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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:52 AM
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ACTION ALERT! - Fingerprint Registry in Housing Bill!!!
Edited on Sun May-25-08 10:39 AM by Phred42
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Then this must not happen. Call or write your elected officials in Washington now!

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Fingerprint Registry in Housing Bill!!!
http://www.openmarket.org/2008/05/23/fingerprint-registry-in-housing-bill/

A measure creating a federal fingerprint registry totally unrelated to national security passed a U.S. Senate committee almost without notice. The legislation would require thousands of individuals working even tangentially in the mortgage and real estate industries — and not suspected of anything — to send their prints to the feds. The database and fingerprint mandates were tucked into housing and foreclosure assistance bills that on Tuesday passed the Senate Banking Committee by a vote of 19-2.

Fingerprints are considered to be among the most personal of information, and fingerprint databases created and proposed in the name of national security have generated much debate. Recently, “Server in the Sky” — a proposed international database of the fingerprints of suspected criminals and terrorists to be shared among the U.S., U.K. and Canada — has ignited a firestorm of controversy. As have cavalier comments by Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff that fingerprints aren’t “personal data.”

Yet earlier this week, a measure creating a federal fingerprint registry totally unrelated to national security passed a U.S. Senate committee almost without notice. The legislation would require thousands of individuals working even tangentially in the mortgage and real estate industries — and not suspected of anything — to send their prints to the feds. The database and fingerprint mandates were tucked into housing and foreclosure assistance bills that on Tuesday passed the Senate Banking Committee by a vote of 19-2.

The measure the committee passed states that “an indvidual may not engage in the business of a loan originator without first … obtaining a unique identifier.” To obtain this “identifier,” an individual is requiredto “furnish” to the newly created Nationwide Mortgage Licensing System and Registry “information concerning the applicant’s identity, including fingerprints for submission” to the FBI and other government agencies.

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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:01 AM
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1. Thanks
Edited on Sun May-25-08 10:05 AM by mac2
Everything is being ignored while they steal our rights and freedoms by the "selection".

Nazi Germany did this type of information gathering using security as an excuse. The system got so big and complicated it did not work. The politicians and those who had a gripe against a family member or neighbor used it for their own personal vendetta. It's political with this group in power you can bet on that. They are afraid of "us" not terrorists.

It's also about cronyism for their friends to profit off us and our information. They sell it all over the world.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:06 AM
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2. Damn. There goes some more.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:37 AM
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3. data mining is big business, good money
Why is the government so interested in data mining if it remains unclear whether it will ever be very accurate or workable? Part of the government’s interest in data mining stems from the aggressive marketing efforts of database companies. After September 11, database companies met with government officials and made a persuasive pitch about the virtues of data mining. The technology sounds quite dazzling when presented by skillful marketers, and it can work quite well in the commercial setting. The problem, however, is that just because data mining might be effective for businesses trying to predict customer behavior does not make it effective for the government trying to predict who will engage in terrorism. A high level of accuracy is not necessary when data mining is used by businesses to target marketing to consumers, because the cost of error to individuals is minimal. Amazon.com, for example, engages in data mining to determine which books its customers are likely to find of interest by comparing book-buying patterns among its customers. Although it is far from precise, it need not be because there are few bad consequences if it makes a wrong book recommendation. Conversely, the consequences are vastly greater for government data mining.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=990030

Google LiveScan and compare the profit margin to Diebold's. Same clown, different makeup.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:39 AM
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4. Great Stuff - thanks
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:46 AM
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6. data mining = ethnicity and religion = Hitler's work done easily
when they round you up....

Bush = Grandaddy Bush = Pfizer = Nazi funding. Look it up! Prescott failed. Bush wants to carry on the legacy.
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:44 AM
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5. As a retired teacher, I have had to be fingerprinted each time I
taught in a different school system....Actually, I have been fingerprinted four times....

I joked with the cop taking them the last time that I have been fingerprinted as a teacher more times than a criminal.

Oh, and BTW, been to Disney lately? They do the biometric thumbprint for your ticket.....

Fingerprints, no problem, but chips, no way....
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:52 AM
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8. You will eventually carry a chip when REAL ID comes.
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:55 AM
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12. carry, maybe, but implant...no way. They can put it in my earring...
but, hopefully, I'll be dead by the time that comes....but not so for my grandbabies. Poor souls....
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:54 AM
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10. Really, Disney? Well, no surprise
Edited on Sun May-25-08 11:13 AM by madmusic
The Disneyization of Society

This is an agenda-setting new work in the sociology of culture and modern society. It argues that the contemporary world is increasingly converging towards the characteristics of the Disney theme parks. This process of convergence is revealed in: the growing influence of themed environments in settings like restaurants, shops, hotels, tourism and zoos; the growing trend towards social environments that are driven by combinations of forms of consumption: shopping, eating out, gambling, visiting the cinema, watching sports; the growth in cachet awarded to brands based on licensed merchandise; and the increased prominence of work that is a performance in which the employees have to display certain emotions and generally convey impressions as though working in a theatrical event. This insightful book demonstrates the importance of control and surveillance in consumer culture.

Of interest to a wide variety of students studying in business, sociology, cultural studies, media studies and leisure studies courses this will also be of interest to anybody interested in understanding the intricacies of modern society.

http://www.amazon.com/Disneyization-Society-Alan-Bryman/dp/0761967656

edit typo

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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:02 AM
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14. Yep and no one cared about the "other noncriminal people" who were finger printed.


...pretty soon it will be everyone.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:47 AM
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7. Wake up DUers! This passed a Dem controlled committee. The top Repukes and Dems are equally
fascist.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:53 AM
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9. I don't dissagree with that.
After Obama takes the WH adn the Dems have a veto proof majority in both houses.....

It will be time to purge the DLC and BlueDogs from the party and replace them with Progressive Democrats
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:55 AM
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11. From you fingertips to the "force's" eyes.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:06 PM
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17. Sadly though, it won't be enough.
Not enough Democrats are denouncing this stuff. They are going along with it! Obama will not change anything, as he is a centrist afraid of being "soft on terror". Well they all are afraid.

No Democrat is coming out against this. We are screwed no matter who wins. I no longer care who wins, because it will not make any difference.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 08:26 PM
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19. Exactly which is why I really don't hold much hope in this election
I think we are already fucked and the best we can do is learn how to survive DESPITE the moneychangers.
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:59 AM
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13. Disney's newest machines do this.....
Disney's old biometric scanners "read" information about finger size and shape. But the new ones record fingerprints, making it possible for Disney to synch its data to a wide variety of databases, including the FBI's. Disney says that it is not storing fingerprint images, but privacu advocates say that making that switch would be trivial.

Rest of the article here....http://www.themeparkinsider.com/flume/200609/186/
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:08 AM
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15. If Uncle Walt does it - I guess it's ok
:banghead:
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 08:23 PM
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18. I'm beginning to think he was a real Commie now.....
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:07 AM
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20. Uncle Walt was a fascist control freak
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Ferd Berfle Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:51 PM
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16. IF you don't get this - Read: They Thought they were Free
Here's a link and a review by Thom Hartmann
http://www.buzzflash.com/hartmann/05/11/har05011.html

At least read the review. THIS is why it matters
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