Why we must see the torture pictures

At the end of WW II Dwight Eisenhower ordered that Germans who lived around the concentration
camps had to "visit" the camps to see what had been done and in many cases the German citizens
had to help bury the dead.



Now if our worst fears are true that Rummy and Cheney ordered the torture so the prisoners would
confess to link between Iraq and 9/11 that they knew did not exist then we need to prosecute them and
not hide the evidence of their crimes.

Iraq the costs

$3 Trillion
1 million + dead Iraqis
4 to 6 million homeless Iraqis
ruined public water supplies
loss of electricty
loss of public schools
4,300 dead U.S. troops
60,000 + wounded, injured, ill, and mental trauma cases (40,000 + who had to be air lifted out of Iraq
10,000 U.S. Troops w/ traumatic brain injuries
Ethnically Cleansed towns in Iraq
al Qaeda stronger
bin Laden still unaccounted for
Torture & imprisonment of innocent Iraqis

They tortured in order to get approval to commit crimes against humanity. The fact that Cheney is running scared all over the tv only underscores it.

The lie was that Poland had attacked a German radio station. And Japan aggression was in part
based on that country's need for raw materials such as oil and rubber ..... Cheney started the
Iraq war in part because he wanted at it's oil.



Map of Iraqi oil fields that Sec. Paul O'Neil said was on Dick's desk in March 2001

Rahm Emmanuel and Axelrod think this administration can weather any and all storms, that don't get the GOP's undies in a bundle. They are convinced that they have democratic support come hell and high water.

Politicians can NEVER be left to do what they please. Even the best must be pushed with public opinion.

they had during the election.

Obama is losing support by the day, from real Democrats, with his rightward actions.

Maybe they figure they can make up for it from repukes.

It doesn't matter how "real" Democrats feel. The truthslayers in the WH Political offices will use their advantage to distance Obama from EVERYTHING that even MIGHT be controversial. It is looking like the Bill Clinton administration again, and that isn't surprising considering how many of Clinton's people he has around him.

anything at all?

However, if they're withholding them for now due to legal issues... I can see the logic in that.

Someday, maybe the victims themselves will come forward and demand they be released.

cultural treasures; millions of angry Iraqis who will not forget their dead and injured loved ones for a long time; millions of angry muslims around the whole who see this as unjust in a number of ways; fleeing of irreplaceable Iraqi educated middle and professional class out of the country; and more. What we did to another country and to ourselves is astonishing...never could have envisioned it before 2003.

If the Germans had ordered their own people to go witness the camps and help bury the dead, then your analogy might be more accurate. One of the problems here is that the government is coming to grips with ordering accountability for themselves. Changes of party aside, it's still tricky. I truly hope that we'll do just that, but I'm guessing that it's the sort of thing that has to be done well. Admitting to war crimes is no simple task for a country...I hope that we're finding a way to set up a small group of rogue criminals, culling them from the rest of our country, in order to take them down (Cheney couldn't be playing more into that hand by going on TV and spreading obvious BS in front of everyone). Rushing something like this that WILL shift techtonic plates internally and abroad is not necessary. I just hope it's in the master plan somewhere along the way with or without the photos. Seems obvious that it MUST be done and that Obama is clear-headed and moral enough to realize that. This administration MUST separate itself from the criminals...there must be some fall guys.

I've become a huge cynic over the last 8 years but I'm going for a more hopeful outlook with Obama until proven otherwise.

From the first night of "Shock and Awe" I have been in a position to hear from those most personally affected; things like the screeches of grief as I climbed the staircase of my neighbor's building. From the VERY BEGINNING, American troops went postal on Iraqi civilians. It was something Amis DID NOT WANT TO HEAR and I reserved what I'd gleaned to the few who understood. Far too many still don't want to see or hear it.

I dutifully looked at the photos a HERO in America's military brought to light in attempt to preserve his nation's integrity. I fear to mention his name lest one more of his "misguided" countrymen decides the messenger is the ticket. It was important to see the images he provided us.

The images of WW2 are burned into the consciousness of my beloved adopted town. There are the DAILY reminders; plaques in the sidewalks, on which I'm careful NEVER to step, dates engraved on buildings, postcards of the post-bombing devastation in die Altstadt where the tourists roam... Our cultural heritage remains standing ONLY because the air forces used it for navigation. Go to the Dom now on any day and you will find people from around the globe strolling about. Turn on the TV and there will be a program about that war SOMEWHERE. No we must NEVER FORGET.

Unfortunately Amis have no experience that they simply admit to as something to inform their society and repent for. AND, they've NEVER had bombs dropped on their heads. Today, they REFUSE to acknowledge the UNFORGIVABLE acts perpetrated in their names.

THE IRAQI PEOPLE ARE THE WALKING DEAD. IRAQ IS A TOXIC WASTE DUMP.

Americans NEED TO KNOW IT. Conditioned as they are to only believe what they see on TV, THEY must see the pictures. Everyone else in the world HAS LONG SINCE GOTTEN THE PICTURE. This argument about "inflaming the savages" is grotesque and inherently racist. The American MIC has committed GENOCIDE in Iraq. THAT is the short and long of it.

Now before ya'll go runnin' off half-baked into Afghanistan or AFPAK as it were, it would be nice if you got to see the fruits of your labors (blood and treasure) in the country your gubmint CLAIMS to be exiting,