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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:27 PM
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On PBS: Pelosi just said "the election was never about the popular vote" but
Edited on Wed May-21-08 05:29 PM by Breeze54
But she said the opposite in March. :shrug:

News Summary

May, 21, 2008

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/

A synopsis of the news of the day


Campaign '08
An update on the latest news from the campaign trail in the wake of primaries in Kentucky and Oregon.

Newsmaker: Nancy Pelosi
Judy Woodruff talks to House speaker Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., about the state of the Democratic race
and legislative standings on the Hill.


Witnesses to War
A report on recent allegations by returning war veterans of widespread misconduct by U.S. forces in Iraq.

Gender and Education
A closer look at a new report debunking long-held assumptions on the differences in how boys and girls
achieve in education.

Exploding Star
Astronomers for the first time have caught a star in the act of exploding, called a supernova.
A scientist offers insight.

*Segments subject to change


Voters should not be overruled, Pelosi says

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/17/voters_should_not_be_overruled_pelosi_says/

Superdelegates warned to heed contest results


Bloomberg News / March 17, 2008

WASHINGTON -

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the Democratic Party might be hurt if leaders do not nominate the presidential
candidate preferred by voters in primaries and caucuses.

"If the votes of the superdelegates overturn what happened in the elections, it would be harmful to the Democratic
Party," Pelosi said
in an interview taped two days ago and aired yesterday on ABC's "This Week" program.

More...


I get her drift but :shrug:

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Ashy Larry Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:30 PM
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1. Pelosi is including the voters in the caucus states
as she should. They showed up just like everybody else. Hillary wants to disenfranchise them.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:31 PM
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2. Are you watching it?
Edited on Wed May-21-08 05:31 PM by Breeze54
?

I think she was referring to MI & FL.
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Ashy Larry Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:38 PM
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6. I'm refering to her previous statements
about respecting the will of the people and so forth. The statements that you think contradict what she said on PBS. I'm saying there is no contradiction. The will of the people is that Obama is the nominee. More people have showed up to support him than Hillary. If you include everybody I mean. Is there a reason Hillary does not want to count the people of Iowa?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:59 PM
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13. I'll have to watch the re-run on PBS later...
I was just asking if you were also watching that interview at the same tome as me.

It just seemed like she was contradicting herself.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:32 PM
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3. Exact same thing - why intentionally distort it??
The voters who are electing pledged delegates, that's what she has meant all along. Don't act stupid.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:53 PM
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9. I am NOT intentionally distorting anything and it isn't the same thing
FU!
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:32 PM
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4. She is talking about pledged delegates. Pledged delegates represent the
peoples votes in the two different systems - caucuses and primaries.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:36 PM
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5. You have misunderstood what Nancy Pelosi...
Edited on Wed May-21-08 05:40 PM by TwoSparkles
...said and what she meant.

When Nancy Pelosi said, "the Democratic Party might be hurt if leaders do not nominate the presidential
candidate preferred by voters in primaries and caucuses," she was referring to the candidate who was
winning the race. She was not talking about the "popular vote" as you are insinuating. The "popular
vote" has NEVER been a metric that determines the winner. The delegate count does.

Clearly, that's what Pelosi was talking about.

Do you remember the context of Pelosi's comment? I remember it succinctly.

Hillary was suggesting that even though Obama may be ahead in pledged delegates and popular vote--that
the Superdelegates could overturn their decision. Hillary constantly remarked that the will of the
Superdelegates should be respected, and that their opinions could possibly be the opposite of the
pledged delegates.

This was back when Clinton had a big Superdelegate lead, and when she also thought she had the majority
of the Superdelegates locked down and in her corner.

Pelosi appeared on several talk shows to discuss how unfair it would be if the Superdelegates usurped
the will of the people, and took the win away from the candidate who was winning. Again, "win" to
everyone (except Hillary Clinton and her mouthpieces) means being ahead in the pledged delegates.

Nowhere does Pelosi suggest that the popular vote should determine anything. She was talking about
pledged delegates.

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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:41 PM
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7. The DNC rules say it's the delegate count.
Edited on Wed May-21-08 05:47 PM by BattyDem
ALL candidates agreed to those rules.

Those rules have been in place for decades. If the rules are changed now - AFTER all the votes have been cast - the Democratic party will explode.

No candidate has ever thumbed their nose at the rules and the DNC like Hillary has. She and her surrogates are putting out false information and getting people riled up about the "unfair" rules that SHE agreed to. We are 61 delegates away from having a nominee and she is intentionally trying to split the party, so Obama can't win ... but if she succeeds if having the rules changed and she ends up with the nomination, she won't win either.


According to this post, the party has no intention of changing the rules in the middle of the game. :-)

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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:46 PM
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8. Pelosi is for Obama deal with it!!!!! Woo HOOO Pelosi club will come out for Obama this week!!!!!!!
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:53 PM
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10. and McCain will be in the WH come January!!!!!!! Deal with it!!!
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:10 PM
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16. I don't care, I hate this country, people get too emotional and let jackasse run it. so whoopdee do.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:57 PM
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11. Wow!! Is it ok with you, Heather, if I notice and ask a question
about what appeared to me to me a discrepency in what she said?

Deal with it? Oh, another one that assumes if anyone asks
a question about this topic they MUST be for HRC? :eyes:

You know what they say about people who ass-u-me, Heather?
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:08 PM
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14. Yes I am an ASS woo hoo, but so are your, according to your calculation, deal with it!!!!
Edited on Wed May-21-08 06:12 PM by Heather MC
:rofl:
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:58 PM
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12. You're distorting the headlines. She is plainly clear about the Super Delegate issue.
The primaries and the caucuses have yielded the results thus far, and she says to override the results of the votes would undermine the party.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:09 PM
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15. I always thought the point of superdelegates
was that they are suppose to overturn what happens in the elections... perhaps the party should dump the idea if they aren't willing to actually use their own system.
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