Elizabeth Edwards: How I Survived John's Affair

Excerpt from Time Magazine (via Yahoo News):

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599189570900;_ylt=AkDAZj087WtUD_B.u438c1ms0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTJpZDZsN3R1BGFzc2V0A3RpbWUvMjAwOTA1MDUvMDg1OTkxODk1NzA5MDAEY3BvcwM4BHBvcwMxNgRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3J5BHNsawNlbGl6YWJldGhlZHc-

"Some want to contribute and some want to take something away for themselves. They flatter and entreat, and it is engaging, even addictive. They look at our lives, which from the outside in particular are pictures of joy and plenty, and they want it for themselves."


Ok...now she is losing me. She is unfairly stacking all this hatred and blame on this woman instead of John's poor victim of a dick, that got magically seduced.

:eyes:

guilty....

without lessening ones role over the other.

it and rake in the dough.

Is she math-challenged? Did she think he was screwing an elephant (they're pregnant for almost two years)?

Down to the overly serious/faux sincere expression. All she needs is a lip mole! And the kid's name--Quinn (as in quince, five, the fifth child)--it's obvious that he's saying one thing to one woman, and another thing to another.

She needs to pull her head out of her ass and quit with the denial. She should take the sonofabitch to the cleaners, and use the dough she gets from him for some good cause or ten, and set up some trusts for her kids if she doesn't have long left. Maybe take that fucking barn of a house and turn it into a battered woman's shelter...!

;)

But damning, nonetheless.

So sad. The poor baby didn't ask to be placed in this situation.

"I've seen a picture of the baby. I have no idea. It doesn't look like my children but I don't have any idea."

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2009/05/elizabeth_edwards_rielle_hunte.html

:(

Its always a ridiculous claim.
Get a DNA test.

Hunter said "Not now and not ever" ... that tells me she wants to keep the speculation going for as long as she can. And she has never said it was his.

have private DNA test done with just a piece of his hair, but maybe that is illegal without his consent.
It seems that she would want to know to answer the questions the child will have about its father.
Also, she could need financial assistance at some point and she owes it to her child to get it.
It seems quite selfish.
She wouldn't have to make the results public, so clearly she does want to keep speculation alive.
Poor little baby.

Then you'll get the check for xxxx grand. Got it?"

If I were placing a bet, I'd bet that kid is his. And I'd bet a lot of money, too.

I think we have a winner. I'm not a betting person but if I were...

knowing all truths on the road and do a side show. Speculation, pure speculation on your part. I have an idea, check out the Vegas websites and see if there is a bet going on this, and put up as much as you can. ;)

Do innocent men tell their wife in December of 2006 that they "only did it once" and then turn up in 2008 dandling a baby belonging to the woman they "only fucked once" on their knee...at zero dark thirty in the morning in a high-end hotel? That they tiptoed into, looking around and behind them because they didn't want to be observed? I mean...come ON. Why did he go back to see this woman? For old time's sake? Why sneak around?

Pure speculation? It's more like One plus One usually equals Two.

When you hear hoofbeats, do you think "pirahna fish?"

John: She forced herself on me. I tried to stay away from here. I prayed to God to deliver me from temptation....um....uh....she got me drunk.

I could pull up a dozen pictures of babies that "look like Edwards" - my son looked like me until he was about 4, and as his face matured, he started to favor my husband in looks. A lot of babies look like each other, does that mean they are all related? Listen - I could give a rat's ass that you vehemently hate Edwards - but this is pure garbage, there are people losing their jobs, homes, people have been tortured by this country, people are getting sicker and dying for lack of health insurance - way more important than speculating on what is going on with the Edwards'.

And then he looked like your husband--but he didn't look like Orrin Hatch.

Blood will tell.

Sure, there are "way more important" things than this story--but if you're unable to walk and chew gum at the same time, which apparently is the case, since you desperately want to shut down discussion AND toss insults at those who aren't done with it yet, the HIDE THREAD option will spare you the discombobulation of having to read about things you clearly don't want to discuss. Elizabeth Edwards HAS written a book that touches on this subject, it's in the news, and you're not the DU Censor, so your little opinion will be given all the (feather) weight it deserves.

FWIW, I don't "vehemently hate Edwards." From what stinking orafice do you pull that false assertion?

It's one of the things that is unfortunate about message boards--people who don't even know me, have never laid eyes on me, know nothing about my life, telling me what I "vehemently hate." That "asparagus casting" doesn't elevate you, you should know. It just shows you to be a person who makes untrue assertions without being troubled by facts.

I find Edwards to be a bitter disappointment, but I don't "vehemently hate" him. I even tried to find reasons to vote for him, when I was (quite publicly) going through the agita of picking someone to back. I just couldn't do it with him--I said, on this forum, that his wife would have been a better candidate, before the story broke. Turns out I wasn't wrong on that score.

Again--HIDE THREAD--it's your friend if you can't deal with this subject. Click click, and your beautiful mind is untroubled.

and being confronted with the cold, hard, scientific proof that it really *is* his kid.

Edwards has millions - she's living off charity. I would think that she would have been screaming from the rooftops that it was his just to be able to provide for her child. Maybe being confronted with the cold, hard, scientific proof that it really *isn't* his kid is more like it.

that perhaps she didn't want to face the hard truth of his having a child with another woman (an affair is one thing, a child -- whoa).

But I wrote that before reading he had already offered to take a DNA test, so... I have no idea.

In that case, sort of sounds like Ms Lisa Druck just wants to keep the speculation going, unless they agreed to deal with it after Elizabeth passes. How horrible, I know...

about John's actions or motivations, but she is dealing with major emotional pain and its her right to come up with whatever convoluted defense mechanism she needs to protect her psychological well being.
She is dying.
She doesn't have enough time to go through all the "proper" stages of grief and acceptance.
She has constructed a reality that allows her the most emotional comfort possible in such a horrible situation.

Still, Elizabeth has no right to allow or prevent a DNA test.
That is for John and the other woman to do.
Maybe they will wait until Elizabeth is gone.
Maybe the woman isn't 100% sure of the paternity and wants to avoid the fail out of John isn't the father.
And maybe, as someone else mentioned, the woman wants to keep the speculation alive.
Sad for the baby and for Elizabeth.

But after reading that he offered and Lisa Druck refused, it sounds staged -- as some have suggested.

Poor Elizabeth.

I feel she came out with this book to get things off her chest before her time ran out as well as perhaps to preempt some tell-all by the other woman.

There was a post last Dec that had mentioned this:

http://gawker.com/5112243/rielle-hunters-final-indignity-stuck-in-new-jersey

These highlights from that link are kinda telling, aren't they? And that RESTRICTION!

On whether she's still in love with her husband: "You know, that's a complicated question."
• On whether her feelings change day to day: "Neither one of us is out the door, so I guess it's day by day, but maybe it's month by month."
• On reports that her husband is the father of Rielle Hunter's child, which he has denied: "I've seen a picture of the baby. I have no idea. It doesn't look like my children but I don't have any idea."
• On Rielle Hunter's appeal: "We're basically old-fashioned people … So, this was a pretty big leap for him. Maybe it's being so different is what was attractive."
• On the one gift she asked John for when they were married 31 years ago: "I wanted him to be faithful to me. It was enormously important to me."

Oprah was allowed to ask everything she wanted, according to the Post. Her only restriction was that she was not allowed to mention Rielle Hunter by name.

It gets sort of interesting. I'd cut and copy/paste but there's so much there I wouldn't even know what to go for.

Turns Out John Edwards Isn’t the Only Person With a Crazy Rielle Hunter Story

She also said she was working on a TV-show idea with her ex-boyfriend Jay McInerney about "women who help men get out of failing marriages by having affairs with them."

In the Los Angeles Times, writer Sarah Miller has a similarly prescient encounter with Hunter. She describes an encounter at a friend's house:

Rielle came bounding up to me. Her eyes weren't just glowing. They were kind of spinning in her face. I am almost sure that she was not drunk: This was how she always looked.

Hunter also warned Miller of her plans, in a sideways fashion. "I am going to be famous. Rich and famous. I am going to meet a rich, powerful man," she explained...

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/08/post_8.html

Allow Bret Easton Ellis to Introduce You to Alison Poole, A.K.A. Rielle Hunter

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/08/allow_bret_easton_ellis_to_int.html

They're worse, sometimes, than old fools!

a baby? I'm really not liking what any of them did..at all.

and taken him to the bank.

:)

It's 27000 SQ ft bigger than our home and three fit in it just fine.

I was being sarcastic from the get-go

My sarcasm detector must be malfunctioning..x(

You could hold a bunch of women with their kids in that monstrosity--even give over certain areas to counselling, legal aid, job search, that kind of stuff. The Elizabeth Edwards Home For Abused Women--it has a nice ring to it, the very name tells a story.

Here's her choice.

She's terminally ill. She has two kids under ten still at home. She has a husband who obviously has not only a zipper problem, but an ego problem, and he's busy procreating with someone else. So, what's she going to do? Leave him, and hope that he'll actually step up to the plate and continue raising those kids when she's gone, or stay, think of another option, and not rip the family apart with a divorce? (This probably doesn't make me the nicest person, but he'll never hold political office again, which might help with the "sticking around" part.)

I don't think she's the enemy here. The enemy here is John. He's just like every other spineless weasel that thought he could BS his way out of the situation. Instead of being a man, and taking his medicine, he wanted to have it all. He can't. The other woman doesn't come off well, either. I can't decide who's more contemptible. We won't even go into the fact she felt it appropriate to bring a baby into this mess.

Elizabeth Edwards' revenge is a cold, cold dish, and her husband is going to eat every bite.

in fact many here want to see her out in the public promoting health care issues and poverty issues.

But WHY ask people to give her money to rehash all the tabloid taudriness of her husband and his mistress? THAT she could have done in private (of course she wouldn't make any $$ telling to her therapist).

He could have done what Joe Lieberman did in 2000 and Joe Biden did in 2008 and ran in both elections.

it impossibly humiliating for him to marry the other women in the event she dies.

She knows she has only a limited amount of time, she knows the child is Edwards,
she probably hates the thought of her children ending up being raised by this woman.

That's the only sense I can make out of her making this such a public issue.

It's hard to see Edwards bringing her into his home.

Elizabeth seems to be taking charge of her experience.

He told her that in 2006.

Then, in 2008, she has a baby.

And he goes to SEE the baby. If anyone's stalking, it's HIM. He's the one going to Miss Hunter in hotel rooms in the dead of night--she's not banging on his front gate.

Come on--he's a big fat liar, and he's either infatuated with this stupid woman, or she's blackmailing him. Or maybe both.

Elizabeth is in deep denial. Or putting on the "brave public face." But she's coming off looking like a pissed off woman who was conned by a smooth-talking cheater.

Rielle Hunter’s Cabal of Crazy: A Roster

Despite yesterday's insights into her character, we really don't know much more about filmmaker, new mom, and former party girl Rielle Hunter than we did when John Edwards admitted he had an affair with her. But we are beginning to learn about the kooky cast of characters surrounding her. Below, we've assembled what you need to know about these confusing fellows:

Robert Philip McGovern: McGovern is a "spiritual healer" who is a friend and former associate of Rielle Hunter, the Times reported. He arranged the fateful meeting between Edwards and Hunter in the Beverly Hills Hilton last month, where the former presidential candidate was trapped by National Enquirer photographers. To lure him there, he told Edwards that Hunter was "having some trouble." Edwards agreed to see her if McGovern would also be present. The Times questioned whether McGovern was deliberately setting Edwards up to be caught by tabloid reporters. According to a New Age Website, McGovern "uses philosophy, psychology, and the intuitive to find resolutions that move people back into alignment with the universe and into a place of peace, harmony, and joy.” He also lives in Santa Barbara, according to neighbors, where he is active in community and political affairs. Um, yeah he is.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/08/rielle_hunters_cabal_of_crazy.html

He was "lured?" And this guy wanted to be President?

If someone's "having some trouble," a check will usually solve that better than a midnight visit. IMO.

her anyway after Elizabeth passes. Maybe he'll find someone younger and have even more children. He'll pick up the pieces pretty fast, I'll bet.

unless they want to.

Frankly, that is the worst thing anyone has ever said of Edwards. I have posted for 4 years why I don't trust him, but I seriously doubt he would abandon his kids.

in our primary. To say that I am unhappy with him and his behavior is an understatement.

He wasn't even able to keep his promises to his wife -- why's he going to keep them to the kids?

I'm absolutely floored that I was so wrong about another person.

initial story. When I at last accepted that he had done this, I was horrified at MYSELF for being so taken in.

Upon reflection, I do think that folks like us wanted a "divorce" from the Bush Admin. so badly that we were ready for somebody to come along and be a beacon of hope. JE was that for me for awhile. By Super Tuesday of course he was already gone so my husband convinced me to vote for Hillary. Now we have Obama and I am super happy about that, so this story has a happy ending. But at the time I think I was elated to find JE because I believed in what he stood for. Sad for folks like us...

He failed his wife and his kids. And he continued to lie to cover his butt. How can he be trusted in any regard at this point? I too was an Edwards supporter, and I am shocked that he would do this to the woman he always introduced as "the love of my life". Apparently, that was a lie too, and a political device. I'm very disappointed and jaded when it comes to JRE.

but when the affair turned out to be true, I was shocked. I did believe that at least that was true - even if I didn't trust that he would stay with the positions he took.

One reaction I had was an overwhelming feeling of how devastating this had to be to people who had put their energies and emotion behind Edwards. All of us, to some degree become at least somewhat vulnerable to experiencing the intense disillusionment and even grief that comes with not just the death of a dream, but the recognition that what you believed in was not real. In reality, it is a weird paradox - we learn a huge amount of minutia about our candidate and family to the degree that on one level, we feel we know them. But a lot of what we know is the story line that they want us to know. In some ways, those revelations had to hurt more than the loss in the primaries. It was different and more personal than the loss in the general election was.

I just cannot imagine waking up in the morning to someone like that every day. ugh.

I wouldn't blame her, and writing the book had to be a hell of a catharsis. So, that would be understandable. I'm still so embarrassed for her, though, and - even though I understand the motivation - I cringe whenever I read about this.

Yet, read about it I do, although I won't read her book.

Isn't this a hell of a way to spend the little time you have left on this earth? This poor woman has been dealt the best and the worst cards in the deck in one short life. I wish she'd gotten a better deal, because she strikes me as an extraordinary human being..........................

If I was going to fix my husband's wagon, this is a great way to do it. She's not only made sure he'll never hold public office again, she's made sure that if he marries "the other woman" after she's gone, that's not going to go well, either. I'm sure it's intolerable to her to be seen as the doormat, as Hillary Clinton was when Bill Clinton had his fun.

There's also the side benefit of cash, which would be best put into a trust for all three of the kids.

I can't even imagine what Elizabeth Edwards'life must be like right now. One thing's for sure, John Edwards is going to spend the rest of his life paying for this, and he should. It's bad enough to cheat, but to cheat on a woman who bore you four beautiful kids, put her life on hold to support your ambition, and has done nothing but be a benefit to their family since the day he met her?

oh, She Of The Trampy Screenname, and I'm sure you're on to something. From what I've managed to glean from reading the excerpt, she's pretty much blaming it all - or most of it - on "the other woman." As in, "she targeted John."

Well, we all know how those things work, don't we? And John did exactly what he wanted to do. Only he did it to a whole lot of people besides that one woman.

I seriously doubt that money was a big motivator for Elizabeth Edwards to write this, although it never hurts. And, yes, she's probably already directed the proceeds to go to some charity, if not right into a trust for her kids.

You know, I keep thinking about all the fertility treatments she endured in order to have those two more - absolutely beautiful - kids after their son was killed, and I can't help but wonder what those powerful hormones did to her body. Did it somehow make her more prone to the breast cancer that's now killing her?

That woman has given up so much, she deserves to have it all, and look what he did. I agree with you, that's he's permanently shamed, and can you imagine how he's now perceived by his children, how the two small ones will have to grow up with knowing what they know about their father and what he did when their mother was fatally ill?

If you wrote this in a novel, no publisher would believe it...............................................

John Edwards has ruined himself, personally and professionally. The fact that Elizabeth stays with him makes him more the villain, and her the long suffering, maligned wife. Really, I think he would have been better off if she had publicly eviscerated him (as I would have done in her place). But she is the long suffering, terminally ill wife who was horribly, publicly wronged. He's wrapped the noose around his own neck, and he has no one to blame but himself.

Is it to punish them?

:shrug:

I never had to use anyone elses money, I made my own . but if she has a family she has to feed them. nonetheless, if I were married to someone who cheated I would make sure he paid in some way. Im just mean.

That's the bottom line isn't it?

It has nothing to do with feeding the kids. There are families all over the country that care and feed three kids for very little.

Nothing but angry revenge...

I would make his life very unpleasant. but thats just me.

but cause half of it is hers.

I definitely believe half of their money is hers.

I just loathe the sentiment of trying to take all of someone's money out of revenge.

it is more character than gender and i am not much into retaliation at all. i dont know if i have ever felt that. otehrs do. i know. part of who they are

since it isnt part of me it is easy for me to scorn it. but i do

i would thank hubby for the years of happy, take my half and go create my life exactly as i want. simple for me

would meet with your approval?

- that concept of "taking all the spouse's money" will fall by the wayside.

Also, it implies that all women enter into relationships for fiscal reasons. It's time we got away from that. Assets should be divided equally among the two, but this idea of punishing someone by fighting to take all their money is an old-fashioned meme that does women no good. Just imho.

And they go for the money so the dumb, dickthinking fool doesn't spend it all on the first floozy who tells him that he's hot.

Punishment has nothing to do with. Maintaining the assets within the larger family unit is.

She told my dad she'd track down every dime he spent on some floozy and duplicate it by going on a spree. The bigger fool he'd been, the more fun she'd have.

My dad realized what that was likely to cost him and never got generous with anybody else. That severely limited his floozy options.

I do not understand why she's written this book and is doing this tour. Can her humiliation be any more complete? I feel even sorrier for her now than I did before. This is beyond pathetic.

As for women who "target" powerful, handsome, successful men, well, yeah, they're always out there. A long time ago, I married a rich, powerful, handsome man who was frequently in the news. He was constantly being approached by women with proposals you would not believe. He had the best line for it, bless his heart - "They think they'll become what I am by ingesting my semen."

That's pretty much it. He never went for it, but John Edwards wasn't as smart.................

in front of the whole nation. I hope she makes a bundle and has a great time on her tour. Elizabeth is fun. I'd rather listen to her than John any day of the week. She has a great sense of humor and she's got a first rate mind.

woman.
She dismisses John's participation as the inevitable reaction to the forceful flirtation of the woman, as if she had some sort of magical powers that couldn't possibly be resisted.
Its such archaic thinking.
Women are the temptresses and men just CAN"T say "no."
That's why women are the sluts and men are their hapless victims who are simply doing what men do.
Women always have some elaborate, evil agenda involving money, power, entrapment and fame.
Men are so vulnerable that any flattery by a woman is enough to topple their defenses.
Give me a great big break.

I understand that Elizabeth is in incredible pain. She has been betrayed by a man she has loved for over thirty years all while facing her own death.
Its horrible.
Her psychological well being may depend on a scenario in which John is a merely a bumbling victim and the other woman possesses supernaturally seductive powers.
Its just sad to see her making this public because it looks like what it is: a mechanism of denial.
That is why is seems humiliating TO ME (I don't know about the other poster you were responding to).
I hate to see her in this position.
Its such bullshit.
She should be able to enjoy the end of her life as much as she can, making new memories with John and her children.
She has been so brave and has been such an incredible advocate for women and health care.
I think it is in the same spirit of service and with the same sort of bravery that she wrote this book, hoping that she can help other women who experience such a betrayal.
Unfortunately, her message doesn't seem to include placing blame on the person who betrayed her but rather misplaces on someone who didn't abuse her loyalty: the other woman.

So, it's pretty hard to criticize your partner because in some sense, you're also criticizing the pair, i.e., yourself. And that woman does bear responsibility for her behavior, too, as far as I'm concerned.

Maybe this whole process will help her get to the place you describe -- being able to place the responsibility where it belongs among the three of them and so, be able to move on to forgiveness. I hope so. A betrayal so profound doesn't get resolved in your head. You have to walk through it.

my husbands lack of integrity. all his

be responsible for anothers choice. i have no power in that choice what so ever. how in the world can it NOT be seperated

you state in a post that not all knee jerk and thank god.

and another post as if it is part of the marriage as a unit.

that is how you see relationship and marriage but why in the world would you assume we all live that. not kinda, not maybe. and has nothing to do with knee jerk. has all to do with who i am and what i allow in my life. that is unique to each one of us. bully for the person that can live with it, work on it, and get on with life. i admire and respect them and certainly dont think less of them

who i am? not gonna happen. and there are reason for that, both in character of who i am and in experience.

doesn't make my way knee jerk. doesn't make my marriage less. doesn't make us less connected or less special. it means, i clearly know what i want in life, and i clearly know what i wont have in life. and wonderfully, .... that is exactly the course my life has gone. fingers crossed.

but there wont be any conflicting emotions for me

i am pragmatic. pragmatic people dont have emotions as part of the equation. just makes me different. my hubby is more the emotional. it is different for him. i can respect him, but i expect the same. and in our marriage, i get it

And yes, in every relationship there is an area that can't be divided up neatly because it is a product of the relationship not of any one partner.

Whether you are pragmatic or not, emotional or not, that's how relationships work.

and you really dont have the exclusive on how relationships work. as much as i may feel i have the answer on how relationships work (15 yrs of easy) i am clever enough to know what works for me isnt going to work for another.

and yes, relational dynamics pretty much work across the board. :)

would get very defensive whereas my husband would just laugh it off because he was used to his dad's nagging ways.
I can see wanting to defend him, maybe even in this situation (god forbid it happen).

Still, I don't think Elizabeth has time to go through all the stages of the emotional roller coaster she was thrown on.
The poor woman has to come to terms with dying.
Its probably not that important to place blame at the feet of the deserving person with such limited time.
If this is here way of making peace, well, she deserves to make that peace.
To outsiders it seems like an obvious defense mechanism and that is what makes ME feel even more sadness for her.
But, if that defense mechanism works and she is able to find some peace right now, then good for her.
Like I said, she deserves peace.

What I should have done might have been obvious to eveyone around me and even to me in an intellectual way, but it's taken time to move through it. Damn us, we live in time. :)

My hope for Elizabeth is that she is surrounded by people who appreciate her like so many of us do. And that she gets what she wants and needs from this book tour. I'm always happy to see her beautiful face.

:)

certainly didn't deserve to be betrayed like that.
I hope the people around you came around and were supportive of your decision, whatever it was.

I get what you are saying about the disconnect between what you intellectually know to be the right thing to do and what your heart can handle.
That's what I have always had to remind people of when they would be critical of Hillary Clinton's decision to stay with Bill. Who knows what her heart could have handled at that moment in time.
Bill and Chelsea were her life at that point.
She loved Bill.
Its so easy for outsiders to plan out her appropriate response, but only she knew what she was capable of enduring.
It made me mad to see the sinister motivations that were attributed to Hillary, as if she was some kind of heartless robot incapable of loving someone in the way that all women are capable of loving someone.
If you respect a woman's right to make decisions about her life, that means you have to respect her right to make a decision that you may not agree with.
So, of course, I respect Hillary and Elizabeth.
Of course, at the time, I wanted to kick Bill's butt for doing that to Hillary.
Right now, I want to kick John's butt a hundred times for what he did to Elizabeth.
I still respect the hell out of these women and support their decisions to stay with their husbands,

I know Elizabeth's children adore her and I am sure that so many others around her do too.
I can't imagine going through this sort of goodbye.
It breaks my heart to imagine it and I don't even know her.
I too hope the book tour and the interviews bring her peace.

it is all bullshit. i watch as many men hurt and in pain from mate cheating as women.

men like to promote that they are that weak and i think much more of men that what they seem to think of themselves. i know they are better than that. i know too many that are.

and that woman that cheated with edwards, well, fuck her to and she will get karma zap in the ass

when they have to deal with trauma to the relationship. It has nothing to do with letting John off the hook, really. It's more to do with being able to find a place to stand where you can process what happened.

but i wouldnt be going out and about talking about it either.

world needs.:boring:

Now we have to have a pity tour.

puts himself ahead of them, and now, Mom's gonna put them all through the ringer, again?

No way would I do this to my kids.

the kids will have to deal with all this- again.

their new half sister?

though I do bet he'll acknowledge his kid at some point.

It's a way of permanently putting the kabosh on that relationship. Maybe that's her intent, here.

Like I said elsewhere, do the math. He "confesses" to EE in DEC 06 and says it was "just once."

But he was obviously out on weenie patrol with the Space Cadet well after that, because she had that "spittin' image" baby in Feb...08. So, he's not just a lying cheat, he's a lying cheat who kept cheating and lied about it!

that I made donations to your husband's campaign, and that knowing what you did when you did, supported
him in his run for the nomination.

of donating to his campaign but in the beginning I thought he had certainly done a 180 from his previous record and was someone to keep an eye on.

Now that interview with Katie Couric doesn't seem so mean.

while everyone's saying or asking why didn't she leave him? We could ask why is Hillary still with Bill or why didn't Ethel leave RFK, ya he was assassinated but his fooling around with Marilyn Monroe to name one far predated that or why didn't Jackie leave JFK (same theory) it occurred to me that political marriages are not normal marriages and this stuff is part and parcel to them
this is a different take on the Oprah interview

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/05/05/2009-05-05_elizabeth_edwards_interview_with_oprah_no_idea_if_john_edwards_fathered_rielle_h.html

as for hillary, she clearly got something out of their marriage. Elizabeth may feel the same way about her marriage. I think it's a huge leap, however, to lump all political marriages together.

I also think it is pretty common, more so than what you read in the M$M, the bottom line here is that in all cases the wives were getting something more than what is commonly thought of as "ideal" in their marriages, the same principle applies to all cases different era or not

Of course her Senate run and her Presidential run cleared that up for me. Maybe that's where Elizabeth Edwards is headed w/the most recent book. Get it all out in the open and make a few bucks then gear up for a run for office of her own. Worked for Hillary Clinton why not for someone else?

she is terminally ill, however making some money is another matter

a wandering husband. They have overlooked or forgiven him for whatever reason, maybe because of children, financial security, they still love him or who knows how many other reasons. This happens every day to women in all sorts of situations.

it is hard for me to understand someone not wanting to know if mate is cheating. i would want to know and i wouldnt stick around. i had a friend years ago tell me she wouldnt want to know.

differences

Thank goodness. :)

HRC took Ivana's advice--Don't get mad, darling, get everything!

You think Bill would have moved to Chappaqua NY on his own? And suborn his own wishes so his wife could have a Senate career? He probably, if he were single and didn't have the eyes of the world upon him, would have moved to LA and dated well rounded starlets who were inappropriate, and maybe hung out with "Hef" on occasion.

Have we heard even a "say, folks, er, like, you know, mea culpa" from JE? The one interview I saw was defensive and justifying. It was almost like he was saying "All right, you assholes--I SAID I was sorry, so let's move on!"

And he still denies that baby publicly, while funding it privately. And come on--this is his baby:

that is certainly true about hillary and bill.

:rofl:

According to the National Enquirer. Who could have seen this coming? :wow:

The National Enquirer have apparently gotten DNA from a shitty diaper of little Quinn's too--JE had better not drink from a glass or use a utensil in public ever again without wiping it down with a DNA-killing disinfectant if he wants to perpetuate the "It wasn't ME" fiction!

Gadzooks

it's so.... humiliating for all concerned. he should just step up and admit that he's the father. this is all so yucky.

Frances Quinn Hunter and finds out her paw disowned her as an infant. His cowardice will be a curse that keeps on giving.

I'd hazard a guess to say that a lot of these relationships are also business arrangements. They're political teams. Often the wife is just as invested as the political candidate in the lifestyle, aspirations etc. When you cut the ties, you let go of a lot more than a person. I'm guessing also that when relationships are so bound up in appearance, in the political "business," some people eventually hanker for freedom from all that pressure. How exciting is it to go to bed with someone who just spent an entire dinner assessing with you, your performance at this, that and the other function that day? Day in and day out. Affairs fill that need.

I don't even care there was an affair between two consenting adults, only one of whom had taken a marriage vow. I consider it all private business, even for politicians. I could have lived out the rest of my life without another whisper, never mind a shout, about the Edwards' marital problems. The only thing I care about is the deception of the voting public which put the election in danger and the nation, too. They could have kept the whole rest of it behind closed doors for my money. But. EE has chosen to do this and there are consequences to her putting her personal business in the street, which is that people are going to talk about and pass judgments, even if it's not their own business. Again.

Andrew Young


Baby Quinn with mother Rielle


John Edwards


I don't know who the kid looks like more (I'm leaning Edwards though) I have to say that married men who cheat on their wives are lowlife pieces of shit and women who sleep with married men are pathetic skanks

know full well whose baby it ain't. They're covering for JE.

If he was the daddy, why didn't he man up and put the name on the birth certificate? Because he, and she, know that daddy ain't Andy.

A former well-placed campaign worker, who claims to have inside knowledge of the relationship with John Edwards during the time Rielle Hunter, a videographer, was working for his campaign, told FOX News in an email:

"There was no relationship between her and Andrew Young."

Frances Quinn Hunter, called Quinn, was born on February 27, 2008. No father is listed on the child's birth certificate in California.
http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2008/08/andrew-young-rielle-hunter-baby-daddy-or-fall-guy/


"Quinn" is a name that is sometimes used to designate a FIFTH child. Interesting.

Another background article: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4499018.ece

"I was raised in the Southern Baptist church and so I have a belief systemthat arises from that. It's part of who I am. I can't make it disappear. ... I think it's from my own personal culture and faith belief.I grew up in the Southern Baptist church, I was baptized in the Southern Baptist church, my dad was a deacon. It's, it's just part of who I am."

Ok. Where was his belief system when he needed it, you know? How dare that man, and how dare his wife nod along with that utter bullshit he was flinging. Hypocrites and liars.

and I gotta say it creeps me out.

and her health issues.

However, one quote making the rounds is that she called his mistress 'pathetic.' I shouldn't really judge the remark until I have read the whole article, I suppose, but on its face, I don't like when the cheated-upon woman disses the mistress. Why? Because as pathetic as the woman may be, John is that much more so! Did Elizabeth stress that? The other woman always gets the brunt of it from the wife because women compete with women to get men. Wouldn't it be nice for a change for women to support one another and really give it to the guy?