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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:16 PM
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Injustices of the world? Where do I post where others give a fucking damn??
CUZ NO ONE HERE SEEMS TO GIVE A FUCKING G-D DAMN.
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kdmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:20 PM
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1. Which injustices?
There are so many.. the fact that we allow poverty in "the richest country in the world", the war in Iraq, the way our freedoms have been stolen.

Which ones would you like to talk about?
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:28 PM
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3. Thise one *necklacing*
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kdmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:33 PM
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4. I can see why what would upset you
It would upset anyone. I would also point out that, in that same article, there were other horrible injustices that you don't really seem too concerned about.

While I admire your attempt to get people to pay attention, that isn't the only issue in the world right now. What about this?:

"The victims are mainly immigrants and refugees from other parts of Africa, including Zimbabwe, where a devastated economy has sent at least two million people across the border in search of a better life."

Seems like this injustice has probably affected way more people than necklacing. And there is something we can actually do about it.
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Bob Dobbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:43 PM
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6. Xenophobic reaction to economic refugees.
Not dissimilar to the conservative reaction to Mexican economic refugees in this country.

We don't murder them as flamboyantly as the old school South African technique, but yes, blaming (and in this case, killing) the victims of globalization is a horrible and misguided reaction to the problem.

The blame belongs on the economic power elites who set up the economic injustices that create these situations while enriching themselves. For them, necklacing would not be an unreasonable outcome. Guillotines worked well in the past for this.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:47 PM
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7. blah blah blah I am an economic elite wtf do I do??
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Bob Dobbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:51 PM
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8. No, you are not
and I don't understand your question.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:05 AM
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25. Frightening indeed
Truth and reconciliation cannot work when those who were at the margins continue to be at the margins. RSA has serious problems.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:28 PM
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2. That is just plain untrue
Lots of people here care about injustice in the world, including the specific atrocity you posted about earlier this evening. You did get plenty of replies after all.

The reasons why you didn't get more responses are myriad, among them being that necklacing is not new, solutions are not evident, and there was little in your posts that actually merited discussion. I read two of them, and could honestly think of nothing to add except something along the lines of "That sucks, I wish there was more I could do about it". That seemed a pretty feeble response to me, which added nothing to the subject, so I didn't bother.

Don't make the mistake of believing that no one cares. We do of course, but really what can anyone say?
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:37 PM
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5. They care goldcanyonaz but they are also terrified with what is happening
in our own backyard, the fear is making people crazy and unable to think clearly at times..I think its a good idea to have a thread that sites the injustices in this world, perhaps you can begin one? You know though, I think people are being taken up by the primaries in that they cannot seem to see outside the coming elections and recognize that the world has not stopped having other issues besides elections...

I really have to leave now and to be honest I am not sure if I will be able to post again any time soon but if I do I will try to help you but one thing I will promise you, I have many issues that I feel need addressing in this world of ours, alot you know, at times I feel so overwhelmed with my outrage that I become distant...not sure how to explain it any better.

I have a feeling that Du is overridden with freeper types these days that wish to accomplish nothing more than a disruption of sorts so they can sit back and laugh like demented little children on their home sites, very strange way to spend ones time but who am I to tell someone how to spend their time..

You would think that with all those people on this site that declare themselves christians or used to since I haven't been on in quite some time that they would have been more vocal with at least a word or two of compassion for what is happening in Africa but it seems that those people either have left or now simply believe the end times have come and that unrest on foreigner soil is needed so that they can have their armegeddon...

Again such lack of response only proves to me that those that call themselves christians only act in ways that benefit themselves to such a degree that they feel they will be ensured a place in what some believe to be a new kingdom..

Why can't those people do something about the lives already living in the here and now? You know why, because whether or not they realize it they have given up themselves and do nothing more than pretend they remain good and pure and sooner than later in this lifetime they will be whisked away to a better place, sadly they don't realize its the here and now that they should be worrying about..

Its funny and sad that your so upset because a few weeks ago I was driving with my sister in law to pick up her car, true story, there was a man and woman holding up signs standing on a street corner which depicted why abortion was wrong....I saw red and opened the window and yelled out to these people that if they were so worried about life they would either be protesting this lie of a war we are now engaged in or in Africa helping those children already here...I swear its what I yelled at them, they did not even bat an eyelash and merely looked at me like puppets...and thats when I realized something, too many so called christians only do what they are told to do to ensure their place in the here after regardless of what they should really be worrying about.

Welcome to the real world, its not pretty but thankfully regardless of the little attention you have received there are people that care and are attempting to help. Focus on those groups, find them, google them if you must and see what you can do they might not be on Du but someone out there does care about what is happening in Africa and they have a group and I am have no doubt need your help.

Meanwhile, keep trying to get attention for their plight on Du, one day I will be in a position to help and I won't forget what I read today don't doubt my word.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:59 PM
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9. I do not believe that they do care
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 12:54 AM
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13. I can't believe I am still on line but some care, the majority of Dur's today
have their minds elsewhere and don't forget, we have definitely be infiltrated with sick republicans who waste our time and energy by ensuring our focus becomes distorted...have you checked yet to see if perhaps their is a group on the net that has formed in order to attempt aid to the people in Africa? Sometimes people need direction, if you find one, post the link on DU, there are some good people on this site and far too many evil ones, don't let them win...


You know, our youth of today needs to get off of their electronic toys and begin to realize that this world they will grow up in needs change and the only way that change will be realized is if they join in the fight for justice..

Perhaps finding a group of youth to figure out a way to get help and ensure the horrors you know are happening will find a way to be stopped...I think the youth of today do not realize the power they have, I don't think they realize that tomorrow will come and if they wish to live in a better world than they need to begin fighting for that now..

Keep looking, don't give up, embarrass people into doing something, push them, give them a reason to care, we as a people have become somewhat jaded from viewing heart wrenching photos of the horrors that are occurring on a daily basis...kids play video games, watch horror movies, in some ways this constant viewing of death and destruction has become nothing more than fiction, but it's not, we and they need to realize its not fiction, people are dying, people are being tortured, men, women and children, how dare we continue to look the other way..

don't give up...if you speak it enough, if you ensure people don't forget, perhaps they will get the help they need, it sickens me that with all the destruction that occurs in Africa our government is spending precious time and using precious resources in an area that it is just not needed..let people know this, demand they realize the truth...I don't let people go on about false terroristic threats...I get furious when people parrot this administrations bs while the real need of our assistance is being ignored...

The fight has to start with someone taking up the charge...it might just be up to you...
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underseasurveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 01:15 AM
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14. What's that ol' saying.....................
The squeaky wheel gets the most oil.

and

Never underestimate The Power Of ONE
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:59 AM
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19. I forgot that little gem, agree, it has to begin somewhere and with
some "one"
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 12:13 AM
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10. KIck!!
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underseasurveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 12:33 AM
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11. I can say with great confidence
that 99.99% of us care deeply not only about this problem but also about many other horrific injustices occurring around the world and here at home in the US.

We all have our own niches and special areas of awareness and concern where we're able to utilize our individual strengths and talents to make a difference. If everyone were to concentrate their efforts on one thing then other things suffer for the lack of attention.

Believe me many of us have been aware of this heinous practice for years. This is not new or unheard of. People like yourself obviously have a grand passion to which I applaud you. You are making a difference so don't give up. Other folks here are better suited toward helping animal causes or the environment, equality issues, organizing etc. Many good people here are super sleuths, some are better researchers, and some make better writers with an uncanny knack to convey a message and then getting that message out to the masses.

So please try not to chastise to harshly just because you happen to feel that no one here gives a fuck. Because I can guarantee you that the family of DU cares more about more things than you know.

:yourock:
:loveya:
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 12:39 AM
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12. .................
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:33 PM
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34. No offense but what have you "done" about it?
At least give us an actionable call to action if you would like our support please. Somewhere we can donate, send letters, meet up for a march... something.
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underseasurveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:23 AM
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15. A passionate kick
for a passionate gal...

time fer beddybye:boring:

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:43 AM
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16. I felt the same way when I discovered Bush's useful friend in Uzbekistan boils his prisoners alive
George W. Bush didn't seem to have any qualms whatsoever in setting up a relationship with him and using his country for a base, even though Islam Karimov has been boiling political prisoners as a means of striking terror deeply into the hearts and minds of his countrymen.



I posted photos here to alert people about this twisted ghoul Bush befriended, and got my ass handed to me for offending their sensibilities. Well, boiling people offends mine, and I dispise knowing the man who stole the Presidency has made arrangements with that foolish goblin on behalf of the people of the United States.

Don't you EVEN begin to point yourself out as someone with a deeper, more saintly conscience than other people. You're going to be in for some very bruising learning experiences. Do what you can on your own, and don't take time out to point out how ####ed up you imagine other people are who don't rush to pat you on the back for recognizing cruelty, barbarity, evil.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:08 AM
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22. .
:thumbsup:
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:38 AM
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26. How do you do that?

Have the name under the rest of the text in the line that way?

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:53 AM
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28. I learned it at the old CNN political message boards before they closed,
during the Bush presidential campaign in 2000. People even then couldn't stand him, and many of them chose to write his name that way.

This is how it looks before you change the <s and >s to brackets []

<sub> Bush </sub>

Just substitute brackets, and it should put "Bush" at the proper sub-normal level!
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:50 AM
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17. We DO care.
I've seen your link, now I am aware of yet another horrific atrocity. For what it is worth I even recommended your earlier thread. I am saddened that you would believe that we don't care. I hope I can convey to you that our fellow DUers are not as heartless as you may think. We work to remove a monster. It can be argued that many if not most of this planet's ailments, including the one you have brought to our attention can be placed at this monster's feet.

How is that? Remove the cops and guess what happens? In a very real sense America has the military to be the world's cops. Sadly the group in charge is corrupt, sadly horrors such as you have brought us can not be tended to in the manor that it needs....yet.

Did you know that there are other matters of even greater urgency. Think not? Here let me treat you to your treatment of us with but one example, (Warning very graphic link contained in my mini-rant): WHERE IS YOUR OUTRAGE over the bush fiasco that has killed how many hundreds of thousands, have created over a million refugees and threatens to expand on the insanity? WHERE IS YOUR OUTRAGE OVER THE MONSTERS WHO DID THIS: http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html
end of mini-rant...

...sorry goldcanyonaz, different horrific attack on the people of our planet but same monster though. In order to put out the fires, the firebugs must be stopped! Things can only get worse EVERYWHERE unless this is done. You are screaming at us as though we don't care...you couldn't be further from the truth...we DO care.

First things first, the bush-family evil empire must be removed from power...then we can get on with the healing. There is ample enough outrage, and tears and TEARS and MORE TEARS to go around... trust me fellow DUer, We really and truly DO care. Folks here may not see things the way I do but we all are fighting the same battle...we want the horrers to stop and intuitively we each understand that the bush-gang must go first and another bush can not take his place. Hang in there.
Yes We Can
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:58 AM
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18. I'm not giving this whiney thread a rec. But I have recommended your other more thoughtful thread.
Edited on Fri May-23-08 02:58 AM by Wizard777
I think you have made your case very well there. This practise is atrocious.
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JANdad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:49 AM
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20. Meh...
She's good at starting multiple links about the same issue IMHO to get her post count up and thrives on the "outrage"
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 05:41 AM
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21. I have finally had it with you and your "nobody caresss!!!" accusations
you don't even seem to read the responses, just respond with more berating

putting you on ignore now for my own good
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:14 AM
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23. And, frankly, commenting on an injustice on an
anonymous internet message board is hardly a ruler of how much someone 'cares'.

I'm with you. This is bullshit.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:24 AM
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24. people do give a damn, it's just that there are hundreds fo things to be outraged about
and most people's lists are already too full. "Necklacing" is truly a disgusting-no beyond that- evil horrible thing.

Some will not show the outrage you desire because of the "it's on the other side of the planet" reasons, but I have to give the excuse that I am already full of manageable outrage. I have environmental outrage, corporate outrage, native people's outrage and a ton of other outrage against injustice. There is everything from female genital mutilation, to the poisoning of the land, to the theft of people's drinking water, to genocide, and genocide, and genocide, and genocide.

Thanks for posting that pic and description. I think the term "necklacing" sounds "generic" and possibly "harmless" (aside from the added term, "execution"). Now that i know what it is, I will keep and ear and eye out for it to add to my list of things to watch for. Does Amnesty International have a "publicity machine" behind it yet? They did wonders getting other atrocities into the mainstream discussion.

We do have outrage over the injustices of the world, unfortunately many of us are all spent up dealing with dozens of other atrocities that may hit us closer to home (that's not a valid excuse, however).

Thanks for sharing and informing.
nw
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:38 AM
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27. Misdirected anger helps no one.
You're taking it out on the wrong crowd, and hurting the cause you're trying to help.
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:46 PM
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29. I'm sorry, do you need some attention?
I didn't see your prior thread (I only learned about because it was mentioned downthread). Why?
Because I'm not online 24 hours a day. And I forgot to run a search on "goldcanyonaz" or "necklacing" yet today.

OF COURSE I care about necklacing. It's not exactly news, though. Ritual punishment in Africa, probably since the invention of tires. Kmer Rouge did it too. We probably teach it at School of the Americas.

I care about it just as much as I care about TB in Amerind blankets.
Black soldiers intentionally infected with syphilis
I also care about 3rd world hunger.
African child-soldiers.
Strange fruit.
US napalm in Iraq.
Landmines.
Prison rape.

I just don't think I'm so special that you should be anxious that I didn't finish the list.

SO, what the gOD DAMN FUCK do you want?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:51 PM
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30. Just exactly what kind of responses would make you believe that
we agree with you?.. Do you need some requisite number of recommendations or kicks? Do you think that no one will write to their congressman unless they told you they did?

Will you not believe it until you lead a pitchfork & torches parade with you held triumphant on the shoulders of adoring millions?

What?
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:14 PM
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31. So sorry that your priority list may differ from some others'
And by the way, great method to win friends. Really fantastic.

Some of us are working on our little corners. So sorry we missed the memo putting you and your priorities in charge of everything.

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:16 PM
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32. The Metric System. Why are we still not on it?
WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:16 PM
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33. www.kumbaya.com
:evilgrin:
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demmiblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:34 PM
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35. It is not the message, it is the messenger
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