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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:53 PM
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The Most Curious Thing - Why are you smiling? - NY times
Edited on Tue May-20-08 01:44 PM by Ichingcarpenter
A must read article that will shake you to your soul


>>>>>>>>>>>> snip







The story behind the photograph starts on Oct. 27, 2003, a little over a week before it was taken. On that day, two Iraqi employees of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) were killed in a bomb explosion outside the organization’s office in Baghdad.<3> Very early in the morning on Nov. 4, 2003, a group of Navy Seals (an acronym for Sea-Air-Land units) apprehended Manadel al-Jamadi, who was suspected of having provided explosives for the Oct. 27 bombing.

He wasn’t taken to Abu Ghraib immediately. First, he was brought to Camp Pozzi, an interrogation center adjacent to the Baghdad International Airport. Camp Pozzi was operated by the Seals but was also used by the C.I.A. Several hours later he was moved to Abu Ghraib – for some prisoners, an intermediate stop before rendition to Jordan.<4>

He was placed first in a holding cell on Tier 4B, interrogated, and then taken to the shower room on Tier 1B, adjacent to Tier 1A, the soon-to-be notorious hard site, where many of the prisoner-abuse photographs were taken. Certain details about what happened early that morning are well known from various investigations and reports. Here are two of them: (1) al-Jamadi walked into the shower room under his own power, and (2) one hour later al-Jamadi was dead.

What happened to him?


http://morris.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/19/the-most-curious-thing/?hp&reddit=yes

edited for the link again.


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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:15 PM
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1. Kick........ everything in the article is also backed up with PDFs
I started going into them but I had to take a break
it was too overwhelming.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:28 PM
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2. I don't think I can take it right now
I'll save this for later when I'm already in a shitty mood. But I'll K&R you just the same.
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ProgressiveFool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:46 PM
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3. K & R - very good read /nt
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2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:54 PM
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4. k&r
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:58 PM
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5. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, Ichingcarpenter.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 02:05 PM
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6. Just another reason why...
...the ones in charge should be held accountable, and not just the soldiers on the ground.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 02:17 PM
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7. i'm a giant Errol Morris fan (also Paul Ekman), and this essay shows why.
big k and r.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 02:19 PM
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8. ttt
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:17 AM
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9. Morning kick... I'm not kidding this is a must read
But do it on an empty stomach.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:35 AM
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11. Indeed--I hope everyone goes to the article rather than just reading your post.
That's a great find; my head is still trying to get around it.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:34 AM
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10. I don't know what to say, other than go after the top brass--the buck starts and stops with them.
Chilling--I almost sympathize with Ms. Harman.

Unnerving. Wow.

K&R
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:49 AM
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12. Indict everyone in the Principals Group who approved torture - Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Condi, et al.
Then indict the lawyers who wrote the memos justifying torture: Yoo, Haynes, Addington.

The military brass would be several levels down in that ladder of command responsibility.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:53 AM
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13. It is no doubt that the instructions came from much, much higher up
I hope I see justice in my time.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:20 AM
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14. I really like the fact that Bush admitted he approved what was decided by the Principals Group
Edited on Wed May-21-08 10:26 AM by leveymg
Kinda like Nixon admitting he knew about Watergate and Gemstone in advance. Would've saved everyone a lot of time and hassle getting the facts straight.

Where is Sam Ervin when we really need him? Oh well, everyone who gets pardoned in December and January gets a subpoena to testify in March and April. They won't be able to claim 5th Amendment protections. If they refuse to testify, they can occupy the same cell in Alexandria jail that Judy Miller once had. If they lie to investigators or grand juries, they can be indicted for OOJ and perjury. If they try to leave the country, they can be issued a court order as material witnesses and be added to the No-Fly list.

Then, there are all the civil suits! I can't wait for those! Some of the White House perps will be so broke after those trials they might wish the People of the United States had given them three meals, a cot, and a stainless steel crapper for the rest of their miserable lives.

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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:14 AM
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15. so much gets lost
thanks for focusing on the MOST important issue - the integrity of our constitution!
kp
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:04 PM
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16. Highly Recommended!
Thank you Iching!
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:47 PM
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17. This needs to stay near the top. nt
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:51 PM
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18. I'm speechless

A riveting article, thanks for this great find.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:02 PM
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19. Our job...
From the article:

Abu Ghraib is all about the blame game. M.P.’s blaming M.I. M.I. blaming the civilian contractors. And everyone blaming the “bad apples.” Harman didn’t murder al-Jamadi. She provides evidence of a crime, evidence that this was no heart attack victim. She took photographs to show that “the military is nothing but lies.” At the very least, to show that she had been lied to by her commanding officer. It is now our job to make sure that her photographs are used to prosecute the people truly responsible for al-Jamadi’s death.

.....

Thanks for a most important article, Ichingcarpenter. Perhaps we'll soon see the day when the federal penitentiaries are filled with Bush's henchmen.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:25 PM
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20. Please DU, read this. That is all. nt
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 06:12 AM
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21. morning kick - important
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