AM Response to Reply #96 |
99. sounds fantastic. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
77. The destruction is purposeful. Destroy it, then buy it up on the |
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kittykitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
79. Really, what can save Michigan? How can a candidate make promises to bring back |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. Talking about it is a start. |
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erinlough (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-20-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #79 |
95. In my opinion, Tourism and technology |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
80. This is just awful. |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. Well Michigan is the precursor but no one wants to see it for what it is. |
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TWiley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
81. Did you notice the "Big Hole" downtown Petoskey? |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Sure have. And right now....I'm not too impressed with the Dem's either. |
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TWiley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 04:36 AM Response to Reply #84 |
97. Most of the problems face by the Dems |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. We saw that! |
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TWiley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-21-08 04:46 AM Response to Reply #87 |
98. I think it was a fraud from the start |
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galledgoblin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
88. Great Lakes states in general are hurting, but I agree, Michigan probably the worst |
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