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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:11 AM Original message |
NTSB: Colgan pilot, as student, was "slow". At time of crash, may have been flirting with copilot |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
1. Continental is going to have to dig deep on this one |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:25 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Were they responsible for hiring this guy or was Colgan? nt |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:31 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. This is all Colgan's, but they flew as Continental |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:40 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Hmmm. |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:08 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Not properly trained on the warning system?! |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
30. He OVERRODE the system, too |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:40 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. I saw that from a different source, but yeah, I saw and posted that yesterday. |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
2. Out of curiousity, what is so special about conversation and 10,000 feet? |
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renegade000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:26 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. I'm not an expert, unlike some others on this board, |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:33 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. That is correct and at or below 10,000 there is a lot more traffic; |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
24. the only conversation between pilot and copilot I've seen didn't sound like "flirting" |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
39. Less room for error obviously |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
49. Talking is if you see "icing you've never seen before" and then continue on chattering away. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
3. there is incompetents in all jobs, but a real bitch if one has a pilot |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
4. uggh... Wonder if he was drunk too? |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. as opposed to appropriate sexual harassment? |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:37 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Yes! Sometimes sexual harassment is appropriate! |
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WorseBeforeBetter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
10. Here are some Facebook entries from a Colgan pilot: |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:40 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. wow. wow. surely you are joking. this is for real? hm |
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WorseBeforeBetter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. It's real ... I found this guy through an acquaintance. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. The stupidity boggles my mind. isnt that just the truth. |
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konnichi wa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
22. Sorry, I don't believe it. |
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WorseBeforeBetter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Believe whatever the fuck you want. |
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konnichi wa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Well, what can I say in response to such unimpeachable evidence? |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. You know, having that avatar doesn't erase the posts you've made |
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konnichi wa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. It isn't supposed to. What exactly do you find objectionable? |
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WorseBeforeBetter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:11 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. No one is buying your act. |
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konnichi wa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:31 AM Response to Reply #40 |
50. My "act"? I'm doing an act because I don't believe a fantastic 3rd hand claim |
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WorseBeforeBetter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #28 |
41. No, I do not work for one of Colgan's competitors. (n/t) |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. Quelle surprise |
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nsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 05:00 PM Response to Reply #10 |
27. The Colgan pilot, Marvin Renslow, was 47. |
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WorseBeforeBetter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:22 PM Response to Reply #27 |
43. I wasn't suggesting that it was the same guy. |
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renegade000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
16. I don't know how they do Crew Resource Management training, |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:05 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. No, it makes me think SNL should hire you as a writer |
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Ezlivin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
20. That's why GOD should have been the copilot |
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konnichi wa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Every time a pilot turns the controls over to 'God the co-pilot' it ends badly. |
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Ezlivin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. God will make pilot as soon as he stops impregnating young virgins |
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riverdeep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
21. Thom Hartmann was talking about this yesterday. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
29. He also overrode the emergency "stickpusher" system, and hadn't even been trained on it |
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konnichi wa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. How would someone 'override' something they had no training on? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #34 |
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konnichi wa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. "learn some fucking manners"??? And to think, some said irony was dead. |
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Maiden England (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #34 |
46. think that refers to the stick pusher |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. They are quite aware of what I was talking about |
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Born_A_Truman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
35. I read the transcript of the CVR ... what flirting?? |
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konnichi wa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. The 'sterile cockpit' rule was a hysterical over-reaction to a rare problem. |
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JustJeking (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:50 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. I don't think they were flirting - |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:46 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. He was teasing and joking around in the end, definitely being cute. |
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Born_A_Truman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
42. Cockpit Voice Recorder Transcript Link (pdf) |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
45. I wonder if any of the flirting included the phrase "my cockpit"... |
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