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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 05:56 PM
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Here it is, the photo everyone is having a conniption over


White House aide resigns over NYC flyover

NBC News and news services
updated 12:16 p.m. ET, Sat., May 9, 2009
WASHINGTON - A top White House aide resigned Friday for his role in Air Force One's $328,835 photo-op flyover above New York City that sparked panic and flashbacks to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Louis Caldera said the controversy had made it impossible for him to effectively lead the White House Military Office. "Moreover, it has become a distraction in the important work you are doing as president," Caldera said in his resignation letter to President Barack Obama.

The sight of the huge passenger jet and an F-16 fighter plane flying past the Statue of Liberty and the lower Manhattan financial district sent panicked office workers streaming into the streets on April 27. Obama said it would not happen again.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30643376/?GT1=43001
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pepperbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 05:57 PM
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1. man, that SO could've been photoshopped. n/t
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 05:57 PM
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2. Agreed -- needless expense and panic
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konnichi wa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 05:58 PM
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3. Well, actually it was. The F16 pilot forgot to put film in his camera.
:rofl:
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 06:04 PM
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9. Yeah, and it was a digital camera..
Which makes it even more :rofl: worthy..
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 06:04 PM
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10. That's what I said when I heard about this-- a fucking airplane?
Edited on Sat May-09-09 06:04 PM by Marr
There's nothing easier to photoshop into a scene than an airplane. Hell, there are detailed 3-d models of Air Force 1 already available for a nominal fee, and they'd be indistinguishable from the real thing if rendered properly. I could've provided one for 1/5 the cost of the fuel alone.

Whoever made that decision was an idiot on several levels. Good riddance.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 06:47 PM
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23. I'll be there were other issues involved in this decision--not necessarily smart issues, but issues.
--I'm guessing there was a desire for a unit photo for all of the AF1 crowd, to include the support crew.

--I'm guessing they had a lotta fuel left in the quarterly accounts that they wanted to burn up, and of course, they CAN have as much as they want, given who their customer is, but it's "custom and tradition" to use it all up every quarter.

--Perhaps there were a few pilots and crew who needed a few more hours on their yellow sheets for pay qualification maintenance purposes, or simply because they like acquiring the hours.

--Maybe a few new pilots had reported to the unit, and they wanted to give them the opportunity to fart around with the plane without having "himself" or the missus onboard.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 06:19 PM
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15. Is that a challenge!? n/t
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 06:42 PM
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22. I agree that it could have and should have been
what's funny (and sad) is the rightwing media noise machine would have had just as big of a conniption fit if it were.
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uncle ray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 09:41 PM
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32. WE here on DU would have made a big deal of a photoshopped photo op
back in the bush days.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 08:33 AM
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39. good point. And we did.
Actually, some here would have thrown a fit in the Obama days too....
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 09:47 PM
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35. That's what I was thinking...
and for a lot less money!

And really? We need pictures to "sell" this to the public? PR gone mad, I think.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 06:00 PM
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4. the whole thing could have been easily avoided by proper notification
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 06:00 PM
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5. No doubt
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Chemisse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 06:01 PM
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6. Cool photo though
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 06:02 PM
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7. Whose thumb is blocking the bottom right corner? n/t
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konnichi wa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 06:23 PM
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17. NOT a thumb. One of these
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 06:33 PM
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20. No wonder they didn't want anyone to say anything.
Makes perfect sense now.

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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 06:02 PM
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8. thought you meant this one:
Edited on Sat May-09-09 06:03 PM by Gabi Hayes
Miss California, on her speaking tour

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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 06:08 PM
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11. If this had happened in Albuquerque, the national news media would have scarcely noticed.
Yes this bureaucrat screwed up. Yes, his resignation was probably warranted. I am aware of the memories of 9/11 that this summons to many people. But think about it, would the reaction have been the same from the all mighty MSM if this had been in a city in the middle of the country?

New Yorkers think they live in the center of the universe.

They don't.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 06:15 PM
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13. It had little to do with being "the center of the universe".
Edited on Sat May-09-09 06:18 PM by TwilightZone
It had more to do with an unannounced low-flying jet buzzing a city hit by two low-flying jets in 2001.

The Albuquerque comparison would be apt had a 9/11-like event occurred there.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 06:21 PM
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16. Albuquerque didn't have the twin towers which were the symbols of Amercican capitalism.
America's economic power was symbolized by the twin towers. That's the difference.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 09:39 PM
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31. That was my point.
Comparing a fly-by in Albuquerque to one in Manhattan makes zero sense.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 09:50 PM
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36. Exactly. I think it might be more difficult for people
Edited on Sat May-09-09 09:51 PM by JerseygirlCT
not from the area to understand the depth of the feelings from that day. And especially the fear. New Yorkers are not a naturally fearsome lot; you can't be timid to succeed there! (Try driving in that city!) But after living through something like 9/11, those people never, ever should have been made to experience that all again - for a photo op.

What if there had been an unannounced building implosion in Oklahoma City a few years after that attack? Do you think there might have been a bit of an uproar about that? And I don't know that anyone from Oklahoma City has been accused of thinking they live in the center of the universe.

(Besides, in a lot of ways, NYC IS the center of the known universe!) ;)
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 08:45 PM
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30. It was a low-flying
747 jumbo jet being visibly tailed by a military fighter plane (not shown in this particular photo) and all of this happening right in the exact neighborhood where the Twin Towers used to be. And excuse me, if New Yorkers are still a little jumpy at unexplained, unannounced, unpublicized sights like these. It has nothing to do with your offensive canard about "New Yorkers thinking they live in the center of the universe" (nice blanket condemnation and painting with a very broad brush). It has everything to do with New York was attacked. Albuquerque wasn't.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 06:13 PM
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12. Stupid concept and composition anyway.
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Mike 03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 06:31 PM
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18. I agree with respect to the composition. It looks like Air Force One is taking
Edited on Sat May-09-09 06:31 PM by Mike 03
a crap or something, with that brown island beneath it.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 06:17 PM
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14. Who resigned over lying us into a war? n/t
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 06:31 PM
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19. well, at least it's a nice photo ... nt
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 06:35 PM
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21. I think some are more upset at the cost of it than anything else now
(not discounting the other issues mentioned re: 9/11 and such).

In this computer age they could have made that photo for free using gimp or photoshop or some other program.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 06:49 PM
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25. Fuel costs for training--you don't even wanna know.
It's through the roof, and that's even with increased use of simulators....
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 06:48 PM
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24. I had my NY Times open to that picture at breakfast this morning.
My server saw it and said "Wow, cool picture!" So I told him the story, which he had heard nothing about.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 06:52 PM
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26. I need a 1280 x 854 for my wallpaper.
.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 07:29 PM
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27. It's not even a good photographic composition, IMHO.
The photographer needs to be fired, too. I could do better.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 02:31 PM
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41. And the conditions could be better. There's a lot of haze.
Probably just the normal smog, but they could have waited for more ideal conditions.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 07:32 PM
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28. They could have shot the plane from a helicopter while it was on the ground
and photo-shopped the New York skyline in without AF1 ever needing to leave the ground.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 07:35 PM
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29. Sigh, why couldn't that have been done with photoshop
or whatever. What a waste of money.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 09:45 PM
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33. I think it's a cool photo, but not a particularly good photo.
The composition is very static. The Statue of Liberty should be more to the right, the plane very slightly to the left. And, if it had been Photoshopped instead of wasting $328,835, they could have avoided the muddy colors, the window glare and the shadow of the plane's window frame in the lower right corner.

The idea is cool enough. But every single thing about the execution of the idea is bad bad bad.

.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 09:46 PM
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34. Cost was $300,000.00
Waste of Money!
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 09:51 PM
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37. How many meals could that have paid for in NYC? nt
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 02:19 PM
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40. Exactly...That's why Obama fired the guy.....
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 03:27 PM
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42. Right! Worlds away from "heckuva job, Brownie!" nt
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 09:52 PM
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38. Obama admitted tonight that is was Sasha and Malia taking
Airforce 1 on a joy ride to Manhattan, They're grounded.
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