Levi Johnston: Bristol Palin's Abstinence Campaign "Unrealistic"

Source: Huffington Post



Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/06/levi-johnston-bristol-pal_n_197659.html

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If you kids don't stop arguing, I'm going to stop the car right now!

(seriously, I'm, having a hard time imagining Levi as the intelligent person in this debate...)

so that is another reason why he may feel it's unrealistic.

And that's why Bristol is pissed off at him.

:shrug: I find it difficult to believe anything from the Palin Clan...They have a history of not be completely truthful.

He's the swim coach at her old high school.

their funky, funky Republicon Homelander Familee Pharisee Values...

What a colossal crock o' crap the republicons have been shoveling at America for lo these many years...

so true

Jerry, Jerry, Jerry!

:spray: :kick:

haw haw haw

In his mind abstinence is not possible when women are in his presence.

Hopefully females will start closing the door to this guy.

On his myspace in June 2007 "my mom heard us on the phone last night and she asked me if I am pregnant". Now, WHAT exactly did Palin hear that made her think that???? The guy's name was Johnny...he was who she was hooked up with prior to being with Levi.
Has she NOT fucked ANY of the boys she's had a relationship with? And why in her very last myspace entry did she refer to HERSELF as "a slut"??

Seriously.

Haven't teen age pregnancies gone up under the * Admin's abstinence policy? Facts and figures don't lie: abstinence only doesn't work...birth control and safer sex education must be taught as well.

for those who decide not to practice abstinence.

:spank:

Alaska has one of the highest teenage pregnancy rates in the nation.

Why isn't the Palins in Alaska preaching this crap?

And why hasn't Sarah done anything to lower the teenage pregnancy rate in Alaska?

I watched the young lady being interviewed by Greta van Sustern when the kid, quite intelligently and from an informed perspective, said, very clearly, that she didn't think abstinence was "realistic."

No sooner did she say that than her mother busted in and took over the interview. It was one of the more jolting and shameful performances I've seen, even starring Governor Palin. She absolutely steamrolled whatever the girl had said and just took over. The daughter sat there, looking blank, and, to me, anyway, a bit pissed.

Now Bristol is advocating abstinence? Well, with an infant to take care of, her high school classes to tend to, and living under her mother's eagle eye, I doubt the kid has a chance to get laid, even if anyone dared take THAT on. Methinks that Bristol's sex life is on hold for a long, long time.

Meanwhile, I hope Levi's getting it everywhere, all the time, from every girl he can handle. I hope Levi's getting so much, he suffers from dehydration.

:popcorn:

a formerly pregnant teen on tour promoting abstinence :eyes: totally absurd.

She was pregnant with her oldest when she married.

typical republican doublespeak: do as i say, not as i do :puke:

:eyes:

Because of dangers the poor little guy happens to illustrate.

So that fertile women of any age could mitigate those relatively small and overblown risks and go on to nurture and love their (most often) very wanted and cherished children.

For the wanted child and contentious mother, it's a fan-fucking-tastic idea.

That's the only reason they go after her! Or so the RW keeps parroting.

Of course, they must also hate Lindsay Lohan, Brittney Spears, etc.

They really don't hate any of these folks. They love them. Sleeze sells, and the Palins are sleezy people.

I don't seem to have a choice in the matter though. Any idea how horrible it is being a 37 year old virgin?

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A shy, unattractive person can have an extremely hard time getting a sexual partner, particularly so if they are male and don't have a lot of money. Such a person could be OCD about cleanliness and still not have any success with the opposite sex.

Like a lot of things, getting a sexual partner is a matter of practice, the more you do it the easier it becomes. The opposite sex can seem like a different and totally foreign species to some people.

My wife is probably the most wonderful woman in the world... but she has her days as well.

Women are cruel beasts.

pretty, soft, and fun, but brutally cruel.
And if you aren't exactly "it", you can forger about anything ever!

and Levi is speaking out and saying "that's delusional". Good for him, even if he is an irresponsible lout.

My parents promoted abstinence. It worked on me - perhaps I had a lot of self-respect for myself and my body.

Way to slam sexually active people as somehow not having any self-respect for themselves or their body. :eyes:

And your anecdotal story aside, evidence shows abstinence only education doesn't work.

who have sex at an early age quite often do it to please someone else. I stand by my post.

mentally, emotionally, or physically to have sex before marriage?

Oh, and now beyond your ASSumptions that this arbitrary group you've self-selected MUST have low self-respect, you're adding that they're also doormats if they have sex outside of marriage? Sorry but that's crap.

:puke:

Like it or not - I'm entitled to my opinion - So take your "crap" and pound it on someone who cares what you think. I don't.

is a doormat with low self esteem, and you don't give a shit if someone questions you about arbitrarily opinionating about their sex lives.

Just so it's crystal clear.

Good night.

Good-night.

I ask because I noticed your profile says Georgia, and I never really heard of those agreements until I moved to a southern state a while back. One of my neighbor's grand-daughters signed one and sure enough, she's knocked up and unwed at 18. Second young woman in the neighborhood, come to think of it (that I'm aware of...).

At the very least, they can stop pissing away our tax dollars to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars a year on this thinly-veiled religious bullshit.



...so, since you bring it up... you were a virgin until marriage, then?

Really?



Really?


Because I'm married, I know a lot of married people, and I can't think of ANY- including my grandparents who were born over 100 years ago- who were virgins when they got married. (And yeah, I know that for a fact.)

Is that personal information? Well, you brought it up, particularly the part about your "self-respect". So you had zero sex before marriage, then. Congratulations. Most people don't, and in a country where many people don't get married until their late 20s or their 30s, it's absolutely LUDICROUS, if you as me, to hold total abstinence until marriage up as the standard for "self respect".

I have a shitload of self-respect, and I fucked like a bunny all through high school, college, and my 20s. And now I'm happily married to someone who, like me -gasp!- was NOT abstinent prior to our wedding day. :hide:

Wow, how do we live with the shame and degradation? One wonders.

but pre-marital? oh hell yeah!

Here's the reality. if you aren't sexually compatible, your marriage won't last.

i know that sounds really superficial, but sex is intimacy.
it's VERY intimate.
if you and your partner don't click, it's not going to work.
humans NEED that massive release of endorphins that comes with sex (esp good sex).
The sense and feeling that you're "doing it right" (sorry for the pun, I can't think of a better way to put it) with and to your partner. great sex is just wonderful, spiritual, and bonding...

BAD sex is worse than no sex. There is a pressure for married couples to be having sex to procreate. if the sex is just plain bad, and not very satisfying for one or both partners... constantly, and it's NOT an open marriage, there will be major problems, that will come up as little things. Things that you won't associate with the bedroom, but it is when you strip away all the small, insignificant BS. (you don't take out the trash, buy me flowers, etc)

I'm not suggesting there aren't other problems, but they all build, like snowflakes into an avalanche. Some are larger issues than others, is all i'm saying. and a healthy sex life is one of those larger issues.

I got married on my 20th birthday - certainly wasn't too long for me to wait. Perhaps it's a generational difference.

I'm Gen X, and we were supposed to be so terrified of AIDS that we were gonna study accounting instead of screwing. Didn't work out that way. Boomers? Nope. The "Greatest Generation"? Yeah, most of them had pre-marital sex, as well. The Flapper generation? Ditto. Like I said- my deceased grandparents-- who were born over a century ago-- hell, none of THEM were virgins when they married.

Vast federal "abstinence only" funding to the contrary, I don't think Gen Y/Millenials are significantly different, either.

So... "generational difference"? I don't think so, not when something like 90-95% of people DO have sex before marriage.

Of course, to each his or her own. But that's not the guiding philosophy behind "abstinence only", nor is it the motivation for the folks who would hold out "abstain until marriage" as the ideal- a completely ridiculous ideal for most of us, I might add. You (presumably, you didn't really answer the question) abstained until marriage, hey, good for you, and presumably again you found the right person to marry at age 20. Again, good for you. If I had married the girlfriend I had at age 20, or married the first person I had sex with, it would have been a train wreck of incompatability and a monumentally bad idea. I didn't get married until my early 30s. Thankfully, I spent enough time, and had enough relationships both short and long term, to have some sort of idea what would work in my life before making that kind of a commitment.

good for me. Seems we made choices we can live with.

but they want to preach and lecture to others on what is right.

Didn't her mom always tout that to her?

Poor girl. She found out first hand that it doesn't work and yet becomes a hypocrite over it anyway. How republican.

...contraception. Sex education might be better taught with some sort of risk vs. reward model as well. I never took the sex ed classes offered at my high school (had the intro course in 4th grade though) and I managed to survive without having sex through all of high school and college. I always considered it too risky and never wanted to chance it, and I never wanted a kid at those ages.

to early sexual activity.

You can't get pregnant or STD's w/o sexual activity. That's a fact. It's also a fact that many youth will make the decision to have sex long before they really have any business raising children or, in the case of the younger female, carrying a pregnancy to term.

Some people (males and females) are born with a greater sex drive than others. Whether one is inclined or disinclined to enjoy a certain level of sexual activity should NEVER be a source of shame or concern so long as the person takes proper precautions and looks after their physical and emotional health.

..."Whether one is inclined or disinclined to enjoy a certain level of sexual activity should NEVER be a source of shame or concern"...which can be a difficult concept when you have a culture that pushes sex at you in pretty much every way without really talking about the risks at all.

"Rugged coverage for rugged men."

A marketing person could make himself and Levi a few bucks with the right approach. Levi has a definite appeal to a certain demographic -- especially the guys who see themselves as f***ing rednecks who like to swill a few beers and shoot stuff.

I don't know if condoms are the way to go, but Levi's young, pretty good looking, and someone who could market the right thing.

It would be a brief career, but lucrative.

we already have Billy Mays and the ShamWow hooker guy.

I'm starting to like this kid.

:rofl:

How confused can you get? I can't imagine being the daughter of someone like Sarah Palin.

She can certainly choose to abstain from sexual intercourse now, but she'd be a much better "role model" promoting sexual health issues including birth control and informed sexual decisions.

"Abstinence" is not a bad choice, just a loaded word co-opted by the right wing nuts. When sexual "abstinence" is a so called "moral" decision, with a religious connotation it comes with waaaay to much unhealthy, crazy baggage.

The choice to have sex--or not, can be as profound or as impulsive as it needs to be, as long as it's a moment one has prepared for, with things like birth control and a decent knowledge of sexuality including anatomy.

Seriously, all they have are names that are well known. There is no indication either of them has anything important to say. To me, they have no more credibility than the guy down at the corner pushing a shopping cart. In fact, he has probably had some valuable life experiences that might be worth listening to.

These two teenage twits have no education, no experience beyond making a baby together (which, although being childless, I understand isn't very hard), and having their picture taken a lot. I prefer a little more substance in people who want me to take them seriously.

there. I just had to say it. I may get slammed for it but I'm willing to take it just for the chance to get that out of my system.

There are three classes of "white trash." In descending order, they are:

o White Trash

o Poor White Trash

o Sorry White Trash

their disgusting mugs being plastered all over a news report. Like they should matter this much.

Begun by people who's automatic assumption was that white people are innately stand-up folk, except for the "trash" ones. Unlike the dark folk, for which one word served as a descriptor for all.

It's an ugly sentiment that should have no place in the lexicon of a liberal.

but it's what fits here and I can't help that.

I just hang around here to keep my blood pressure up.

:eyes:

if it's against white people

We are pretty much nameless and anonymous. Our qualifications are rarely revealed so based on your logic we shouldn't be paying attention to what anyone says on DU.

or some variation and who was treated as a joke on DU when he first appeared on the scene is now seen as credible/respectable because he gets into a pissing match with Sarah Palin.

selling point, storyline, & general obsession.

:wtf: pun intended.

was doing it while simultaneously being told not to do it.

see the difference?

The same fundaloons who are abstinence nazis would be happy to solve this by banning all sexual content from the media - thus solving your inconsistency problem.

Of course there really is no evidence that the sexual content of media programming causes teen pregnancy or sexual experimentation, and there are plenty of examples of countries similar to ours who do not have our problem with unintended and/or irresponsible pregnancy and who have at least as much if not more sexual content in their media programming. The difference is that these countries tend to teach children from a young age how to have sex responsibly instead of preaching moralistic inanities at them. I think that media programming is not the problem. Hypocrisy isn't really the problem either. Failure to teach children how to be sexually responsible people is the problem.

as they're hard-wired to imitate what they see around them.

People in "countries similar to ours" also have media.

You seem to see the issue in terms of black-white dichotomy between repressed sex nazis & everyone else. I don't see it that way, so I think we're not going to be able to communicate.

we had bundling boards.

http://www.trivia-library.com/a/history-of-sex-love-sexuality-1750-america-and-bundling.htm



Here you go kids! Now, we're going to put you in the same bed together all night, but DON'T YOU HAVE SEX! Wink wink. Nod nod.

Premarital sex is no function of the media, nor the anxiety which surrounds it.

pregnancy (with statistical adjustment for differences in average age of marriage, menarche & incidence of common-law marriage) can be gotten from the days of bundling, not that it has anything to do with whether media affects behavior.

unwed teen pregnancy has also been higher in living memory, but unwed teen pregnancy isn't a measure of how often teens have sex.

There is a clear correlation with unintentional pregnancies and std infection rates in advanced countries and 'realistic non-judgemental sex education as a part of the standard education of children' vs. 'preaching moralistic bullshit such as abstinence misinformation instead of sex education'. Media programming is not relevant - it is not a correlative factor. We are hard wired to be sexually active as soon as our sexual organs mature - i.e. as we reach adolescence. We have always been hard wired this way.

If you want to reduce unintended pregnancies and std infection rates - provide children from an early age with age appropriate honest information about their sexuality and expect that as their sexual organs mature that many of them will be sexually active, and provide them with honest information about how to be a sexually responsible human being, and provide them with free anonymous and non-judgmental access to birth control and std protection devices.

At least they have some common sense...or so it appears.

on teenage sex...that cow has already roamed the pasture.

They should be out talking about the responsibilities of being
a parent...a teen parent...and again, a parent.

Tikki

I think he IS trying to be responsible when he points out that the ostrich approach to teen sex is unhelpful when it presented without accompanying information and instruction for those teens who WILL choose to have sex, and they are many.

She is going to be slammed by the Democrats and media, and no teenager is going to look at her as a role model. Lose - Lose situation.

http://progressnotcongress.org/blog/?p=772

on this issue is?...just asking....


Tikki

And WELCOME to DU!

You were a mistake, kid. Should have practiced abstinence! More humane than abortion?

not mean she doesn't love her child.

back in Oct 2008...it had Bristol and Levi's pic in it. Didn't want to "offend it's readers", my ass...it was a week before election day, they didn't want to offend Palin and the repukes (with the pic of Bristol and Levi). Interesting that she is now their spokesperson.

http://www.jossip.com/usa-today-renegs-on-teen-pregnancy-ad-20081027/candiesfounation_ad/

What you don't know is that the same full-page ad, featuring pictures of Jamie Lynn Spears and Bristol Palin, was supposed to be in today's USA Today issue, but was pulled editors for fear of controversy:


USA Today began by explaining that it did not want to offend its readers and subsequently changed and re-changed its position until ultimately rejecting the PSA late Friday afternoon claiming they downsized the paper and could not accommodate the ad

If absitence wasn't so easy for you, it won't be for every other teenager out there. ABstinence is all fine and dandy if it is realistic. I wish all teenagers would abstain. Why not promote safety? That would be the more logical thing to do. Especially if you are in your shoes, Bristol.

is she going to wait for her wedding night? Or does the girl gotta have it?

"Levi, you ignorant slut!"

They are trying to out-halfwit each other!

:puke:

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Bit too late, isn't it? :crazy:

Or is he really just an irresponsible hemorrhoid on the anus of humanity?

Methinks the latter.