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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:53 PM
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"In speech to Air Force graduates, he (Bush) links conflicts to post-WW II era"
Here is the link to this sad story....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24850863



The problem I have with this story and his speech is that Germany and Japan both declared war on us, they both were belligerent toward us.

Iraq and Afghanistan, not so much.

In fact we declared war on them. I can understand Afghanistan, but Iraq....



Germany and Japan were mighty industrial nations that fought us tooth and nail for three long years.

Iraq and Afghanistan, not so much.


Germany and Japan were ruled by strong centralized governments that rallied the people to their side.

Iraq and Afghanistan, not so much.


Germany and Japan surrendered and we rebuilt their countries for purely national interests; we didn't want either to fall into chaos. We also used the existing structure to reconstitute these sovereign nations.

Iraq and Afghanistan, not so much.

In fact Iraq had a centralized government structure which we then bombed into chaos and now are imposing a government upon Nation states that are populated with people more loyal to their ethnic and religious sects than they are to the country as a whole.


We beat back Germany and Japan in less than three years.

Iraq and Afghanistan, not so much.

In fact, these two third world countries have kept the US pinned down in guerrilla like quagmires for more than five years.


In World War Two, the country rallied behind a popular president who wasn't afraid to ask the people to sacrifice.

In the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, not so much.

In fact the war has proved widely unpopular and wouldn't have even occurred had the press covered the real story to the lead up to invasion. And then we all know that this president is now despised and that no sacrifice was asked of the citizens except for those who chose to serve. Well, there is that huge budget deficit that pushes off the cost to generations that can't even vote, but hey, whats a little debt amongst friends.

So tell me once again, Mr. President, how are these wars of choice remotely akin to World War Two....
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:58 PM
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1. My WWII friend is bullshit about this speech
He served in Europe in WWII, and he's outraged at this comparison.

Of course, he also hates Fuckface, bless his heart.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:04 PM
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2. Aside from little things
Like the Axis in WWII being real as opposed to an imaginary one, going into a country who has actually attacked us or our allies, asking the country to sacrifice during this urgent moment in our history (shop!) taking care of the troops fighting the war, being honest about it's cost and cause, why it's just the same! :sarcasm:

OH FOR THE LOVE OF OFFLER'S TEETH, THIS IS SUCH A MOUNTAINOUS HEAP OF DUNG.

The Hague. In the end, it's where they all belong.

Hangman, Hangman, in a little while
I think a Baker's coming to see me
Riding many a mile
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:08 PM
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3. He has waged aggressive war...
In our name...

And that is a war crime.

That is what Germany did.

We successfully prosecuted the Germans for having waged aggressive war.

We are guilty too.

These wars of choice are not remotely akin to World War Two.

The whole business makes me sick, and ashamed.


K&R

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