I dislike calling the turn coat traitor bastards "Blue Dogs". I propose we rename them the "Red Dogs

With these corporatist bastards in our party we will never get anything progressive done. We need to kick them out or leave ourselves.

Down with the DLC/Red Dog Dems.

I too think they need to be removed from the lexicon. I prefer corporate Dems.

I'm for getting them out, too. However, we've got to find real progressive Dems to run against them & their DLC $.

haven't been paying attention. voting to give the rich tax breaks or voting with the banks against the consumers is bullshit.

My wife's a doctor, my brother has a significant net worth and I'm friends with a lot of poor people. I don't begrudge anyone who made their money legally. I'm not fond of criminals of any ilk.

David

"I don't begrudge anyone who made their money legally." I would like to point out that the "legally" you are referring to was decided by those that are rich. Do you begrudge Exxon for making hundreds of billions? They did it all legally. They have their congresspeople make the laws so they can rip us off. But it is legal. We, i mean us that pay a significant portion of our money in taxes, actually give insurance to the oil producers. If they strike it rich, they get the profits, if they hit a dry hole, we pay them. It apparently was legal when Sen Fritz made about $16 million on insider trading. The wealthy of this country are robbing the middle class blind. In the last eight years the wealthy and the corporations doubled their wealth while the middle class lost in every measure of health. There is a very fine line between Enron and Halliburton. Sooner or later you will have to pick a side.

It's unbecoming.

David

Not provide any input. I you dont recognize the class war, you must be on the winning side. For the record I didn't change the debate. the DLC are humans that are bought and paid for whores for the big corporations. They are quickly kill us. Us meaning the lower classes.

I provided plenty of input, you just didn't like it. I don't begrudge my wife for making a very good salary after spending 9 years in school, I worked 3 jobs while she was in school, guess what I don't feel a damn bit guilty about our income. I don't begrudge my brother for risking everything and starting a company that is now worth millions. My brother gives huge amounts of money to charity. Why would I hold his wealth against him? Just because he is in a higher class, are you serious? I'm not talking about corporations, I'm talking about people. It is people who make up classes not corporations.

David

"I provided plenty of input"

Nope. Unless input is considered to be toadying for the rich.


"I don't begrudge my wife for making a very good salary after spending 9 years in school"

And I probably would not begrudge it either.... if all Americans had an equal opportunity to prosper. But they don't. And, until we have equal guaranteed and free education for all who can utilize it, there is no equal opportunity.


"I worked 3 jobs while she was in school".

Bummer, man. But, oh yeah, many working families (and their kids) have to do that just to put food on the table! Guess you and the wife are eating well? No missed meals? :eyes:


"I don't begrudge my brother for risking everything and starting a company that is now worth millions."

Just a question. Did the honorable B-I-L create "new wealth"? Or has he just "redistributed it" from someone else's pocket to his? Prosperous Mortgage broker, perhaps??


"My brother gives huge amounts of money to charity"

Prove it. Bring him out of the dark. I've heard that weak BS so many times from yoir types, I never believe it unless it is proven. And, since it would be on public records of the charity (I assume you mean charity and not to some church??) and he should have no problem with divulging it.


"It is people who make up classes not corporations."

This must be fatuous because, if it isn't, you must be. Show me the percentage of those who makes it to the "upper classes" without benefit of the corporations.


Wow, you are a real piece of work!

My brother started a software company. Clearly many people aren't intelligent enough to complete my wife's level of education, it seems petty to hold that against her. You are a fool if you think I would post any personal information in regards to my brother or his company on this website. Feel free to be at war with the corporations or the upper class, I think it's born of jealousy and is petty and bigoted. Personally I choose the corporations I deal with and I refuse to be jealous of people who have more money than I do. If they got their money legally I have no problem with them.


David

You are trying to deflect the debate to "please don't hate the rich".

I will try to be clear.

I loath a government where billions of dollars are spent by some wealthy corporations and individuals to make it easier for them to make money, not from hard work, but from government subsidies or handouts or tax relief, at the expense of the rest of us.

I loath the fact that every year we see the wealthy elite skimming off more and more money while more and more middle class people slide into poverty. The United States has a greater disparity between rich and poor than any other country.

I loath the system that allows billionaires to make more at the expense of people losing their homes.

I am curious if you are a Democrat. It seems to me from your posts that you are extremely naive about what is happening in this country. Every day i see more people that I personally know out of work. I see the people getting help from the foodbank that i volunteer at increase 15%. I see the country being placed in a terrible insecure position because most of the parts we need for our defense are made outside this country.

I do not loath people that made it by their own hard work. But I do loath people like bush, who is stupider than a post, that become one of the most powerful men in the world just because he has money.

I loath Exxon for using their money to get out of paying for the damage they did to Prince William Sound. their profits are much more important than the people's lives they ruined.

I loath Enron for ruining so many people's lives.

Most people in this country don't have the resources to go to medical school or start a business.

I recommend you volunteer at a soup kitchen or food bank to see what goes on outside the country club you live in.

Then you and someone else felt the need to tear into me and accuse me of a great many things. I don't live in a Country Club I live in a 1400 sq foot house in a working class neighborhood. Unless you consider my UPS driver neighbor one of the elite. I don't have time to volunteer at a soup kitchen I spend to much time working with a dog rescue to which my wife and I also donate a ton of cash. I recommended you get off your high horse since you agree with me. Since all I said was I don't begrudge anyone who earns their money legally. I respect them much more when they also earn it ethically and a generous with their profits.

David

are controlling our government and stealing billion/trillions from the middle class. Not talking about your wife and brother. Talking aabout the top .5% of the wealthiest. They are waging war against us. Soon you will have to choose a side.

I'm a Union member and have been for many years. I chose sides a long time ago.

David

They destroyed many a good company to get where they are. But that is not what I am talking about.

But I give up. Live in peace.

In regards to YOUR writing, you may want to use spell check before bragging about it.

David

It was spell-checked. It doesn't pick up errors like "sided" instead of "sides".

Is this all you can complain about? After calling out others about their ability to write, you should hide your head!

Maybe you need a new spell checker. What is a medical corp Secretary anyway?

David

That would be a personal secretary, at your beck and call, employed by the obscenely profitable shell corporation whose shares are owned by your wife and other offshore and Switzerland-based corporations, said corporation designed to limit both the taxes paid by your own marital community, and all individuals persons thereof, and to shield all principles in said corporation from any lawsuits or criminal actions pursuant to the highhanded and conscious-less manipulation of patient billing accounts to both federal and state agencies which are designed to extract payments well beyond those allowed by said federal and state agencies for the services rendered by inflating reports of costs and services provided.

If there were more money left in the government tills, after your wife's corporation's larcenous and profiteering manipulation of the service contacts for patients, I would receive a bigger pension and could afford a better spellchecker. As it is, I had run out of funds in the reply to your post and could, therefore, only afford to buy an "i" for the "yoir" instead of the preferred "u". (Ask Pat Sajak, if you have any doubts!)

Goliath's very P.O.'ed big brother


(BTW, "yoir" is pronounced "yo' ear" and indicates for whom the post was meant, thus rendering the poverty induced spelling correct. We po' folks make do with what we have.)

never has the last word, does she?

It is you who are being dishonest. That is something unbecoming.

Who do you think owns and profits from corporations? The ****ing Martians?

On edit: I read too quickly. Now I see it is your wife, not B-I-L who is the doctor. However, all conditions still apply. Perhaps, except this consideration. As spouse to the doctor, would you be "in bed with the enemy" if the answers below indicate a "corporate doctor".

Additional note: There are LLC corps, etc., which exist solely to shield the practitioners from lawsuits and bankruptcy of family from lawsuits. To these I have no objections.


Consider if the doctor B-I-L were without any compassion, charity, love, concern or social responsibility. So, if that were the case, what is the good doctor, anyway?? Well, if he is hardworking and industrious and is attempting to maximizes his own bottom line (even if he is scrupulously honest and ethical), then when we add all of the qualities in the first sentence he would become perfectly defined as as a sociopath.

So what is this all about??? Well, the only thing that would separate him from corporate status and corporate definition is his beating, human heart (and any personal qualities such as compassion, charity, love, concern or social responsibility.

Perhaps the person you replied to should have stated it as a "class war" between two different types of persons: and it would be Human Beings vs. Corporations. "Personhood", of course, having been defined in such a manner by Federal Courts that a piece of paper has all of the rights and privileges (and, in economic matters, many more) than you do. Regardless of whether you want a war, the "incorporating papers" of any corporation spell out its purpose, which is profit to be taken from someone else in society, whether you and I or another corporation. And nowhere does it spell out anything about compassion, charity, love, concern or social responsibility.

So, when you find yourself being systematically degraded by the economic forces which hide in the Federally-supplied armor of corporate identity, remember, there are two sided to every story. And two sides to every war... whether you think so or not. And you are included on one side simply because incorporation papers say so. Sorry.

BTW, is your B-I-L's practice a corporate practice?? You should bring this up with him.

Want to compare any talents except bank statement amassing? How about IQ?

I win. You are already dead to me. :evilgrin: (smilie of your soon-to-be new boss, in honor of my win)

Message 82,

I'll surrender with your next answer. :beer:

:toast:

:evilgrin:



:hi:

We have so much meaningful constructive conversation concerning the problems our country faces.

... to be their "moderate" candidates. It's not enough to share values with a given district, but one still needs to tow the corporate line... That's why Schumer and others worked to get Hackett out!

they might feel welcomed and hang around.:hide:

be grown up and resist giving names to anyone while following your own political path.

party ahead of country and vote as a herd instead of thinking individuals. If everyone in congress would vote on the merits of the bill in consideration of his or her constituency, we would have a much better democracy. Instead, the republican sheep short circuit the process.

the republiCons against the people, that's worse.

about people who vote against their opinions.

That or they are more concerned about the environment than other Dems, which also would be a distortion too!

I propose to rename them "Crybaby Crappypants"

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Stooges, moles, collaborators also work.

Bribed to vote against the American worker.
They are despicable.

I think "slimey corporate rats" is a better descriptor! Though perhaps thats insulting to rats too!

We have no real statesmen in government anymore. It would be impossible for them to make it there without selling out. We have brought this on ourselves, it was always hush-hush as long as we had some leverage on them somehow. Well corporations figured it out and now have turned the tide on us. Corporations are now using our politicians as leverage against us. They have done this three or four times in the last couple of centuries and once it took us longer than fifty years to dig them out. I just hope i get to see the end of treachery in my lifetime :shrug:

We were hoping that electing Democrats to Congress we could some how turn around are march toward corporatism.

range of specific issues.

Like in the sagebrush Soap Operas ??

because Republican efforts to push all but true believers out is working so well for them. What a great idea.

When our party has been truly great it has been tolerant and diverse. Without support from conservative Southern Dems as well as Northeastern socialists we would not have had the New Deal. Without support for segregationists as well as civil rights champions, we would not have had the Great Society.

Blue Dogs aren't "turn coats" when they fulfill the campaign promises they made to their conservative constituents. They made no promises to you or to me.

Some Blue Dogs share our views on foreign affairs. Other support interventions that we oppose but vote with progressives on issues that have populist appeal in their districts.

Progressive measures will receive majority support when coaltions are as crafted with as much care and energy as is expended in drafting legislation.

and those who repeatedly side with Republicans and banksters over ordinary folks DO hurt the party and the country. The sooner that they're made less relevant- the better off all of us will be.

It's just ideological purity focused on issues you find very important, just like it's ideological purism when hardcore Republicans try to kick pro-choice Republicans out of their caucus. The fact that they find abortion very important doesn't mean it isn't purism, and it doesn't mean it's a good idea for their party.

Listen to yourselves, pumping yourselves up as the ultimate progressives, as if we would have majority rule or the Presidency based on your definition of Progressive ideology...keep pushing out those who make up the margin of win and see how long we are able to keep the majority and the Presidency...short sighted aren't we?

Why saddle the faithful dog with such a rep?

SMURFS!

Renaming shit is a game for chumps.

:)

it gives blue dog a bad reputation

its always fun to watch you beg when you come calling for our votes come election time.