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TheCoxwain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 05:05 PM
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should there be term limits for senators and congresspersons ?
this will ensure that nobody gets 'cultivated' and come crucial vote time like the health reform, .. their balls cant be squeezed.



If it applies to presidency - why not extend it to others as well.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 05:08 PM
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1. I'm all for it AND
after they've left office, the citizens can change their health and retirement plans at whim.
Sort of like what happens to us based on corporate whim
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 05:09 PM
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2. Actually we need publicly financed elections. That way the big
fund raisers won't be the ones left to run for office. Instead maybe we might get the best candidate to run instead.
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TheCoxwain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 05:10 PM
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5. Then it becomes difficult for an unknown with good ideas to replace an incumbent..


terms limits will get people paying attention ..
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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 05:10 PM
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3. Yes. n/t
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 05:10 PM
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4. There already is. Its called voting.
What is needed is to curtail lobbyists. And to do that we need to rescind person hood for corporations.
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recoveringdittohed Donating Member (463 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 05:21 PM
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7. Agree, we are the term limits
I live in OH-01 district and last November we the voters "term limited" Steve Chabot R-OH.

While I do agree with term limits for executive offices (President, Governor Mayor), I don't agree with term limits for legislators. I think legislative bodies lose their institutional memory and lobbyists become more powerful with term limits.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 05:11 PM
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6. Difficult question
I think Strom Thurmond and I say term limits

Then I think Ted Kennedy and I say no term limits
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Spike89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 05:27 PM
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8. No. Wouldn't do what you think
The fresh-faced, idealistic Mr.(Ms.) Smith going to Washington is a myth. The election process currently requires huge cash, cash that has bought the candidate way before they ever announce. Big money supporters would actually benefit from new/unknown people coming through regularly. The more established senators and congresscritters already have the ability to raise no-strings money if they choose to and some can actually think about their legacy and become "uncorrupt". New folks will just be disposable bribe sponges fronted by corporations that promise them jobs once the term limit is up.

I can accept losing the option of voting for a 3rd term president...it is a very different type of job and it does matter that it is a solitary position.
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 05:36 PM
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9. You're right.
Term limits cause more problems than they solve. The voters already have the power to remove their representative if they choose to.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 05:39 PM
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10. Nope.....imagine what we'd do without the few long-tenured reps that fight for PEOPLE...
Edited on Tue May-12-09 05:40 PM by FLAprogressive
like Feingold, Kucinich, and Peter DeFazio.
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 06:05 PM
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14. My thoughts exactly.
Shouldn't we have the right to keep congress critters we like as well as the right to fire the ones we hate every two or six years? I think so.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 06:15 PM
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16. the problem is that we have how many who actually do that.....
and the rest who work for corporations. who was it who said they should wear signage like race car drivers do...
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 07:24 PM
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20. and that would change because of term-limits?
In reality, it would give lame ducks the power to vote however they'd like because they're no longer accountable to the voters after their final election.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 07:54 PM
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21. i understand. i just wish there was a way to have people who were there to represent
their constituents. public financing??? i don't know. it's just ridiculous that most of these clowns both dem and republican aren't working for their constituents.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 07:58 PM
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23. public financing is a start.
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 05:41 PM
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11. I think I would propose a hybrid type system...
wherein after the requisite number of terms (whatever the "max" would be) require a supermajority for re-election.

Say give Reps 4 terms, then kick in a requirement to get 60% of the vote or something. For senate, make it 3 terms, or maybe even 2.

Just spitballin'.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 05:46 PM
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12. My idea is something like that.
2 terms then out. Run again after your successor's first term.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 05:54 PM
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13. Yes to term limits
If someone is really good, let them be really good as governor, senator, house member, businessman, university president rather than just sitting in the same job for 30 years, or drooling in the same hospital bed if you're Bobby Byrd or Strom Thurmond.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 06:14 PM
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15. well that only works if they don't get lifetime healthcare from it and also
if they don't get a pension from it either. i think they need to return to the real world after they are done. They shouldn't be able to go work for lobbying firms or anyone that they regulated or anything. i know that will never happen, but the only way they are going to legislate for real people is if they ARE real people who will actually have to live with the laws they make. i knowit will never happen, but that is what we need.
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konnichi wa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 06:24 PM
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17. No. I don't want to lose the right to keep or dump my own representative.
The president is different, he works for (or is supposed to) all Americans.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 06:25 PM
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18. no
I don't support term limits..
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 07:01 PM
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19. Only if you want lobbyists to be the only people with long-term memory in DC
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 07:56 PM
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22. No. I don't believe any more limits on the people's power to vote for whom they like should be...
Edited on Tue May-12-09 08:19 PM by BlooInBloo
should be enacted. It never stops striking me as strange that so many DO wish to further limit their own right to vote.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 08:01 PM
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24. My proposal would be 3 terms for a Senator and 8 for a congressperson
Edited on Tue May-12-09 08:02 PM by depakid
That's plenty long enough- and it would help to keep corrupt octogenarians from certain states from having to essentially be wheeled out in a coffin.
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lies and propaganda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 09:07 PM
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25. yes, yes yes!
I honestly believe, and I maybe flamed for this, that people 65+ really have no place making laws and decisions for the whole of people who are far more progressive in their ideals.

I just dont want some 95 year old like Strom Thurmond making the laws that I have to abide by..
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