How Bush will use McCain to stay out of jail

In a locked thread, I described how Bush would use McCain to keep his administration out of jail. Here, stripped to its essence, is the plan:

1. Cheney resigns for "reasons of ill health." John McCain is installed to serve the remainder of his term.

2. About a week later, Bush resigns and flees the country. John McCain is elevated to president.

3. McCain's first act as president is to pardon the entire Bush administration.

This is the most effective way I can think of to keep the Secret Service from turning him over to the Marshals Service themselves.

Where will he go? No country will offer him a home. It will isolate them from the community of nations.

I thing they'll be changing their extradition laws soon.

That country is a piece of work...

they behead their criminals
women's rights don't really exist
tried (and almost succeeded) to flog a gang-rape victim because she was sitting in a car with a man not related to her when the attack occurred

shall I go on? Oh, and capital punishment for any Jew stupid enough to enter their country, that's always good too.

If Saudi can chop off heads, flog women for showing bare ankles and amputate hands for stealing, and not get ejected from the community of nations, harboring Shrub Bush won't do it either. Besides, they're good buds, Bush and Bandar.

I forgot about Bandar Bush.

It's sort of like an "Artists' Colony" --but for scumbags.

He'll never be charged with anything unless he's impeached.

WATCH THIS VIDEO

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3072133300490125416&q=philippe+sands&ei=cYwjSO2dCou05AKRt63CAQ&hl=en

I can't watch a 1:31:00 video, no time right now.

Since I can't challenge your source, I can only argue from my opinion.

I believe that no other country will have the courage to arrest or charge a former U.S. President in anything other than a "display" fashion.

I have no credentials or authority for my belief, just a gut-reaction that justice has been betrayed and won't show it's face in this nation again.

Philippe Sands, google him

But I'm unclear: are you saying that Great Britain will entertain criminal charges against W?

Probably I need to clear time to watch that vid; it will take a lot to convince me that anyone *outside* this country can actually do it. I'm not saying that the the International Court doesn't have the power, I just don't believe that they'll get a consensus of nations to support such action. I don't believe our legislative branch will, either, but that's the only realistic route.

The information at Wiki and from google do not indicate any attempt to bring charges or any body (the UN, for example) that would prefer charges or entertain a prosecution.

Sorry if I'm being dense, international law is not something I'm very familiar with.

it is of his tesimony before congress, he did say that if we (US) did not take care of the torture that another country would, they are waiting to see what we do. He said a president of another country has asked to see all of his work and there was talk of charges.

I hope you realize I'm not arguing with you. I've read many of your posts as I've lurked over the years and have complete respect for you.

I believe I understand what you're saying and can agree that Mr. Sands is quite sincere, but I just can't believe that any "body", international or otherwise, will take action against this regime.

There's clearly no precedent for such action (against a former US president) and I believe that there is too much fear of our military to actually take this action.

I hope I'm proven wrong, but it will be an eath-shaking action. The US has lost it's credibility as the world's policeman, but crooked cops are hard to take down.

I have to boogie for now, but i'll watch for future posts on this subject.

And thanks for your patience.

:hi:

When do do get the time watch it, I think it will blow you away

Bush's lies caused over 4000 military members to die, forced them to commit war crimes in the guise of fighting terrorism and totally broke recruiting for at least the next twenty years. If another country asked for Shrub so they could prosecute him for crimes against humanity, the military would find him, cast him in irons, stuff him in the back of a C-130, and deliver him gift wrapped.

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MORE:

Bill Moyers Journal = May 9, 2008 = http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/05092008/profile3.html

PHILLIPE SANDS
International lawyer and law professor Philippe Sands, author of TORTURE TEAM, talks about the approval of coercive interrogation by high-level American officials.

In his new book, TORTURE TEAM: RUMSFELD'S MEMO AND THE BETRAYAL OF AMERICAN VALUES, Philippe Sands draws on official documents and interviews with key players to explain how the U.S. Military went from interrogations strictly regulated by the U.S. ARMY FIELD MANUAL 34-52 to enhanced interrogations that included sleep deprivation, nudity, stress positions, and water boarding.

As Sands explains in an interview with Scott Horton in THE NEW REPUBLIC:

When the administration released the December 2002 and other memos, it told a story that essentially said this: The new interrogation techniques came from the bottom up and had nothing to do with policy decisions driven from the top. I wanted to explore the truth of that account, by trying to talk to as many of the people involved in the decision as I could.

The narrative begins December 2, 2002, the day Donald Rumsfeld signed a memo ..........

Philippe Sands's Torture Team exposes the American CONSPIRACY to tear up the Geneva Convention



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The optimum time to impeach the bastard is between the Wednesday after election day and Christmas. I figure there are going to be twelve to fourteen Republican senators who'll be looking for new jobs after this election, plus a few who hung on by the skin of their teeth, and it will all be because of Shrub. You get sixteen or seventeen senators who don't have jobs, or came close to losing them, because of Bush and they'll be looking for blood.

All we gotta have is sixteen Republican votes. If Bush kills his party in November we should get at least twenty.

If we convict in the Senate we'll have no problem with convicting in a court of law. Uhh...is ordering someone to commit suicide considered cruel and unusual punishment?

But I'm not very confident in the system.

Hope you're right and I'm too cynical.

The Constitution says 2/3 PRESENT.
I can easily see some of them sitting at home for the trial.

y'know, this could work. I note the Constitution doesn't say anything about WHERE the Senate has to meet.

It's thoroughly possible SOMEONE, say a certain former Senator from North Carolina who's got a gymnasium attached to his home, could designate a place for all the Democrats, plus enough Republicans who like the Constitution and America better than they like George Bush, to go and run the little bugfucker off.

Thanks Pelosi! :banghead:

I see Bush handing out secret pardons to every member of his administration, and then, in the last week or so before his term is up, going under the knife for some medical procedure or other, so Cheney can pardon him during that half hour. They'll just go on about their business as usual, but if the shit hits the fan, they'll pull out those secret pardons after all.

For that stunt they pulled with their daughter.

Obviously, Mccain is sucking up to Bush now, but only so he can win. If he actually wins, I can see him totally being vindictive and shutting Bush out.

I don't think its a guarantee Mccain would give him a pardon. They're a lot of bad blood there.

I think the Congress hearings and vote would never happen.

Fix Is In?
:shrug:

The comment about how he hates gooks, coupled with his temper, known acts of corruption, status as a Reverse Ace and beer-dealing wife, should have ended his chances of getting elected dogcatcher long before now.

I think there are way too many people that:

1. think BuSh has done NO wrong
2. way too many who have profited extremely well from his policies
3. way too many Reptilians in Congress willing to run interference to block ANY legal action against him

All of that would prevent any need for Bu$h to pull something like that, but that's an opinion and could be wrong.