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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 02:55 PM
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New book from former Bush adviser: Iraq was on the table from the outset of the administration

http://www.newsweek.com/id/195668/page/2


Two Bushes, Two Iraq Wars

An insider's view from an advisor who served in both administrations.
By Richard N. Haass | NEWSWEEK


<snip>

In contrast to the first President Bush, I would see this president only intermittently: at some relatively large interagency meeting, or when Powell would take me in tow for one of his regular Oval Office sessions. The longest conversation we had was in the conference room on board Air Force One flying back from the Northern Ireland summit a few months later, in April 2003. For more than an hour it was just the three of us—Bush, Powell, and me. What struck me more than anything was how comfortable Bush was with his decision to attack Iraq. Here we were, three weeks into the war, and he appeared totally at peace with what he had decided and how it was unfolding. It was real confidence, not bluster. But I was struck, too, by how unconcerned the president seemed to be with all the complications that I and others had predicted would come his and our way. He had a penchant for the big and dramatic and was not about to allow the doubts of others or the details to sidetrack him.

How did George W. Bush reach this point? I will go to my grave not fully understanding why. There was no meeting or set of meetings at which the pros and cons were debated and a formal decision taken. No, this decision happened. It was cumulative. The issue was on the table from the outset of the administration, but before 9/11, Iraq was simply one of many concerns on an evolving foreign policy agenda. After 9/11, the president and those closest to him wanted to send a message to the world that the United States was willing and able to act decisively. Liberating Afghanistan was a start, but in the end it didn't scratch the itch.

Iraq was fundamentally different. The president wanted to destroy an established nemesis of the United States. And he wanted to change the course of history, transforming not just a country but the region of the world that had produced the lion's share of the world's terrorists and had resisted much of modernity. He may have sought to accomplish what his father did not. The arguments put forward for going to war—noncompliance with U.N. resolutions, possession of weapons of mass destruction—turned out to be essentially window dressing, trotted out to build domestic and international support for a policy that had been forged mostly for other reasons.

Would there have been a second Iraq war had there been no 9/11? Counter-historical questions are impossible to answer confidently. Before 9/11 there had been some activity in the bureaucracy about Iraq, but there is little evidence that it amounted to more than background noise. September 11 transformed the administration into the proverbial hammer looking for a nail. Iraq became that nail.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 02:57 PM
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1. Does Mr. Haas thinks we will be surprised by this news? (eom)
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 02:58 PM
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2. File this under "No DUH!"

This has been well known since 2006 when PBS came out with The Dark Side about Cheney and his push for a war with Iraq since day one of the administration.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 02:59 PM
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4. I was just going to say "File this under 'No Shit, Sherlock'"
Great minds do think alike!
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 03:14 PM
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11. 2006?
2003, my friend.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 03:15 PM
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12. 2001 for the true observers.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 11:44 PM
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25. Yep...n/t
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 02:18 PM
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37. Right after Cheney's secret meetings with the oil barons.
They carved up Iraq's oilfields in those meetings.

War was a foregone conclusion.

How to do it was arranged through the Saudis. Their people were in those planes.

We got rid of Saddam on their border as a side benefit for them, along with huge increases in the price of oil to save their sliding economy, which was fomenting a certain amount of social unrest and hostility towards the House of Saud.

The Saudis were in financial straights until BushCo bailed them out with the Iraq War.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 05:22 PM
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24. I meant known outside of us wonkers

(Not to be confused with wankers)

The PBS show brought it to the public at large.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 02:59 PM
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3. Is anyone...anywhere...shocked?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 02:59 PM
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5. "he appeared totally at peace with what he had decided"
George W. Bush was bred to invade Iraq. Generations of people who expect that their actions will have consequences for millions. . and that many will not come out the better for it.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 03:05 PM
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8. "he appeared totally at peace with what he had decided"
So does Charlie Manson...
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 03:17 PM
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14. Why not feel at peace? It was Cheney and Rumsfeld who ran the Gov't.
Bush had very little to do with it except parrot the scripts in front of the teleprompter.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 04:41 PM
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20. Bush had the power to stop Cheney and the rest and did
nothing, but help them pull it all off. Like the song sez, "No Mercy For Swine!"
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 03:00 PM
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6. Candidate for President
George W Bush said he would attack Iraq in 2000.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 01:30 PM
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31. He talked about it in 1999. nt
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 03:02 PM
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7. Gee, you mean this was on the table before they took office, and they used 9/11 as the excuse?
WHO would think such a thing?

Except for everyone here on DU and the hundreds of thousands of us who took to the streets in protest, and WE WERE IGNORED by the media.

Richard Clarke came out on this almost immediately, and he was virtually ignored, too.

Damn.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 03:05 PM
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9. K&R PNAC
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 03:17 PM
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15. and I second that PNAC k&r! nt
Edited on Mon May-04-09 03:17 PM by wildbilln864
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 03:10 PM
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10. Haass in a meeting with Condi in July 2002
She told him the President had already decided about Iraq when he wanted to discuss the issue.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5593714
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 03:16 PM
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13. Give an idiot a really large can of paint
and you're likely to wind up with a really big mess. But hindsight as they say is 20/20.
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 03:19 PM
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16. Major revelation in Haas' next book:
Water is wet.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 03:24 PM
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17. It was the REASON for the malAdministration
It was the reason the real deciders picked the boy with father issues and a need to have a bigger dick than daddy.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 03:26 PM
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18. Makes 911 look even more fortuitous.
Or does the author have an explanation for that as well. Even the PNACers said that there would need to be a 'Pearl Harbor' event in order to have a war of this nature. Why stop at half the story?
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 04:44 PM
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21. Never underestimate the power of denial
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 03:28 PM
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19. We pretty much knew this. Richard Clarke covered it in his book.
They wanted to invade Iraq from day one. 9/11 became their excuse.
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Mike 03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 04:46 PM
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22. Looks interesting, but this is ancient news, I think. Hasn't it been covered by
Edited on Mon May-04-09 04:48 PM by Mike 03
a half dozen other writers by now, not to mention Project for a New American Century docs?

But I always welcome any new book setting the record straight for the morons who still refuse to accept the facts.

I will check this book out, for sure. Thanks.
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dreamnightwind Donating Member (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 05:21 PM
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23. Haas is also an Obama adviser?
Isn't this guy also advising Obama/Clinton? One of those CFR members who is part of the power game no matter which party is in control. I don't like these types having anything to do with this administration.

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 06:19 AM
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27. It was rumored that he would be appointed as an envoy- but he wasn't
The rumor said he would be the Israel/Palestine envoy, but George Mitchell was appointed. (The rumor was Holbreooke, Ross and Haase would be appointed to A/P, Iraq, and I/P respectively.

I googled Haass' name and this May 2009 article identifies him as a former state department person - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/01/richard-haass-warns-afgha_n_194691.html - so, it is very unlikely that he is - at least officially - advising Obama. (That qualification is not snark and based on nothing other than he is considered to be knowledgeable - so he may well at least speak to people working for Obama.)
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dreamnightwind Donating Member (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 01:37 PM
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32. thanks
... for the info. And I suppose Haas was at least somewhat disturbed that Iraq had been on the table from day 1 of W's reign of error.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 02:01 PM
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36. Nope, not too terribly disturbed. Haas believed Iraq had WMDs and Saddam was an eeevvuuul dictator.
He was shocked! shocked! to discover there were no WMDs, I mean, "who knew?"

Like duh, millions upon millions of demonstrators and protestors both here and abroad, and the inspection team that was searching but not finding, and CIA experts who warned there were no WMDs and....

Haas isn't as good a guy as he's gonna (now) get painted on DU for (finally) telling his story. He never did stand up to anyone in the Admin. He never put out his perspective, voice or commentary in opposition to the war. He did ultimately quit the Admin but not over the war, or torture, or warrantless wiretapping... he just felt "out of step" with the Admin and when he got offered the presidency of the Council on Foreign Relations, he took it.

I'm out of time but I'm sure another DUer can link it, there's an excellent article in this week's Newsweek about Haas and his role in all this. He's pretty upfront about his shortcomings in (not) being confrontational during his tenure working for BFEE et al.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 05:56 AM
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26. Duh. It was part of the 2000 GOP platform
2000 GOP Platform


"A new Republican administration will patiently rebuild an international coalition opposed to Saddam Hussein and committed to joint action. We will insist that Iraq comply fully with its disarmament commitments. We will maintain the sanctions on the Iraqi regime while seeking to alleviate the suffering of innocent Iraqi people. We will react forcefully and unequivocally to any evidence of reconstituted Iraqi capabilities for producing weapons of mass destruction. In 1998, Congress passed and the president signed the Iraq Liberation Act, the clear purpose of which is to assist the opposition to Saddam Hussein. The administration has used an arsenal of dilatory tactics to block any serious support to the Iraqi National Congress, an umbrella organization reflecting a broad and representative group of Iraqis who wish to free their country from the scourge of Saddam Hussein's regime. We support the full implementation of the Iraq Liberation Act, which should be regarded as a starting point in a comprehensive plan for the removal of Saddam Hussein and the restoration of international inspections in collaboration with his successor. Republicans recognize that peace and stability in the Persian Gulf is impossible as long as Saddam Hussein rules Iraq."
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 08:10 AM
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28. BOTH IRAQ WARS WERE UNNECESSARY.
Poppy lied America into war in 1990.

And when Saddam offered to withdraw, Baker said, "Too late."
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 08:12 AM
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29. Shocker!
:P

:mad:
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 01:08 PM
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30. "Liberating Afghanistan was a start, but in the end it didn't scratch the itch."
"Scratch the itch"? Now that's a really good reason for war...not.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 01:44 PM
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33. Well, surprise, surprise, surprise.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 01:51 PM
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34. MIHOP. n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 01:56 PM
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35. Thanks.
I'll check on it further.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 02:36 PM
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38. i'm grateful another person came forward to help connect dots, BUT
its a thousand days late and billions of dollars short...
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 03:03 PM
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39. There is a good side
Those of us who always knew this might yawn, but he'll get a book tour and will be seen and heard by thousands of people who didn't know or didn't believe this. So, the truth will spread a little bit beyond those of us who knew it all along.

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