McCain Tells Ellen DeGeneres: You Shouldn’t Have The Right To Get Married

McCain Tells Ellen DeGeneres: You Shouldn’t Have The Right To Get Married

Yesterday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) taped an interview with Ellen DeGeneres, which airs today. Ellen, who recently announced that she plans to take advantage of the California Supreme Court’s recent gay marriage ruling and wed her longtime girlfriend, actress Portia di Rossi, pressed McCain on his stance on gay marriage.

McCain said that he opposes gay marriage, but said couples should be able to allowed to enter into legal agreements:

McCAIN: Well, my thoughts are that I think people should be able to enter into legal agreements, and I think that is something that we should encourage, particularly in the case of insurance and other areas, decisions that have to be made. I just believe in the unique status of marriage between man and woman. And I know that we have a respectful disagreement on that issue.

DEGENERES: Yeah, I mean, I think that it is looked at, and some people are saying that blacks and women did not have the right to vote. Women just got the right to vote in 1920, blacks didn’t have the right to vote until 1870, and it just feels like there’s this old way of thinking that we’re not all the same. We are all the same people. All of us. You’re no different than I am. Our love is the same.”

The audience was largely silent for McCain’s remarks, but cheered loudly after Ellen spoke. Watch it:

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that when she digs her heels in and stands up to one of these jerks, it packs a real wallop. Honestly, who'd want to deny her any civil rights?

It's like denying Bambi flowers to smell.

...but I can assure you, people in Ohio and Pennsylvania and West Virginia agree with McCain on this issue.

And they'll decide the election this year. No doubt about it.

...how many schoolteachers and social workers and public employees are in your family?

And how many salesmen and small businesspeople and corporate managers and accountants?

Hmmmmmmm??

business people will vote for Obama? Better check out how much money he's raised. I don't think it's all from social workers.
You're making some pretty big conclusions, based on what? Nothing but your own prejudices?

you are.... BTW, my family are all people and they all vote.

Funny, I'm a teacher and know plenty of teachers that are pro gay marriage. And I live in the reddest part of a red state. Go figure :eyes:

that this country is currently worried about other things at the moment.

...that's not what my real estate agent told me last night when I saw her in the neighborhood. She's originally from West Virginia (WVU grad, the works) and a friend of hers who still practices law in Morgantown says there's absolutely no way West Virginia and probably Pennsylvania will vote for Barack Obama for President of the United States.

And since about a quarter of NE Ohioans can trace their heritage to Appalachia, you may well include Ohio in that group.

This is over. It was over at Super Tuesday when we saw the media were in the tank for Obama.

Hillary might have won those states. Obama can't.

She's in good health as far as we know, so she'll be back in 2012. My prediction is she'll win then.

You should post your last post as a thread in GDP.

My co-worker's sister told a friend of mine that they heard from their hairdresser that this would be a good idea.

stories are cute. But useless. They're like the "I know a Marine who served in the Clinton White House and the Clintons were really mean"...or the taxi driver stories. There's no substance here. Just more hate-radio type fiction over fact. You have no idea what states Obama can win. Most people haven't even become familiar with Obama. At least leave your idle speculation until after Obama debates McCain. That's when middle America will really get to know the man. The reality is more important than your "real estate's friend" I just made this up to make my point silliness.

...knows him and they supported Hillary in the primary.

That's the problem and it will continue to be the problem.

won rather overwhelmingly there, despite my own support for John Edwards (see sigline)!

Afterall, Romney and Huckabee kicked McCain's ass in middle America. So...what now? Middle America won't vote for either McCain OR Obama? Guess those states which handed Obama 13 wins in a row are just SO elitist.
Also disagree that Middle America KNOWS Obama. They don't. But they will. Clinton is a trademark. They know her. Give Middle America a chance to know the man. He doesn't come, like Hillary, with a built-in audience. He hasn't been in the public eye like Hillary has for the past 20 years.
As far as who people support in the primary...what about the people who supported John Edwards? (like me). We still vote. Just because our guy/girl is out doesn't mean we don't vote. And you think we'll vote for McCain? That's McCrazy.

...what will happen is that a lot of Dems will stay home this time.

I also think a lot of 'Pubs will stay home this time.

You can't really blame any of them.

Dems are showing up in record numbers. The primaries have been jammed. And you think Dems will sit this one out? 75,000 people showed up for Obama in Oregon last weekend. 75,000. Here in Georgia, we're predicting a record turnout for the general election. Officials throughout the country are already concerned about how to handle the turnout. But what do they know? You're predicting people will stay home. Maybe you also heard this from your "real estate's friend." Here's a suggestion. Turn off Fox News. Turn off the hate-radio. Go to Kos' site. Watch Olberman occasionally. Pickup the New York Times or the Washington Journal. The truth will set you free.

who's a lawyer says so, IT MUST BE TRUE! XD

and Vermont? Or Nebraska, Montana, Idaho. The truth is, no one right now knows how this election is going to play out. The pundits have been consistently wrong. This country has changed dramatically. The "old math" just doesn't work. People younger than 30 don't even have land lines. (I don't. I only use my cell. And I'm well over 30.) So, we don't get polled.
So, as far as "deciding the election", no one knows. This is a huge country with millions of people. It all depends on who shows up.
(by the way, the Dems just took 3 run-off elections in heavily Republican areas. Including, Mississippi (!).
(Meanwhile, Karl Rove had THE math for the mid-terms. And he scored an F on his math test.)

I've been here my whole life. I voted for Obama in the primary and will do so in the GE as will the rest of my family.

including my Marine son.

They're not all inbred bigots.

...quite frankly, a lot of them are.

I grew up there. I know them. I'm related to them.

OH Pop. 11,478,000

PA Pop. 12,441,000

WV Pop. 1,818,000

"I grew up there. I know them. I'm related to them."

...you are an idiot, a bigot, an asshole, and a right-winger.

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Do you really think they're in the majority there?

Idiot Freeper.

;) It's the "respectful disagreement" comment that gets me.

"Oh yes, I'd prefer that you sit at the back of the bus, but that's just a respectful disagreement, of course. We respect one another right? I mean, I think you're scum and all...But we can be "respectful" about it, right?" :eyes: What an ass!

Imagine McCain telling Rosa parks "You have no right to sit in the front of the bus."

It's funny how these people (McCain and ilk) do not get that this is EXACTLY like the civil rights struggle. It needs to happen now, all over the country. I don't care if some people are uncomfortable or if it will lose Democrats some races. We need to shove it down the homophobes's throats. Otherwise it will NEVER happen.

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Very well said--despite the war in Iraq which is draining our coffers dry, domestic spying, torture, the horrible economy, and the even more horrible nitwit in the Oval Office right now, to hear the fundagelicals talk you'd think that same-sex marriage is The Worst Thing Ever™ and will kill us all. Kudos to Ellen for putting it succinctly enough that even the right-wing religious wackaloons can understand it.

he had to know the topic would come up. He simply had to have a better sounding answer, or stay off the show.

wants to get married legally and he would deny her that but him dating while married is a ok with him.

Someone on Myspace dragged out that old argument that marriage laws are not really discriminatory because a gay person has the same right to marry the opposite sex as a straight person.

It occurred to me then that the ones who REALLY don't respect "traditional" marriage are the conservative zealots. They're postion is that a marriage is sacred even if it is loveless and even hateful as long as the sexual parts fit together a certain way. They see marriage as nothing more than permission to engage in a mechanical act. Any thought of partnership, happiness or fullfulment is irrelevent. On the other hand, a mature, happy, stable and devoted couple has no value if the gonads do not hook together. The perspective demeans marriage far worse than the mere unconventional ever could.

The only justification that exists to oppose gay marriage is religious. That was the only justification to oppose interracial marriage too until that restrict was abolished. While we are on it, it was the sole basis to oppose women's sufferage too and the abolition of slavery too.

think of the children! </sarcasm>

ask any of em. They don't care about the relationship. It's procreation. Never mind the obvious fact that the human race doesn'ty have issues with procreating in or out of wedlock, that not all hetero couple have children, and God forbid.... there are plenty of children being created by and raised by GLBT couples (we would rather pretend they don't exhist than offer them the stability and protection of living within a state sanctioned marriage).

That guy I mentioned pulled out the old incest and bestiality cards, of course. Can't win? Change the subject!

...Ohio and Pennsylvania are very Catholic and there's no upside to going there and advocating something those people have been told is a mortal sin since childhood.

If that weren't enough, just look at the makeup of the Supreme Court. It's Catholic heaven.

It's not the United States of northern California and Massachusetts. It's the United States of America.

Is the most Catholic state in the country and the majority of RIlanders are pro gay marriage -- and that includes our two senators.

And while I agree Obama will not win PA or WV, stop blaming it un us GLBT'ers -- I am so goddamned sick of getting blamed for the lame ass democrats losses.

Obama is going to be the nominee and he's going to lose the general.

And again, us queers are gonna get blamed.

Well fuck that!

Obama never should have run in the first place - he should have waited but no, he had to be president now, putting his ambitions before the greater good.

And how did a thread about the BEAUTIFUL inside and out Ellen turn into a goddamed blame the gays for the election loss thread?

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He's accusing us of destroying the Democratic party. We who give money disproportionately and who support the Democrats over Republicans by the widest margin of any group. I do believe that's who he's accusing of destroying the Democratic party.

I'm sitting this election out. At least at the top of the ticket. I'm done giving my blood sweat and cash to support a party of whom it can only be said - at least they don't hate us openly.

I'm so sick of being told to wait for human rights. Period. I'm not going to do it any more.

And Obama's a big old homophobe. Like he has any intention of supporting equal rights.

Hell, his own demonination is pro marriage equality, yet he himself says he can't support it because of his "religion."

Hell, his own demonination is pro marriage equality,

Snarf!

Of course, you're referring to the Episcopal Church, of which McSatan had been a member all his life -- until he saw which way the political winds were blowing, and jumped into bed (ouch! poor choice of words :evilgrin: ) with the likes of Rod "Islam is a false religion" Parsley and John "God destroyed New Orleans because Southern Decadence was coming up" Hagee.

...do you know the difference between an Episcopalian and a Catholic?

Fifty grand.

I heard that joke years ago from a friend of mine in Cleveland. I almost fell off the couch in laughter.

I thought I was being clever -

And I'm talking about Obama who belongs to the most accepting christian demon-ination there is, yet personally feels "uncomfortable" with marriage equality.

Well, Mr. Obama, lots of people felt "uncomfortable" with your mother's marriage to your father. Sure as hell didn't make them right - cause their good book told 'em to hate.

And I'm one of those thar militant atheists - my agenda is for people to keep their god out of my life. That's the extent of my militancy.

Do you really think he would veto a bill promoting equal rights for gay people?

Come on. :eyes:

Unfortunately for some issues it's best that politicians avoid them until they get into power. I'm quite certain that the judges he will appoint will uphold any laws that states pass to legalise gay marriage, and to extend hate crime legislation. And I do think he has promoted expanding the hate crime legislation?

Whether we want to face it or not we do have a lot of ignorant assholes in the party who see gay marriage as a "religious issue". We still need them to vote for us in the fall. Helping Rove et al drive ignorant assholes to the polls by taking a huge principled stand on the issue is not going to advance the cause.

Hillary would have lost WV and KY in the GE in any case. The same percentage of democrats that said they wouldnt vote for Obama, voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004. Do you really think they would have voted for Hillary?

Not bloody likely.

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Anyways.... WTG Ellen!

I can't vote for Bush III, but that doesn't make O. any better.

Do you have anything valid to add to this discussion, or do you merely have pisswarm venom to spew?

"gaspee" *IS* the party.

You're something else entirely.

...is going to be increasingly frustrated as the Electoral power of the south expands over the next decade.

I work in the public sector in San Francisco and I hear it every day. A third of our staff is gay and every four years, the whining and crying and gnashing of teeth goes on for six to twelve months.

You need to get on a place and go to Dallas or Houston or Atlanta for a weekend and see what goes on there. You're dealing with a group of people who are so powerful and so wealthy and so influential that I think it's really beyond your understanding.

I lived down there for quite awhile. I know those people. That's why I say what I say.

to judge the depth of my understanding, but judgmental folk are seldom qualified for what they do most.

I've lived in the Atlanta area for 17 years, thank you.

I'm quite familiar with the Ansley Park neighborhood as well as Piedmont Park.

I also am *most* familiar w/ the fundamentalist xians in the south. Of the 11 houses on my block, 10 are fundies.

Ignorant, judgmental, and arrogant. Amazingly like your posts.

I hope gaspee and their ilk don't have to put up with the ugliness and hateful "legal" discrimination much longer, but they'll still have to deal with the likes of you. Bigotry abides.

The only 1 in this 3-way likely to be disappointed come November is you. And you have no real relevance; hence, your vitriol.

...I mentioned, Atlanta is by far the most progressive. Houston can be okay in certain areas. Dallas is fascistic.

Don't pretend you're interested in a serious discussion.
You've dissed a DUer over his/her orientation and you've flame-baited in a thread about a marvelous lesbian icon.

Hopefully the alerts will be responded to soon.

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Just when I didn't think you could be more of an ass.

Hey newsflash, condescending asswipe -- I've lived in rural Texas (Brewster County) and I've lived in Ocala, Florida.

So why don't you tell me how I'm too stupid to "understand" your point.

Oh, and I've also spent ten years living in San Francisco. Owned a house on Golden Gate Ave. That's the Western Edition if you are thinking about calling me an elitist. Oh and in the days *before* gentrification.

I've probably been more places in my lifetime than you've heard of, so again, please tell me how I couldn't possibly understand.

I'm just a stupid queer (with an IQ in the 99.5th percentile) and two degrees (one from Brown and one from Berkeley.)

But hey, go ahead and call me stupid again.

Why the fuck am I interacting with a troll? Gah!

And I'll hit alert on anyone else who says the same thing.

'When you ask for equal rights you help destroy the Democratic party' IS NOT A PROGRESSIVE VALUE.

By the way: I don't give a shit what religious people in general think of gay marriage- I will do everything I can to cram it down their throats if necessary. IT IS NOT NEGOTIABLE. Get it now? I don't care what anyone's religion thinks about it. I don't care if they call it a sin. I don't care if their god disapproves. I'm not of their religion, their sins don't apply to me, and neither does their god. Those thing apply to them, not the rest of us (I feel the same way about liquor sales on Sundays and other 'blue laws', just in case you were wondering). I will work to force them to allow it in front of a justice of the peace, kicking and screaming all the way, if I must. So will an entire forum of other people here at DU.

Your attitude can go pound some sand. I'm hitting alert for this attitude this time and every time from now on. Everyone who thinks the way you do had better get used to it.

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He has an agenda, and he's a 1-trick pony.

Well, not that astute.

Catholics, as a statistical stratum of the voting block are identically in diversity to the overall population. So, there are just as many catholics who have no negative issue with gay marriage as in the overall population. This has been true on nearly every issue (even including abortion) for the last 6 presidential elections.

You're talking through your hat on this issue. You're an Obama hater. I get it. That doesn't mean you know what you're talking about.
The Professor

I know it's an uphill battle.

enjoy your stay

You're hardly unique in noticing that many Americans oppose equal rights.

The question is whether you're content with the status quo or whether you think America could be a better place. Many Democrats are motivated by their belief in the latter.

bigots wrt GLBT rights, don't you?

And caving to those who do not believe in equal rights for all of our citizens only strengthens the bigots.

I have far more faith in people than that. This isn't an issue of religion. It's a simple issue of civil rights. And reasonable people are able to see that. The rest will come around. Or their children will.

Yet he would deny the rights and privileges of marriage to others because . . . ?

She's a conservative too, of course.

He's one of the worst - his wife waits for him while he's a POW and then after she's disabled in an accident he finds himself a wealthy trophy wife. What a colossal asshole.

...and Ross Perot said the same thing.

You're right. Once a sailor boy, always a sailor boy.

that makes it different. How any sane person could vote for him boggles the mind. What happens when Gay marriages out last the marriages that are between as man and a w9man. 50% end up in court.

I had half the grace and composure she does. She got her point across I think, and then when he stumbled lightened it up by joking about him walking her down the aisle. I <heart> Ellen.

I wouldn't've been able to do that. I would've slapped his smug face.

woulda been mighty tempting.

of influential women to me personally LOL

it includes :
shuttle commander Eileen Collins
Ani Difranco
Rosa Parks (being booked)
and Alice Paul and Lucy Burns and someone else fighting for womens votes

McSame = "Old School".

will go to charity.

That supposes that all people involved respect one another. However, when Person A is denying Person B basic human civil rights, I fail to see the "respectful" component of "respectful disagreement."

In the end, civil rights wins out. I don't know why we have to go through the song and dance every single time with the same group of people (and it always is that same group of people.) Yet, mark my words, 30 years from now, they will produce calendars and propaganda claiming that they are the true pillars of LGBT rights (...remember the calendar a while back where republicans claimed that they were the ones who fought for voting rights and equality for the African-Americans during the Civil Rights era? :eyes:)

Quite an assumption there, McCain.

She was too polite to mention it, though.

Fuck that equal time shit! An entertainment show has no obligation to give air time to the enemy. Though She does expose him for the scumbag he is, too many gullible knuckledraggers will go along with anything the right wingnuts tell them and it just further fuels their hate.

People love Ellen- and I am sure there are plenty of homebound homophobes who have become more open minded about homosexuality because of her. Good for Ellen for showing the world what a bigot he is.

:wtf: This is embarrassing! One would think that we would have evolved enough to LIVE AND LET LIVE! I don't get it!

I realize that for the republican leaders, this is a wedge issue, just something to run on.

But what about the rank and file pubs? What the hell is wrong with them? They don't like anyone telling them how to worship, or if they can own guns, etc.

Why can't they relate to other peoples' individual freedoms? Who the hell cares who marries who?

Maybe the government should confiscate their outdated bibles? Just a thought? :shrug:

:yourock:

they are not afraid of gays, even the fairly conservative ones, even if their pastor tells them to be afraid.

As people become more familiar with out gays, the fear-mongering is just not resonating with younger folks (though there will always be some teasing and abuse the way you call your Irish friends drunks and your Italian friends organ grinding monkeys).

Though I do know a few Baptist types back home who still shudder (literally, and dramatically) when "gays" are mentioned. Yet they tolerate obviously gay people in their midst if those people are VERY discreet, and pretend it isn't obvious. Weird.

after living in LA for years and having lots of gay friends, there were guys (and gals) who were Harvey Feirstein gay and nobody noticed.

public figures who can do a world of good on this issue. You can't marginalize her as strange - she's become too loved by regular folks for that.

I loved her reply to him. The thing is there IS no rational arguement against same-sex marriage. None at all. He's got nothing, but will cling to prejudice because he thinks he needs the bigot vote to win. He's probably right, and isn't that sad?

Now how about our Democratic candidates get a bit more of a spine on the issue?

It's a great way for us personally to celebrate: listening to others claim their given right to love one another and join in marriage.

K&R for Ellen and Portia. Give McCain a pillbug sandwich.

claim that while they wouldn't try to outlaw it marriage should be between a man and a woman.

The Republicans are just more consistent on this one I'm afraid

Most Democrats and Republicans could care less about gay marriage. The Republicans framed it better over the last decade, but now realize they need to move on to another group to rattle the base.

:)

People can call it what they like, marriage, civil union, who gives a rat's ass? It's still a legal contract, and it's no one else's business who enters into one so long as they're not already married.

It's a civil right, and that's a fact.

Homophobes scare me!