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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 01:20 PM
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Rape and other war crimes are peachy fine! (steven green)
Edited on Thu May-07-09 01:38 PM by uppityperson
Closing statements were given yesterday in Steven Green's trial and the jury is still out deliberating. 4 others have been convicted and are serving time, but can be released in 7 yrs on parole, for testifying against Green. The ones who simply sent him home rather than holding him responsible have had nothing happen to them. War crimes are peachy fine?

This. Is. Wrong.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gail-mcgowan-mellor/steve-green-trial-a-barga_b_198727.html
Steven Green Trial: A Bargain to Let War Criminals Go?

As the jury deliberates in federal court in Paducah, Kentucky, the spotlight is on defendant ex-U.S. Army Private Steven Green, but that leaves the other four soldiers involved in his crime in the shadows. The four are serving time, with quite long sentences in three instances -- 110 years 100 years and 90 years Green's defense attorney however pointed out in closing arguments that federal prosecutors offered them help in getting out on parole in seven years if they testified against Green. An average sentence reduction of 90 years for cooperation is one sweet deal, especially in this case.

In prosecuting the hate-crime slaughter by U.S. soldiers of the al-Janabi family in Iraq, and the gang rape of the teenage daughter, the five men are in federal custody; by the evidence, there is no question that the crimes occurred nor that it was these men who perpetrated them. Should any of the four men already sentenced be so quickly freed in order to nail the fifth, Green -- especially if he has already confessed?

Green was the killer, no question. An obviously disturbed soldier who reportedly wore his pants torn to partly expose his genitals, he was so enraged by the deaths of ambushed U.S. soldiers that he kept shouting that he wanted to kill Iraqi civilians. He was called a "virus" by others in the platoon because his fury seemed contagious. Using an AK-47 and a shotgun, Green shot the father as he tried to shield his wife and youngest daughter, Hadeel; next he shot the mother as she too tried to cover Hadeel with her body; then he killed the cornered six-year-old with point-blank shots to her face. Going into the next room, he then joined in the gang-raping of 14-year-old Abeer before killing her.

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When all this was discovered, Yribe was dishonorably discharged -- that's all. Howard the guard got 27 months. Speilman who helped burn the dead teenager and the home, but unlike Cortez and Barker played no direct part in the rape -- and unlike Green had not taken part in the killing -- got the longest (110 year) sentence simply because the others had pled guilty and he contested. Green ended up in the civilian federal court system, and in 2009 got a jury trial in Paducah Kentucky which just wrapped up. The verdict is expected at any moment. And, if beneath the fog of the Green trial the sentences of Speilman, Barker or Cortez are reduced to seven years, they will be out on U.S. streets in 2013.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 01:47 PM
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1. meanwhile, woman killing elephant gets numerous replies and recs.
My theory is that people can no longer deal with such large issues like war crimes committed in their names, so they focus on little things like "omg how could you mistreat an animal".

That's my current theory
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 01:52 PM
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2. K&R.......who knows?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 01:58 PM
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3. I edited op to have a sexier subject line, has gotten more looks at also
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:02 PM
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5. and it almost rhymes
exposing and dealing with war crimes is unpleasant, but absolutely necessary!
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:01 PM
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4. K&R
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:10 PM
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6. Will there be justice for Abeer and her family?
Are we barbarians or a civilized people?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:33 PM
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7. Thank you for knowing Abeer's name. The more I read, the more I want more of them
Edited on Thu May-07-09 02:35 PM by uppityperson
to be held responsible. Not just Green and his minions, but the ones who enlist such sorts, and who keep them in, and who simply sent him home.

Seems they didn't dispute whether or not he did what he was accused of, but were there mitigating circumstances. Which leads me to wonder what should happen to those responsible for getting Green there, and keeping him there, knowing what they did about him.
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:39 PM
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9. The story and picture of Abeer will haunt me for a long time.
I wish someday that an Abeer Foundation could be established to support all the Iraqi women and children who have been harmed by the American invasion.

American women reaching out to Iraqi women.
It is the least we can do.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:47 PM
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13. Another website gathering info on this, keeping it up to date which is nice.
http://www.expose-the-war-profiteers.org/DOD/iraq_II/mahmudiya.htm#Background

The brothers who were away that night. Abeer’s younger brothers Ahmed and Mohammed in Mahmudiya - 4 months after the killings.

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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:51 PM
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15. Many thanks for the website info and for posting this thread...... nt
Edited on Thu May-07-09 02:54 PM by Psychic Consortium
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:46 PM
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12. Who is there to speak out for the women and children of Iraq?
Our country made many of their lives a living hell.

What can the women of America do to repair some of the damage?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 04:23 PM
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20. they just found him guilty. omg.
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 07:30 PM
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21. Justice for Abeer and her family.
At long last.

Thank you Uppity....
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:33 PM
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8. Thanks for posting this UP.... k&r for Abeer and her family.
just'us' striking again?

:shrug:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:40 PM
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10. knr - Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abeer_Qassim_Hamza_al-Janabi

"Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi (August 19, 1991 - March 12, 2006) was a 14-year-old Iraqi girl who was gang-raped and murdered along with her family by U.S. soldiers..."



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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:42 PM
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11. Only known picture of her that is publishable...as a toddler,,,
Edited on Thu May-07-09 02:42 PM by uppityperson
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:48 PM
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14. Thanks for posting the picture :( n/t
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 02:54 PM
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16. Is "war" an good enough defense for doing atrocities? Another article here...
Edited on Thu May-07-09 03:04 PM by uppityperson
Should that excuse someone from doing something else awful? Is it a good defense?

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20090507/NEWS01/905070356/1008/Jury+deliberates+fate+of+ex-soldier+in+Iraqi+murders+
...But Green's attorney told the jury that the former soldier was suffering from extreme combat stress and should not be executed for the murders 20 miles south of Baghdad.

"The war broke him, and America owes its broken soldiers nothing less than justice," federal public defender Scott Wendelsdorf said.

(clip)The facts in the case were not in great dispute. Instead, the evidence and closing arguments focused on Green's frame of mind on March 12, 2006, the day of the crimes....
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 07:39 PM
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23. The brutal gang rape of a child in front of her family, then murdering all of them.
By setting them on fire.

There is no justification or defense of that.
Never.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 03:04 PM
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17. We don't torture or commit war crimes
The commander-in-chief said so.

I can't tell you how much I just fuckin' hate (hate with the white-hot intensity of a thousand nuns) George W. Bush and his band of enablers, sycophants, demons, minions and lickspittles who brought all this about for their own amusement.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 03:17 PM
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18. Green admitted crime, ex-sergeant says (he got other-than-honorable discharge)
Ex-sergeant was charges for not telling, and making false statement, but charges dismissed and other-than-honorable discharge given 2 yrs later.

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20090430/NEWS01/904300367

Anthony Yribe, who was in the same unit of the 101st Airborne Division with Steven Dale Green, told jurors yesterday that Green admitted to the crimes in two separate interviews, one hours after the attack on March 12, 2006, and again the next day.

Yribe said he met Green and another soldier at a traffic checkpoint after seeing the bodies. "Green said something to the effect of, 'I did that,' " Yribe said during testimony on the third day of Green's trial in U.S. District Court.

During an interview the next day, Yribe again questioned Green about details of the crime. Yribe said Green accurately described how many bodies there were and where they were in the house. But Green refused to implicate other soldiers. "He said he did it alone," said Yribe.

Yribe testified he was charged with dereliction of duty and making a false official statement for not telling military investigators about his conversation with Green. He said that as part of a deal with prosecutors, the charges were dismissed and he accepted an other-than-honorable discharge in 2008.
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 07:32 PM
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22. All of this, just to steal oil.
Bush et al, their karma is heavy indeed.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 04:15 PM
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19. Guilty on all counts!
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