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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 01:04 PM Original message |
Caller on Thom Hartmann show this week: Sustainability = "stop helping people live longer" |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
1. It's a small wing of people, the Misanthropes really |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
2. Stop having craploads of babies instead. nt |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. That's what Thom said, and then this douchebag said no, people |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
13. And allow the Elderly who are still capable of adding value to any enterprise in any capacity to |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
21. Yep. Time to call phony "Pro-Lifers" what they are: Slavers. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
3. Lots of people. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
5. Well, from a purely amoral outlook... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Amorality still assumes self interest. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:41 PM Response to Reply #7 |
35. But not necessarily individual self-interest |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 01:23 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. So if someone hasn't spawned, does that give them a chance to live to be old? nt |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
49. His point of view is the only and correct one |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 01:16 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. From the practical outlook too: All systems lose the value of what accrued exprience and |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:44 PM Response to Reply #9 |
36. If we're looking at a survival standpoint, however, there's a cutoff limit |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
24. you think "it's immoral to control pregnancy and birth............." |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. I think he means to control OTHER'S pregnancy and birth. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. That's not what it said - and went on about "finite resources" and "infinite growth" |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Alright, clarification... |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 11:48 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. "the fact that it's immoral to control pregnancy and birth" |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 11:58 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. I said it perfectly clearly |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 12:05 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. wow what a fucked up way to not acknowledge the ambiguity of your statement and be a |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 12:25 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. That's just the thing - It wasn't ambiguous, you just misunderstood |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 12:44 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Someone who assumed as you are assuming they did, would not have asked for clarification. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 01:26 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Someone is wrong on the internet!!!! Someone is wrong on the internet!!!! |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. He said it perfectly clearly |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 10:31 PM Response to Reply #40 |
52. Perfectly so. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 10:33 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. from a completely malecentric viewpoint that didn't even understand it's own blind spot |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 10:43 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Oh good grief. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 11:42 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Backatcha. Read the thread. You share the same arrogance or WhoTF are you to say? |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. . |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #24 |
45. War is designed to control population. nt |
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OHDEM (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
6. He forgot the rest of his statement.. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
8. I didn't hear the call but if you have been at a nursing home lately you |
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OHDEM (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. For the record, I'm not against assisted suicide but.... |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. No it doesn't apply |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Such situations should be on an individual decision basis that includes what family is left, or, if |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 01:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Unfortunately, the caller was more generic than that. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. P.S. I work in a nursing home and know first hand that there are many elderly and disabled who WANT |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 01:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. My mom is in assisted living with pretty severe dementia and very |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
23. Have you considered moving her to hospice? |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. now she is old and frail but has no terminal condition |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 06:47 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. I understand |
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mantis49 (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #32 |
50. Late stages of dementia IS a terminal condition |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #8 |
26. Unfortunately, when the "system" becomes involved, |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
37. I also work at a nursing home, and there are several residents who are pretty far-gone |
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Betty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 11:40 PM Response to Reply #8 |
38. I agree completely |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
14. Well... how about "stop helping EVIL people live longer". I'll sum it up with two words and a number |
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Demit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
17. How about stop *making* people live longer. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Just re-listened to it: "...trying to get people to live longer..." |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
20. One should study China's aging demographics to see whether its problems may also occur in the U.S. |
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NC_Nurse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
22. Stop prolonging agony for those whose lives are over but others won't let them |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Agreed, if that's what he is referring to, but many of us also know that a healthcare |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. And none of that even mentions the effect of the whole Hospice Industry. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
25. Sustainability means recognizing that we are all part of the life of the (healthy or not) planet. |
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suede1 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
47. It's amazing how many people jump to that when population control is mentioned. We desperately need |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
51. Tax cuts for every abortion!!!! That'll stop the Octomomism. nt |
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jdp349 (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 12:21 AM Response to Original message |
56. sort of true |
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