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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 03:06 PM
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Republicans may not have empathy, but mice do. Empathy shown to be genetic

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090211082354.htm

Empathy Partly Based On Genes, Mouse Study Shows
ScienceDaily (Feb. 16, 2009) — The ability to empathize with others is partially determined by genes, according to new research on mice from the University of Wisconsin-Madison and Oregon Health and Science University (OHSU).



In the study, a highly social strain of mice learned to associate a sound played in a specific cage with something negative simply by hearing a mouse in that cage respond with squeaks of distress. A genetically different mouse strain with fewer social tendencies did not learn any connection between the cues and the other mouse's distress, showing that the ability to identify and act on another's emotions may have a genetic basis

Like humans, mice can automatically sense and respond to others' positive and negative emotions, such as excitement, fear or anger. Understanding empathy in mice may lead to important discoveries about the social interaction deficits seen in many human psychosocial disorders, including autism, schizophrenia, depression and addiction, the researchers say. For example, nonverbal social cues are frequently used to identify early signs of autism in very young children.

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The differences exhibited by the two strains show that there is a genetic component to the ability to perceive and act based on another's emotional state, the researchers say. Future studies will focus on the genetic differences between the mouse strains to try to identify some of the specific genes that may be involved.


Hmm....psychosocial disorders including autism, schizophrenia, depression, addiction and . . . .Republicanism?

Is is possible that a lack empathy may actually drive people into becoming Republicans? The hallmark of Democrats is that they have always cared far more for the downtrodden while Republicans just don't seem to care. Right now a significant number of them are saying openly that they don't even know what empathy is - is it possible they are actually telling the truth? George Bush certainly lacked the gene, if that's what it is, with his frog explosions, fraternity branding iron, mocking imminent death row execution, okaying torture, etc.

I'm starting to think that one's political preferences are more inate than we might think.




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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 03:14 PM
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1. Well, we do know that reich-wing "brains" are wired a little differently than normal people. It is
not much of a stretch to the idea that values and beliefs have some physiological component.

Though I would not go so far as to insult rodents by comparing them to repukes - that bar is too low.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 03:35 PM
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2. I'm not sure I buy this.
Perhaps it is just the summary, but rather than measuring empathy, it seems they only measured the ability to associate the sound in the other cage with the distress squeaks.

Did the empathetic mice react to the distress squeaks themselves and just fail to build the association between the sound and the distress?

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trthnd4jstc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 05:29 PM
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11. There is a scientific theory called Limbic Resonance, and no I do not have to provide you a link.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 03:42 PM
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3. Yup, we 'do-gooders' mocked
Edited on Fri May-08-09 03:48 PM by elleng
by my 'stranged repug husb. Children couldn't understand WHY he did/does that!
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 03:53 PM
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4. Humans are born with empathy. Hatred is learned.
Repugs teach hate.
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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 03:56 PM
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5. Agreed. But I think the ability to absorb and perpetuate hatred
has something to do with a person's hard wiring...some will embrace it and others will be repulsed by it.
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Stellabella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 04:24 PM
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8. Well, I think that some people are born without empathy.
Like those who enjoy killing and seeing other suffer.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 05:33 PM
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12. I don't know--it seems like most children have no idea other people's feelings matter at all.
I think empathy is something people must nurture and develop in kids.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 04:13 PM
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6. I HATE the "Autistics have problems with empathy" nonsense, it's bad science.
In my experience as someone with Asperger's Syndrome my ability to empathize is perfectly fine, it's just that I need to be given more explicit signals of people's emotional states, and this need for more explicit signals seems to cause "the experts" to think we have problems empathizing. Well jeez, it's hard to empathize when one isn't getting the information about other people's mental states. :eyes:

The allusions to W's sociopathic behavior in the OP is exactly why the notion that us autistics have problems empathizing is so dangerous, it makes people think we are uncaring monsters.
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whoneedstickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 05:03 PM
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10. Thanks for your informative response...
I have some honest questions. So, if you aware that you might not be 'getting information' is it possible for you to learn some communication strategies? Obviously there is no bright line between those who are fully informed (if that is possible) of the emotional states of others and those who are ignorant. Anyone's level of knowledge about others' emotional states must actually lie on this continuum (full to no knowledge) so presumably --if we want to be empathetic-- we must all develop coping strategies to deal with information lapses. Could someone with Autism or Asperger's learn more advance or systematic emotional communication strategies to acquire this information? Might the use (or non use) of such strategies be considered evidence of (or lack of) empathy?
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 09:20 PM
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13. In my case it is a mix of emotional maturity and training myself to see and know the...
...various signals of emotional states such as tone of voice and body language that most people understand intuitively. Also, asking a person if they are OK or if something is troubling them is important because it gives direct verbal information.

I don't think use or non-use of such strategies can be considered evidence of empathy, since many on the Autism spectrum simply give up trying to learn such strategies out of despair because of the "Autistics don't have empathy" nonsense.
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Stellabella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 04:23 PM
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7. Hey, last winter there was a commotion in one of my trees.
A tiny bird was caught on a branch with a string wrapped around his leg. Tons of other birds were cheeping in distress and fluttering around him.

I went out and cut the string and the bird took off in an instant.

That was definitely empathy, or at least realization that one of their own was in trouble.
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 04:42 PM
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9. The term "stool pigeon" came from the practice of tying a pigeon to
a stool outside -- other pigeons would fly toward its distress calls.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 10:53 PM
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14. Yet one more trait falsely believed to be the sacred dominion of humanity, how many more
before we recognize the "humanity" of our fellow animals who are not not homo sapiens?
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 11:10 PM
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15. Compassion meditation can increase empathy levels
http://www.spicezee.com/articles/story44.htm

Washington, March 30: Being compassionate is no longer a feeling that is imbibed within you as your attribute, because according to a new research, such feelings can be cultivated in the brain courtesy meditation, which can make a person more empathetic to other peoples' mental states.

Researchers at the University of Wisconsin-Madison said that cultivating compassion and kindness through meditation affects brain regions that can make a person more empathetic to other peoples' mental states.

The study was the first to use functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) to indicate that positive emotions such as loving-kindness and compassion can be learned in the same way as playing a musical instrument or being proficient in a sport.




I think the central moral principles and values of the conservatives vs liberals are reciprocation and group dynamics for conservatives vs. egalitarianism for liberals. What that means is that republicans believe (because they can't handle the truth probably) that good things happen to good people and bad things happen to bad people. It gives the illusion of control over one's destiny. So I think conservatives just convince themselves that the downtrodden deserve it due to character flaws, which short circuits their empathy.
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