Scott McCelland Says Lefty Press Was Complicit And......

of a sudden the MSM is piling on him and questioning his motives. Instead of thanking the guy for some courage and insight into the administration of the worst president in the history of the U.S. they are damning him. They are saying why didn't he just up a quit when he was part of the problem - instead of profiting after the fact.

If he would have - maybe we wouldn't be able to get this insight that we're now getting. If he would have - they might have questioned his credibility and loyalty back then and discredit him then - like they did with Paul O'Neil after he challenged this administration.

And I normally like Mika on MSNBC - but today she crossed the line saying that Scott has to come on and pass her grilling interview - if he doesn't - what he wrote is questionable. Who the hell does she think she is? What gives her the right of making the decision that he is credible.

It seems to me that Scott has embarrassed the MSM that they hadn't done their job - and the MSM doesn't like it. Maybe the bosses that employ the Mika types want to quash this story and nip it in the bud. Now Barnacle is saying I'd be interested if he wrote the book himself - the guy could barely speak from the podium.

I'm thinking that the word is out from the WH to discredit McCelland. We are going through another cycle on Iran - like we did with Iraq. If the WH is to be believed on Iran - they need the MSM. If Scotty's book is right - maybe - just maybe - people won't buy the Iran story this time. They can't have that happen. So it seems to me the word is out to discredit McCelland now.

I'm curious as to what others think about this. I haven't read the book yet myself - but will buy a copy as soon as I could to try and better understand McCelland's motives for writing it.

I know that people like David Gregory put him on the spot while he was doing his job. What was Scotty supposed to do - say - yeah David - I'm lying to you. The guy was doing his job. He was saying and doing what he was told at the time. Being on the inside during that time - it might have been hard to see the forest through the trees.

MSNBC is really trying to discredit McCelland - and it seems to me that there must be a reason why. Now Barnacle is saying that Scotty didn't have the curiosity or the courage to stand up to them. That they hired Scotty as this hapless guy to do just what they wanted - tell the press what they wanted him to and not question them.

MSNBC is really making a big deal about this and trying to discredit him.

it was all
"I'm lying to you, you know....tra-la-la-la"

and
"Yes we know, let's keep pretending and we can all hit the links early... tralalala"

And NOW they're insulted that Scottie is pointing his finger and saying, "I was doing my job.. You guys weren't"

This would be high farce if the deaths weren't so real...

8 years of the bush administration encapsulated in one sentence.

This routine by Colbert a few years ago hit too close to home, which is why they didn't find it amusing --

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-869183917758574879

I forgot just how pointed Colbert's barbs were to *Co and the complicit press. This seems to actually mean more today than it did when he first delivered it.

And at the time, there was absolutely no mainstream press mention of Colbert's performance until close to a week later, when the "liberal press" could no longer ignore it because there were unprecedented hits of this video on the internet.

What a brave guy.

He is also cute and funny.

But he took on * to his FACE on
national TV, LIVE.

but I am also very happy to see them shaming the liars. HOIST THEM BY THEIR OWN PETARDS.

McClellan and his ilk should all be publicly embarrassed for their behavior every step of the way for the rest of their lives. I do not see how they can make up for it by making money selling stuff - how about some Personal Responsibility - how about standing up in a Court of law and telling us, under oath, why you held such a high position with such little regard for what your actions meant to the country? How likely is he to claim executive privilege if asked to testify about his knowledge of what happened when?

Oh, and the same for all the fawning reporters and "journalists". May they all pay dearly for every death caused by this war for greed.

their ineptness. Doesn't matter whether he had quit or not, that is not the issue of the matter. What he says shows us the lies and corruption of this administration that has cost us so dearly in lives, our economy, the US in so many ways.

Mika is now acting like O'Reilly, unless you come on the show, you are not credible. That show is becoming a joke and I have said her interviews are really terrible anyway and she is just a parrot for Scarborough.

Scotty says: "Mr. McClellan does not exempt himself from failings — “I fell far short of living up to the kind of public servant I wanted to be” — and ((calls the news media “complicit enablers”)) in the White House’s “carefully orchestrated campaign to shape and manipulate sources of public approval” in the march to the Iraq war in 2002 and 2003."



Anyway, we all know the MSM sucks.

Recommend your post, good points.

...now detests and mistrusts him when he stands alone in mild opposition to the cabal of republicon homelander cronies.

Pathetic corporate media. Anyone who is paying attention sees through the BS.

I can hear Cheney barking out orders now to the corporate media to discredit Scott and his book revelations. The media what a bunch of whores (no offense to them) they are.

they won't be afraid to go after McCelland either.

McClellan on with KO Monday night!!!

KO agrees with ya Scotty about the media!

They are well conditioned to represent status quo and attack anything that smells of an attack on status quo. The media are not interested in the truth, only in maintaining the order that gives them the power they have.

I think he has some sort of fetish where he needs to be publicly humiliated in front of large groups of people.

That may be why he didn't quit.

It may also be why he's finally holding the Corporate Controlled Complicit Press accountable.

Is he actually saying "I'd be interested if he wrote the book himself"?

Oh, that's just rich.

Barnicle is scum of the earth.

He feels a twinge of guilt, so what does he do?

Does he:
a) Offer to testify under oath
b) Hold a press conference to come clean
c) Cash in by writing a book

Yep, it's always c.

and here I thought he was just an opportunistic weasel

I seem to recall she was running for office in Texas and they Katherine Harris'ed her.

being loyal. I say - who the hell cares what the WH and *Co think about this book and that they think that Scotty is not being loyal?

Gregory says this book surprises everyone because Scotty never showed any dismay as he was serving *.

Instead of celebrating the fact that we now have an insider exposing this administration and their lies and cover-up. Instead of jumping on *Co for making a marketing campaign out of the war. They are jumping on Scotty.

This just proves to me that the MSM is trying to cover up the fact that they were complicit in this whole scheme and they don't like it.

This should be seen by *Co as a warning shot over their bow - not to attack Iran.

Unfortunately - it looks like the MSM will take *Co side on this and become complicit in an attack on Iran before this administration is through with us.

I'm wondering if Congress can call Scotty up to the hill to be questioned? Seems to me Congress needs to step in and do something before Jan 20, 2009 - because I'm sure on his last day in office - * will pardon everybody in his administration and all these criminals will get off (no pun intended) 'SCOTT FREE'.

that McCelland even after he left the WH was shilling for them - then he said something must have happened to change Scotty's outlook or mind.

since they tend to have none.

buschos hired liar. fuck scotty mcclellen.

Finally we have some insight into this administration and we're seeing the MSM and people like yourself "shooting the messenger". Most all of us at some point in our career have had a job we were not happy in - yet we continue to perform because of the circumstances at the time. Why aren't we cutting Scotty a break here?

He was the WH Press Secretary. His job was to take the WH line on things. We all know that about WH Press Secretaries. We've even seen how this worked on the West Wing. Their job is to protect the president and WH line on things. We all know that they are spinning things when they are doing it.

Did you think Scotty would have lasted long if he said the war was a 'marketing venture' during a press questioning? Do you think he would have lasted long if he would have said that 'Rove, Libby and Cheney conspired to out Plame' so that no one else would challenge the administration?

He was only repeating what he was told - and if he was given bogus info - he passed that on to the public unwittingly. Once divorced from the WH and able to look back with a more discerning eye and being able to react to testimony he was able to read in the press about the Plame investigation by Fitz - he was able to put two and two together and realize that he was had. He was finally able to see the forest through the trees.

So I think it's grossly unfair to dump on the guy now - when he's had a catharsis of facts.

Sure, most of us have had a job we don't like -- but you know what we do? We move on. Especially if we find ourselves working for a criminal. Sure, no one's perfect, but he didn't leave on his own dime, he was shown the door. Now, he's another in a long line of former "loyal Bushies" attempting to distance himself from a criminal administration for which there may somehow still be real charges waiting in the wings. He is not a victim, he was a willing participant, and this is the wrong place to try to drum up tears for a clown.

McClellan is an opportunist who's acting like he wasn't in any way responsible for the way information was distributed from the White House.

If things were going splendidly in Iraq and in other areas McClellan wouldn't have released this book as there would have been little market for it.

This guy is claiming the WH press corp was too easy on the administration yet at the time, when things got too hot, he would call on Jeff Gannon for relief. Jeff Gannon, a man he knew was an intentional plant.

To hear him tell it he was an innocent bystander surrounded by an incompetent press and a deceitful White House.

It's all bullshit.

free to sympathize with the lying bastard. i don't give a flying fuck what happens to enablers of evil, or care about their miserable justifications for their actions.

As with past "betrayals" by past members of their criminal clique, they will counter and shout down more quietly than they do with smallfry non-members who do not have the goods on them in intimate detail. It will continue until the WH decides itself no longer threatened with immediate indictment. Then...

Silence. The ritual excommunication of the heretic of truth as if nothing he wrote had ever occurred, the sole banished provenance(as with most truth) of the accursed "left" and their restricted media venues.

Another RW Red herring.

Scotty is still spouting the propaganda.

I fear this book is just another lame attempt to slowly let the gas out of the bag.



Pleeeze, spare me the mea culpas, Scotty.

Fuck you, you fat little whore.

are available only from DemocracyNow! and other similar sources.

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those lefties?

Please, can Scott direct to me to other lefty press so i have something to read?

A bunch of us here predicted that once his assholiness became unpopular, the rats would jump ship...sell their stories for top dollar and try to come off as some kind of hero. Looks like Snotty is gonna cash in, but not with my money. He's still got blood on his hands.

This goon knew there were criminal enterprises going on in the white house...he was a part of it. His job was to turn shit into apple butter...and now he's gonna tell us it was shit? I can think of far better things to spend my money on...and sure won't reward this goon for trying to cash in and sell-out his fellow criminals.

Damn right this bastard needs to be discredited as he was the one moving goalposts, stonewalling and lying...AND HE KNEW IT. It wasn't until he got his titties in the ringer with Plamegate and caught up in other lies that he started to question and then got fired...and still kept mum. He's a war criminal just like the rest!!! His confessions are best heard in the Hague...and there he won't get paid for selling out his country.

I can understand your animosity toward McCelland - but - the fact that this info is coming out now - even given the fact that he was part and parcel of the lies - might just resonate in the brains of some of *Co supporters; families that have lost loved ones in this lie of a war; and those people that will be out voting in the Nov GE.

Maybe - even if this is after the fact - his book will cause the public outcry to finally expose the man behind the curtain and maybe even *'s staunch supporters might begin to pay some attention to the fact that they were lied to for the last 8 years. Maybe Congress might have the courage to remove this evil regime from office before they can do more damage by attacking Iran.

Scotty as Toto - has exposed *Co like no one really has before - and instead of thanking him for finally seeing the light - we are dumping on him.

Everything we have thought and said about this administration is turning out to be true. I don't care if Scotty didn't have the courage to quit his job back when he was spinning for the administration. I do care now that he has confirmed some of our most damning suspicions - and that by doing this - he might help in making sure that people like * won't ever get elected to such a high office and have the opportunity to ever do this again to this country.

That criminal enterprise operates at a much deeper and insidious level than anything Scott McLellan could impact. Their control of nominations, elections, international events, global corps etc. is so vast, Scotty's "book" means nothing in the face of the crimes that are really being perpetuated.

Any impact Scotty might have been able to have, could have come when he was actually in the WH as one of the insiders. He could have used his knowledge to really assist with stuff like the prosecution of Rove or for more indictments in the Plame case. Now the exposure of this mal-administration is way too little, way too late, and is obviously his attempt to grab a few more dollars by trying to extend his 15 minutes of fame just enough to squeeze the American public of any extra bucks they will throw his way.

I can't remember if Scotty was even interviewed by Fitz during the height of his investigation. And if he was - he'd only be able to testify and say what he was told. So if people misled him and caused him to lie for *Co - all he could repeat was what he knew then. Now that he's had the opportunity to see all that was written about the Plame incident - he's been able to put two and two together and realize he was wronged. So - in fact - he might be a disgruntled employee. He probably feels like a person that was cheated on by their mate.

Scotty was both lied to, lied himself, and lied for others.

Fitz was right when he said there was deliberate and manipulative deception occurring all over that investigation. I have no doubts, NO DOUBTS, that Scotty KNEW there were illegalities going on at the WH.

First of all, how do we know all what Snotty is saying is true or what is being said to cover his ass? He was complicit in the Plame cover-up and I will NEVER believe that he didn't know what was going on and still continued to not only lie by try to derail the investigation. He was the one who said that "anyone who has exposed a CIA agent (especially one under deep cover) would be dismissed from this regime"...then he helped push the goalposts. He knows he did this and no election year confession will wash this away. Instead, he should have called up Pat Fitzgerald and talked to him, not to the corporate media.

There's little consolation in my world for those who now say what we all knew then. If we knew, they knew...and look at all the shit and abuse we took in not only trying to get the truth but standing up and demanding it.

I doubt Snotty will change a single vote in November...boooosh isn't on the ballot and many of us who have a bitch with the GOOP don't need any more reasons. He's trying to get while the getting is good as a year from now, no one will want to hear anything about the past 8 years...thus the payoff is better now.

Sorry, I just see this as opportunism. Imagine if Joe Lockhart had come out like this against Clinton...would you think he was doing the right thing? Again...if Snotty wants to right his wrongs, the first place he should go is to a prosecutor, but his eyewitness accounts under seal and then be willing to testify against his former bosses. Ya think that will happen?

and the likes of Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly and all the Right Wing talking heads would pawn it off as Joe is just a "disgruntled employee"? Come on - cut the guy a break. Why don't you call Leahy or Conyers and get them to put Scotty on the hot seat. Let's see if Scotty will hide behind 'executive privilege' like Rove and all the rest of *Co's team.

Hell, if he didn't say it, they'd just make it up. Damn right those goons would latch on any chance to revise the Clinton years and anyone who could be used to further their propaganda is very welcome. They'll call Snotty a disgruntled employee (which I also think he is) but if a Lockhart came out that he had seen Lewinski in the Oval Office or hinted at some other "youthful indiscretion", they'd be all over it (along with the rest of the Corporate media) like white on rice. There's already been grumbling that if Hillary had become the nominee, Bill's private life would be pried open like a walnut.

He personally needs to pay for his part in this, not profit from it...If he wanted to cleanse his soul, why didn't he raise his right hand and swear, to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth, in a witness chair?

Because of him, and those who didn't do their jobs (media) there is a river of blood, death and gore in Iraq. We all knew it, we all knew...fucking liars, fucking whores, fucking murderers. Being complicit is being part of it...you own it CMSM.

I think it's even more interesting that Scotty wasn't "employed" (cough) by BFEE's shell corps and think tanks, after his lying days at the WH were through.

He was cast out of the fold obviously. Either BFEE didn't think Scotty had enough valuable insider info that he was worth keeping quiet, or they cut him off cause he transgressed in other ways. And why didn't BFEE cut this deal off before it even hit the presses - were they unaware that Scotty was doing this? Did they not care?

The big playas within BFEE (like Libby) won't ever write a tell-all book cause they're scoring millions off insider deals post-WH. There's no need to shit on that parade.

So Scotty goes public with some of the shit he was privy too. Pretty interesting.

RUN OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE

"They are saying why didn't he just up a quit when he was part of the problem - instead of profiting after the fact."

Scotty is in no way courageous for coming out with all of this now. He should have spoken up sooner, like so many of Bush**'s ex-lackeys who kept quiet till after they left and suddenly came out with "tell all" books. Why didn't he?

The question posed is not new. It's one I'D like an answer to.

while * is still the pResident.

All those pundits now that are out there saying that Scotty is profiting for this book and that is the only reason he is doing this - are causing some of us to fall for this line - which in my mind is just more spin from the WH and *Co to put the spotlight on Scotty and not *Co.

At least please direct some of your anger at *Co and not only on Scotty.

I'm kind of happy that he's finally confirmed all that I been trying to get others to understand about this administration for the last 8 years - he's finally made me not sound like some sort of a conspiracy nut - he's given me and my beliefs some credibility.

Too bad - he's going to be written off as just another 'disgruntled employee'.

If he was not fired from his WH job. If he was happy during his tenure as PS with his spinning. If he left the WH on good terms. Why then all of a sudden does he become - just another 'disgruntled employee'?

The WH is worried about this. Rove is worried - as he should be - after all he is currently under subpeona which he is ignoring. The Repug party is falling to crap. They will probably lose big in Nov. And they will do everything possible to discredit Scotty.

You would think that we here at DU would stick up for him - and further try and expose this administration and prevent them from doing something like attacking Iran before they leave office.

That's exactly how he'll be treated, which will only further damage his credibility.

I don't stick up for cowardly traitors who only tell the truth when it becomes a profitable convenience.

prohibits you from saying anything for a period of time? Was Scotty under some - for lack of a term - a non-compete clause/non-disclosure - that caused him to have to wait a period of time before his book could be published? Maybe he had to wait until the time clock ran out before he could release this expose'.

You simply don't remain silent in government when you know wrong of this magnitude is being done. I have no doubt it's a difficult position to find oneself in, but if your conscience burns enough that you're willing to talk about it afterwards then there's no excuse for not speaking up when it matters.

Scotty, like the others, went along with BushCo to protect himself. That hardly earns him a badge of courage.

are dumping on Scotty as well.

They say he's a 'disgruntled employee'. We say he's profiting on his past lies. Both support *Co and like everything else that has happened in these last 8 years - this too will pass into obscurity and we'll give *Co another free get out of jail card.

People like Scotty throw a wrench in the process of discerning the truth. They're like the co-accused in a criminal case who roll on partners for a sweet deal -- in this case, a book deal. The jury (Americans) are given room for reasonable doubt because of it.

IOW those who know Scotty's telling at least some of the truth, like us, may feel vindicated. But I can guarantee that anyone who wants to believe Bush** has been given adequate reason to mistrust what Scotty says. He said one thing while working for BushCo; now he's saying entirely another thing. Who says he isn't lying to sell books? That's what they'll be thinking.

So the likes of Scotty are far more damaging to the truth than helpful.

all believe what we want to believe. Ok - I get it.

Anything we didn't already know years ago?

The question you ought to be asking is what's the difference between belief and fact, and what does Scotty lend to one or the other.

His book isn't evidence. At best it's hearsay. If Scotty wants to redeem himself he can bloody well answer his Congressional subpoena and "tell all" under oath.

edited for clarity.

but word really didn't get down then to the general public - because the MSM didn't let that happen. So I have to thank Scotty for bringing this up now - because there is no way - unless we shut this down - that more of the general masses find out about this and begin to believe it.

Because we'll find in short order that this does more of a disservice to getting the truth out. The RW talking heads are already filling the screens, injecting doubt into people's minds about the validity of what Scotty's book says.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if it was planned just to further muddy the waters.

or perhaps you think it went down like this - I posted this elsewhere but might as well include it here too:

Is This How You Envisioned How This Plot Unfolded.....

Bush calls Cheney and Rove into the Oval Office and says:

Bush: Hey Turd Blossom - How are we going to get out of this mess?

Rove: I've got an idea - lets get Scotty to resign his job and then just before you're going to leave office we'll have him write a book. In it he will say that you got bad advice and consul from your people and that it's the fault of the complicit 'left wing' press. This gives you an excuse and then on your last day in office you pardon all of us. That way you are exonerated. You give us a free get out of jail card. Scotty makes a bunch of money and we make him famous. And all the blame will be placed on the press. Our dumb supporters will go along with us - they always do. Those liberals will dump on Scotty for not saying anything sooner and give us more cover and we can go on to plot again for Jebby's run in 2012.

Bush: Shooter - what do you think?

Cheney: grunt, grunt

Bush: OK - shooter likes it. But what do we say about Scotty when this book comes out? Huh - Turd Blossom.

Rove: We'll just say he's a disgruntled employee - that always works.

Bush: Cool - I like it. Is that ok Shooter?

Cheney: grunt, grunt

Again, if he wants my support he can get his arse in front of Congress and tell all under oath. Until he does that he's just another traitor trying to turn a penny for himself. And I won't help or applaud him for that.

I did.

...along with preparing a few zinging letters.

But this is interesting. If I had said 'no', how would that change Scotty's obligation to tell Congress the truth?

maybe he was pushed out because he was asking too many questions or demanded answers and he wasn't getting them. I don't know if this is part of his book but I will find out when I read it.

Just think we lost Scotty and we got Snow in his place. After listening to Snow - there were times I longed for the good old days of Scotty.

A traitor is a traitor. Just like there's no such thing as "a little bit pregnant", you either are or you aren't.

To assert that Scotty was somehow more tolerable than Snow is to completely miss the point.

nothing. The media is complaisant in that. That's why Scotty has to be squashed.

I mean...of course the guy wrote the book for the money. But we all know how fucking crooked the administration is. Mika at first seemed to say that he had a good point that the media was complicit in allowing the war to happen. And then she said "I thought that at the time, when I was working for CBS!" And then someone brought up "The press didn't ask questions" and someone else (maybe it was Mika?) said "We asked the questions, we just were lied to about the answer!" Heh, ok. Actually, Tim Russert surprised me on this in saying that the book is a legitimate issue , and I consider him the biggest right wing tool of all.

or be called "ridiculous" by his past employer and the corporate MSM, just to show he has no credibility. Too little too late.

Snotty doesn't care what you call him, just as long as you buy the book. This is cashing in time...his final act that he hopes will make him go on "self-ignore" with several million in the bank. Already some here are treating him like some hero...what a pile of bullshit. He's yet another GOOP opportunist who is gonna go to the well once again and hope to find some suckers. He's sure found a few on DU.

Cheers...

If I were McClellan, I would go on Mika's show and ask her at what price she's sold her own integrity? I wouldn't say anything else until I received a response.

I think McClellan sucks and should have spoken out when he first had the chance. But the media was just as complicit as McClellan in enabling Bush to lie to the American public and to catapult the propaganda.

shhhhhhhhhhh. It's a secret!

David "I'm with Karl" Gregory needs to do some self-inventory!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYZre8kEsuw

and all the "journalists" held their hands up to ask a question knowing the questions and questioners had already been pre-selected.

I also believe Bill Moyers showed this scene on his program.

Thanks for the thread, global1.

Maybe Mika can talk to Keith about it if it's that important to her.