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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 11:37 AM
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Torture enthusiasts Bush/Cheney et al wrote the memos, Pelosi didn't.
Stay focused.

And here is an article wondering what she could have done about it anyway:

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/08/pelosi-torture-briefing/

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While it remains unclear what Pelosi knew and when she knew it, it should not be forgotten that Pelosi did not write the memos authorizing the use of torture or carry that torture out; the Bush administration did. Further, the CIA briefed Pelosi without staff, told her their practices were legal, and forbade her from discussing the meeting with colleagues. As such, Pelosi could not work to “outlaw the practices.” Marc Ambinder notes that the only way Pelosi could have registered her objections at that time was to “walk out of the briefing, telling those CIA officials who came that what she just heard did not constitute a formal briefing.” The result? The CIA would have simply tried to re-brief her at a later date, but the Bush administration would have continued to carry out torture anyways.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 11:40 AM
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1. Don't confuse people with the facts. nt
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 11:44 AM
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2. Pelosi was part of an equal part of Government with the Administration.... She had a duty...
Edited on Fri May-08-09 11:45 AM by LakeSamish706
to consult Congressional lawyers if she had any doubt about what she was told might break any laws and/or the Constitution.
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 11:49 AM
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3. No, she could not talk to anyone. Period.
Just cause they are lawyers doesn't give them security clearance. That was part of Bush's plan. He says that he gave them the info, whether he did or not, and they can't say boo about it to anyone. But he can make them look guilty when the time comes, and folks, the time has now come.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 11:53 AM
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4. Not according to Johnathan Turly... He clearly stated last night that Pelosi is every bit...
as guilty as the Bush Administration for these tortures, if she knew about them and didn't do anything to stop it.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 11:55 AM
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6. "if" is the operative word. And it is a pretty big one.
Especially if Cheney's crew of liars is involved in this, which no doubt they are.
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 12:02 PM
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7. Yeah, well Turley testified in favor of the Clinton impeachment, too.
He bad mouths Obama on a regular basis. I try to stick with facts, not with the pundits who spew them in different directions.

Has he said what she should have done? What would Turley do?

Bush wanted her between a rock and a hard place. Guess he wins, don't he?
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 12:08 PM
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8. I guess if your correct we will just let this pile of scum walk free and that truly...
will be a crime. Lets hope they get what is coming to them either in this lifetime or thereafter (if there is such a thing). And I do include Pelosi in the scum thing.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 11:54 AM
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5. Additionally Cheney and his crew are not exactly "TRUTH MACHINES"
I expect the briefings were dishonest.

Additionally, I have a hunch this leak of the CIA docs to the WaPo is a "Cheney Sleeper Cell" production.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 12:09 PM
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9. Are you implying that Dems are trying to eat their own again? How dast you bring facts to the table?
As much as some of us might have wanted all our Congresscritters to throw themselves on their swords and die honorably, maybe it's good that they live to fight another day. That day is now.

Hekate


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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 12:09 PM
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10. Let's find out the whole truth
and then decide who should be punished and how severely.


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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 12:20 PM
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11. She was made aware of the crimes and did nothing
Moreover she went so far as to make sure nothing was done to investigate or prosecute.
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