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Union Label (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:01 PM Original message |
A member of the GAWD cult brought Federal charges against a teacher and won |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
1. It's important to read the entire opinion |
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madmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
240. Link to the opinion please? I couldn't find it. |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
2. Like yourself |
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Union Label (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:13 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Thanks for the praise of my enlightenment |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
17. At least you acknowledge it |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #17 |
40. Yes, it's EXACTLY like being a klansman. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 09:08 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. Deleted sub-thread |
fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
62. well that's a stupid comparison |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 09:49 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. It is over the top sure |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:00 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. over the top, stupid, offensive, etc. |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:11 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Hmmmm |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #71 |
79. anti-creationism != religious bigotry |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. Point taken |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 06:03 AM Response to Reply #83 |
143. thinking people are superstitious because they believe in god |
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frogmarch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #143 |
230. Well said. |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #83 |
186. I'll take "Concern" for $200, Alex. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #83 |
198. It's not bigotry to support reality. Get the fuck over yourself. |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 08:24 PM Response to Reply #83 |
225. "Bigotry against the poor celebrated and cheered on this site."??? |
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Union Label (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 01:00 AM Response to Reply #71 |
123. Please just go tell it to the 700 club |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 01:27 AM Response to Reply #123 |
132. Not on this thread I'm not. |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 07:12 AM Response to Reply #132 |
159. Religion IS myth and superstition. |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 09:49 AM Response to Reply #159 |
164. ! |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #159 |
199. Truth. |
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Union Label (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #159 |
227. We have a WINNER! |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #132 |
192. I'm not religious, but I think the teacher's statements were unprofessional |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 06:01 AM Response to Reply #71 |
142. the teacher was not offensive |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #142 |
188. It seems like the teacher could have phrased it a little differently and stayed out of the courtroom |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #188 |
189. It was a history class, discussing why creationism shouldn't be taught in a science class |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 08:39 AM Response to Reply #71 |
160. Oh Paaaleeeeeeeeeeze. |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #67 |
169. "Offensive"??? |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 05:55 AM Response to Reply #64 |
140. If you let your belief in any god overide science |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #140 |
183. Oddly, you sound... dogmatic... about your science. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #183 |
184. WTF??????? |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #184 |
185. I guess you haven't heard that one yet. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 03:14 PM Response to Reply #185 |
187. I need an industrial bottle of tylenol by now |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #184 |
194. I agree with you completely about the difference between theory and dogma. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 11:05 PM Response to Reply #194 |
234. That is when science becomes another religion |
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whopis01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 04:28 AM Response to Reply #194 |
236. Ah - but you are not correct. You have misinterpreted the concepts and left out critical aspects. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #183 |
193. No, not "the Sun rotates around the Earth just as readily" |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 10:37 PM Response to Reply #193 |
232. I said that the post was making science sound dogmatic. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 04:11 AM Response to Reply #232 |
235. but science does not work by dogma |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #183 |
200. HAHAHAHAHA!!! Go get an education and learn what science actually is before you attack it. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 08:13 PM Response to Reply #200 |
224. See #194. |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 12:45 PM Response to Reply #183 |
239. LOL @ "'science' is as much a set of beliefs as any religion" |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 09:15 AM Response to Reply #64 |
161. It has nothing to do with believing in God |
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Union Label (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 12:57 AM Response to Reply #17 |
121. I guess I needed to use the sarcasm smiley |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 01:28 AM Response to Reply #121 |
135. No doubt I could find that there |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #135 |
201. It's. Not. Bigotry. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 09:45 AM Response to Reply #7 |
163. Whenever I say something very stupid... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Deleted message |
auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:22 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. Which Ivy League school did you go to? |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:44 PM Original message |
Still no sense do you make. |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
52. Read the 1st amend |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Congress shall make no law...... |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 09:23 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Right |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 09:24 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. You said read the first amendment. I read it. |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. Great, I wish everyone would |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 09:24 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Ah now you're starting to make sense |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 09:57 PM Response to Reply #57 |
66. After his comment |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:05 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. But not a court case |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:16 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. What? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:20 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. You do know that until 1901 every Member of Congress |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:31 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. Okay |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. When the student brings the church to the classroom |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Wow |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:57 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. The Jefferson Bible, not bibles |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #91 |
106. It is Bibles per your own typing |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 12:41 AM Response to Reply #106 |
113. They were JEFFERSON BIBLES |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 12:43 AM Response to Reply #113 |
115. I get your point |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 12:54 AM Response to Reply #115 |
119. Let me try to explain this to you SLOWLY, very slowly |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 01:11 AM Response to Reply #119 |
125. Let me explain this to you |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 01:23 AM Response to Reply #125 |
127. Ah the attack is to bring people back to the real world? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 01:23 AM Response to Reply #125 |
128. Ah the attack is to bring people back to the real world? |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 01:39 AM Response to Reply #128 |
136. Your parting shot - whining to the admins? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 01:45 AM Response to Reply #136 |
137. Assume much? Training does not mean I do it NOW |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 01:55 AM Response to Reply #137 |
139. Low post count? Maybe, here since 2004 |
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Union Label (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #139 |
181. If you went through what I did with the GAWD crowd you may have a lot of resentment for them too |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 06:15 AM Response to Reply #125 |
148. yeah well I went to the University of Illinois at Chicago |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 11:22 AM Response to Reply #125 |
170. "to knock all the "enlightened" back to the real world" |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 12:23 AM Response to Reply #91 |
109. Trained? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 12:43 AM Response to Reply #109 |
114. No didn't screw that up |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 12:52 AM Response to Reply #114 |
118. Yes I know of the 30 year war |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 12:59 AM Response to Reply #118 |
122. No you are playing a game of one up-manship |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 01:20 AM Response to Reply #122 |
126. But you said Protestants and Catholics |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 01:25 AM Response to Reply #126 |
131. yes we humans make mistakes, |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 01:46 AM Response to Reply #131 |
138. Finally |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #138 |
171. It's easy to insult the ignorant like you...you make it too easy... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #138 |
173. You have no clue |
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PufPuf23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 01:24 AM Response to Reply #91 |
130. Nice links Thanks nt |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 01:27 AM Response to Reply #130 |
134. You welcome, I have looked for the damn bible for years |
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PufPuf23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 04:17 PM Response to Reply #134 |
241. I am a rare book collector. Recent paperback editions are |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:57 PM Response to Reply #84 |
92. challenging is not the same as prohibiting |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 12:29 AM Response to Reply #92 |
111. Because the teacher is in position of authority |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 12:45 AM Response to Reply #111 |
117. so? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #111 |
204. Utter nonsense. The teacher cannot control another person's mind. |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #82 |
90. But I know from my own teaching experience that you can return the class to the |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #90 |
103. I am sure, but apparently from what a poster who is closer to the action posted |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 12:26 AM Response to Reply #90 |
110. You may be missing their point |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 06:20 AM Response to Reply #110 |
150. where was the insult? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 07:39 PM Response to Reply #110 |
205. The teacher was "insulting" the belief by pointing out reality. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 06:12 AM Response to Reply #80 |
147. If your faith involves a disregard for science |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 12:18 AM Response to Reply #74 |
107. Copies implies more than one |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 12:56 AM Response to Reply #107 |
120. Deleted sub-thread |
Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #107 |
196. What is your hang-up with Ivy League schools? You think that the only |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 06:10 AM Response to Reply #74 |
146. move to France |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 12:11 AM Response to Reply #70 |
104. Some school systems are so autocratic that the courts tend to be the only thing that will cause |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 06:09 AM Response to Reply #66 |
145. it is not bigotry to say that christians are superstitious, they are |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #66 |
203. BULLSHIT. Pointing out reality is not bigotry. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 06:05 AM Response to Reply #52 |
144. It is clear that it says you cannot prohibit someone from exercising their religion |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. I thought you were serious for a second |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
13. Thank you. |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
25. Don't forget freedom from being offended!! |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:32 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. He heard a bigoted attack |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 07:42 PM Response to Reply #26 |
207. No, he didn't. He wasn't attacked for being a believer. |
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marketcrazy1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 09:11 PM Response to Reply #25 |
50. yes he heard an opinion |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 06:23 AM Response to Reply #50 |
151. if their religion leads them to deny |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 11:04 PM Response to Reply #25 |
95. Because of a teacher's power in the classroom, expressing such an opinion |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 06:24 AM Response to Reply #95 |
152. you see no difference between someone mocking you |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #95 |
208. Expressing proven facts is abuse now? |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 09:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
63. "How dare someone assert anything is more "enlightened" than my beliefs." |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:03 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. Please |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 01:10 AM Response to Reply #69 |
124. You think those two scenarios are equal? |
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Creena (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 01:24 AM Response to Reply #124 |
129. Could not have said it better. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 06:26 AM Response to Reply #69 |
153. where is the biggotry? |
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mrbarber (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #69 |
162. Poor example. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #69 |
211. People are born gay. No one is born religious (all are born lacking belief, thus are atheists). |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #63 |
209. HEAR, HEAR! Spoken like someone whose intellectual curiosity isn't dead. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
182. Why don't creationists talk about Zeus killing his father? |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
206. I only pity them |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
3. Doesn't this mean that public schools can't teach Creationism either? |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Possibly |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:17 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Creationism, YEC, ID, etc have no scientific basis |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Didnt say it should be taught |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:49 PM Response to Reply #14 |
36. Your implication was that it was a valid belief system |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:12 PM Response to Reply #36 |
72. Sigh |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #14 |
175. "many" believe any number of myths of creation, all different--it was not a mythology class |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 07:54 PM Response to Reply #5 |
212. Scientific FACT, not belief. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
4. yeesh |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
6. The remark is disparaging. But how does this violate the first amendment? |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 09:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
48. Uh oh, the words of the 1st amendment |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 09:20 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. That's not really answering my question. |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:36 PM Response to Reply #53 |
81. No doubt the school is not Congress |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #81 |
214. Except that the teacher did not establish a religion or lack thereof in the kid's mind. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #6 |
213. It doesn't. |
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Creena (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
9. Dr. Corbett is a brilliant teacher. |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:18 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Hmmmm |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Creationism as “religious, superstitious nonsense” |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:25 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Well, I dunno really about this line of thinking |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. The difference.... when new info comes out in science |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #23 |
44. Indeed - it changes |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. On the subject of "Open mindedness" take a look at this |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:00 PM Response to Reply #44 |
68. Here is a difference, critical difference |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 07:58 PM Response to Reply #44 |
215. Science deals with evidence. Religion doesn't. The two couldn't be further apart. |
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unapatriciated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 06:36 AM Response to Reply #20 |
157. no, that's why science calls it a theory not a fact. |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. creationism needs to be taught in Mythology class |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:29 PM Original message |
Or theology class, fine by me |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
30. yes... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:44 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. One of the people I most respected was a Jesuit Seminarian |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. If you would say that to a kid you were teaching |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. The attacks are actually heavier against those who have no belief |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:40 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Then those teachers should get in trouble |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:46 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. He said that creationism is religious thinking |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:21 PM Response to Reply #33 |
75. The word nonsense was a poor choice |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:24 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Well by your definition of religious bigotry one Thomas Jefferson |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 12:12 AM Response to Reply #77 |
105. You may not be so enlightened. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 12:45 AM Response to Reply #105 |
116. Nah you tweet, I went to a public university |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 06:32 AM Response to Reply #75 |
155. creationism is nonsense |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 08:01 PM Response to Reply #75 |
217. Calling beliefs nonsense is not bigotry, no matter how many times you wrongly assert that. |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 06:20 AM Response to Reply #24 |
149. Well said. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 08:00 PM Response to Reply #24 |
216. Once more: ATTACKING THE BELIEF IS NOT ATTACKING THE PERSON. |
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DatManFromNawlins (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:54 PM Response to Reply #15 |
41. Better to ignore religion entirely in class |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Read bellow somebody knows more of this |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 06:33 AM Response to Reply #41 |
156. you can say that here in France |
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Creena (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:25 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. 20+ years of teaching and nothing came up before. |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:35 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. Because the way the comment was phrased |
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Creena (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:46 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Let me try and explain this to you... |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 09:22 PM Response to Reply #34 |
55. How "Enlightened" |
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Creena (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 09:33 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Sigh. |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:52 PM Response to Reply #60 |
88. Good for you and I went to Duke |
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Creena (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 12:36 AM Response to Reply #88 |
112. Wow. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 06:40 AM Response to Reply #88 |
158. so we have to pay fifty grand a year to become enlightened? |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 07:46 PM Response to Reply #88 |
210. Dukies are scum and stupid |
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Stellabella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 11:07 PM Response to Reply #55 |
97. Saying something is 'nonsense' is hardly 'bigotry'. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 08:05 PM Response to Reply #55 |
218. IT. WAS. NOT. BIGOTRY. |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. I believe this teacher is functioning as an academic |
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mrbarber (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 10:04 AM Response to Reply #28 |
166. I "sense" you are pulling things out of your ass. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 06:29 AM Response to Reply #12 |
154. it is not biggotry to say that creationism is nonsense and superstition |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
19. This ruling stinks, but it actually lays the ground work to have "under god" |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:26 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. If the roles were switched I doubt you would be saying that. nt |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:37 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. I don't catch your meaning. |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
35. Mission Viejo, figures, the bible belt of Culliafornia. |
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Creena (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Indeed it is. Indeed it is. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Is there a defense fund? |
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Creena (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Not that I know of. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 09:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Thanks, |
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Creena (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 09:05 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. I read somewhere he has been receiving a lot of hate people, so he'll be in for a nice surprise. |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 09:44 PM Response to Reply #47 |
61. I just sent him an email saying stay the course |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:23 PM Response to Reply #47 |
76. Good |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. In the buckle of the bible belt, you are right |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:47 PM Response to Reply #78 |
86. Not for that |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #86 |
101. By the logic of the religious nuts that teacher |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #86 |
177. Sounds to me like the teacher was reacting to the student's bigotry. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #86 |
220. IT WAS NOT BIGOTED. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 08:07 PM Response to Reply #76 |
219. IT WAS NOT BIGOTED. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
43. Christianity and Creationism aren't equivalent |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
59. Creationism as “religious, superstitious nonsense” |
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OHDEM (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
85. The word "bigot" keeps being repeated about this teacher. |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:59 PM Response to Reply #85 |
93. Saying all people from Ireland are dumb |
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OHDEM (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 11:05 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. I guess that's where we disagree. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #93 |
195. No, the opinion that creationism is superstitious nonsense can be arrived at |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 08:09 PM Response to Reply #93 |
221. IT WAS NOT BIGOTED. PERIOD. |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
87. I am an agnostic and I teach college. I despise the way religious bigots |
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auburnblu (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 10:54 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Best post in this thread |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 11:11 PM Response to Reply #89 |
100. You might also want to check out my post #95 above. nt |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 12:19 AM Response to Reply #87 |
108. Thats why I teach in a technical field |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
94. While the lawsuit is stupid, Corbett shouldn't have said that. |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 11:11 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. I'm with you on that. |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
98. What is this, 1926? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 11:24 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. Worshiped frogs! That is a good one |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 01:27 AM Response to Original message |
133. Here's a suggestion for teachers, from a former teacher. The job involves plenty of contact with |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 05:59 AM Response to Original message |
141. how did the judges convict him for stating the truth? |
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JackDragna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 09:57 AM Response to Reply #141 |
165. Whether you think it valid.. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 05:00 PM Response to Reply #165 |
190. so in a public school |
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JackDragna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #190 |
238. You can say it's false, to be sure. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #165 |
222. False. Teachers are not prohibited from stating the truth... |
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JackDragna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #222 |
237. Except this goes beyond a statement of truth.. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
167. The hilarious hypocrisy of the Farnans and their peers on DU |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #167 |
191. If I could I'd rec your post. |
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Veruca Salt (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
168. I am FAR from a supporter of creationism |
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OHDEM (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #168 |
174. The teacher is not 20 - he's a 20 year veteran teacher. nt |
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Veruca Salt (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 08:46 PM Response to Reply #174 |
228. Holy crap my bad! |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #168 |
179. Agree. In a classroom, I say, "Creationism is not science." |
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Veruca Salt (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 08:54 PM Response to Reply #179 |
229. Absolutly |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 10:42 PM Response to Reply #229 |
233. I have a feeling the kid was getting on his nerves. |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
172. This is a bullshit ruling - this teacher's FIRST AMMENDMENT RIGHTS were trampled on... |
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suede1 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
176. Unbelievable! I'll say one thing, fundies sure know how to whine. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
178. The Judge is one of Dubya's Bible Thumping Appointments. |
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JackDragna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
180. Public school teachers cannot say things like that. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
197. The sad thing is, cretinism IS "religious superstitious nonsense". |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #197 |
226. I'm guessing that you meant to put (sic) after cretinism. |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
202. So...how exactly did the teacher's comment "prohibit" this student |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #202 |
223. It didn't. At all. This ruling is wrong. I hope he wins on appeal. |
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Seldona (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
231. I hope this is overturned on appeal. |
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