Becoming Fascist? The US Has Been Fascist Since 1948

T Monk

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Wed May-21-08 04:57 PM
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Becoming Fascist? The US Has Been Fascist Since 1948

The inception of the national security state with the establishment of the CIA and other secret government organizations loyal only to contractors and their benefactors(funded by black budgets and characterized by black projects) assured circumvention of our democratic ideals to the present day.

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Indenturedebtor

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Wed May-21-08 05:00 PM
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1. Well that's certainly when the slide began

There are definately different points on the scale, and that's when we began the slide.

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arcadian

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Wed May-21-08 05:03 PM
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2. One could argue that the United States has never been a democracy.

n/t

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OmmmSweetOmmm

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Wed May-21-08 05:07 PM
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3. The CIA was started with Nazis.

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Pavulon

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Wed May-21-08 06:49 PM
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6. British. The cia was the OSS before it was disbanded

after ww2. The OSS was based heavily on the experience of the british.

The CIA was established in response to the post ww2 climate, by white americans. Many of whom did not speak the languages spoken in the offices they ran.

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OmmmSweetOmmm

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Wed May-21-08 07:09 PM
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10. The CIA was put together with Nazis.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB146/

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Pavulon

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Wed May-21-08 07:14 PM
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13. No we used them

(poorly) to operate in eastern europe. Many were killed. The CIA could and can allow people to move here with no checks.

Legacy of Ashes is a good resource, one of dozens, that document how the CIA was created and who it used to further american interests.

The guys who built the Saturn V were former nazi party members.

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Trailrider1951

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Wed May-21-08 06:37 PM
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4. Yes, that's right, and they murdered the only president

who dared to stand up to them. Acquaint yourself with DUer Octafish.

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T Monk

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Wed May-21-08 06:46 PM
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5. i read octafish's posts before joining thanks and you're right

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Pavulon

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Wed May-21-08 06:51 PM
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7. Who ran operations

for the CIA during JFK's presidency? What civilian was most involved it its day to day operations?

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timtom

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Wed May-21-08 06:59 PM
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8. Allen Dulles?

George H.W. Bush?

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T Monk

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Wed May-21-08 07:01 PM
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9. dulles but hw was there at the schoolbook depository looking furtive

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Pavulon

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Wed May-21-08 07:10 PM
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11. RFK

was involved in daily operational planning. Killing his own brother was not high on the list. Kennedy had a good grasp of the agency at the time of his death.

He was involved in operations in S. Vietnam and Cuba, post bay of pigs.

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T Monk

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Wed May-21-08 07:14 PM
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12. the cia op to get castro was retooled to get jfk unbeknownst to bobby

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Pavulon

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Wed May-21-08 07:17 PM
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14. Not quite..

Edited on Wed May-21-08 07:18 PM by Pavulon

Monk while creative, did kill himself with opium...

RFK was instrumental to forming and carrying out policy with the CIA. These were the old days, when they could, and did, assassinate leaders of states.

An argument could be made for a cuban or russian backed assignation of kennedy.

However we will never know. To many lies.

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T Monk

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Wed May-21-08 07:35 PM
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16. stroke died in his sleep 1982 bobby knew after the fact

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Pavulon

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Wed May-21-08 08:40 PM
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18. CIA lied, hid the operation

after it blew up Kennedy used the agency (and it used him). RFK was part of its day to day operations. Nothing wrong with that but it is a historical fact.

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Junkdrawer

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Wed May-21-08 07:18 PM
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15. We tried to turn it around in 1978. That's when Big Oil, the CIA, the Saudis and Pakistan...

decided to conduct foreign policy as a separate quasi-state.

9/11 was this quasi-state regaining full control of the US government.

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Octafish

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Wed May-21-08 08:43 PM
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20. Exactly. President Carter nominated Theodore Sorensen to head CIA...

...and the Powers-that-Be on Capitol Hill slimed him in the press and shot him down after a protracted battle. To their great shame, there was very little support for the new President and his choice of JFK's liberal speechwriter from the Democratic majority in either the Senate of the House.

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Octafish

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Wed May-21-08 08:36 PM
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17. What's different know is we got the Internet.

All the tubes make it possible for more and more of We the People to know what's what and who's who in the current situation. That's the first step needed, in order for We the People to take action against these treasonous bums who've hijacked the U.S. Government -- Our, as in We the People's, Government.

Once a big enough percentage of We the People are aware, it's "Guten Abend, Hermann!"

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mdmc

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Wed May-21-08 08:42 PM
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19. well, you can't say Commander in Chief Dwight D. Eisenhower didn't warn us

:shrug:

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