Where's Panetta?

It seems to me that HE is the obvious one to put this all to rest..

He needs to go public about what happened,who was there, and who's telling the truth..

This whole thing is spinning out of control, and the media is loving every minute of it...

Looks like the republicans have done it yet again. They are experts at the brier patch technique & Nancy's got a mouthful of them.. Every media piece I see is openly mocking her and laughing their asses off at the paper-fumbling, dissembling and contradicting herself.

The republicans smell blood in the water, and like the sharks they are, they are going in for the kill. WE know they are full of shit, but this will not end well..

Panetta owes it to Pres. Obama, to Pelosi and to us, to get out there and lay it all out for us.. I sure as hell don't want this dragging on for months, and it will..

republicans want a weakened speaker, so they can bolster their own slim chances in '10, and the best way they can accomplish this, is to run her into the ground..with the 150% support of all the tv-pals..

America’s spy chief was sent on a secret mission to Israel to warn its leaders not to launch a surprise attack on Iran without notifying the US Administration.

As Binyamin Netanyahu, the Israeli Prime Minister, prepares to visit Washington, it emerged yesterday that Leon Panetta, the head of the CIA, went to Israel two weeks ago. He sought assurances from Mr Netanyahu and Ehud Barak, the Defence Minister, that their hawkish new Government would not attack Iran without alerting Washington

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6289593.ece



fwiw, I still dont trust the CIA regardless of who "thinks" they are in charge over there

We should all take a deep breath. We have no idea where this will
end up.

IMO, from the beginning Nancy should have put her position in
context. HERE IS THE PROBLEM. We all seem to have the memory
of an ant. Back in 2003, the image to the country was that at
least on Capital Hill both parties supported the war.
At that time, fear influenced the country. The only people
I can remember being in disagreement with the war were Dennis
Kucinich, Senator Bob Graham, and B. Lee, House. Nancy Pelosi
may or may not have been against the war. There were not TV Pictures
showing her strongly disagreeing. To the American People if
you do not visibly disagree then you support.

There is one point not being made. Nancy was not the only Democrat
in this position. They all were. As long as the American People
were supporting the war, the Democrats on the Hill were not going
against them. That is the way it is.

It was 2006 AFTER the American People were turning against the
war that the Democrats on the Hill began to speak out.
Even after running on ending the war, they (Dems) would not
go against the Bush SURGE. "We Can't

It was activists who spoke out and tried to point out what
was going on to no avail.

We are now a long way from 2003 and see information we suspected
but did NOT KNOW. The Democrats On the Hill seemed to have blurred
memories. Sure things look bad now--looking back.

In the beginning both parties supported the War. We could never
have gone to war if one party disagreed. We do have a Constitution.
I can remember being just as angry with Dems as Repubs.

We all need to refresh our memories in giving explanations
or we give the Republicans the upper hand. They will the facts
and data to bury us.












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as the NEW head of the CIA...to address the past wrongs..and to reassure us all that things have changed.. It may be time for some heads to roll at the CIA..

I was following this very closely, and ALL polls in Feb '03, just before the invasion, showed nearly 60% of the American people opposed to the war on Iraq. The polls were to be found, generally, on page 48 (so to speak), but they were there, SCREAMING the American peoples' opposition, though no one in the White House, and few in Congress, gave a flying fuck what the American people thought.

"There is one point not being made. Nancy was not the only Democrat in this position. They all were. As long as the American People were supporting the war, the Democrats on the Hill were not going against them. That is the way it is."

That is not "the way it was."

Nancy Pelosi voted against the Iraq War Resolution--to her credit. It was a risky vote in the nazi Bushwhack atmosphere of 2002-2003. I think she also may have been important in preventing the nuking of Iran, back when Rumsfeld resigned (Dec '06) and "impeachment" was taken "off" some "table" that the American people were not sitting at. I think, at the very least, she is a SANE leader, but, like Leon Panetta--and others--she is a "player," as they say, in the maintenance of the U.S. global empire. I think some of the "players" decided to curtail Bush/Cheney (and Rumsfeld) for following a too risky, in fact insane, strategy, in the Middle East and globally. And I think Pelosi was/is part of that counter-coup. But that doesn't make her a democrat with a small d. She is not.

And I want to issue a warning. What we have now is a handful of far rightwing corporations who own and control the 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code in all the voting machines in the country, with virtually no audit/recount controls. The far rightwing connections of these corporations would make your hair stand on end. Power like this can be used in blatant and subtle ways. It can be used, for instance--and I believe was used--to 're-elect' Bush/Cheney in 2004, to 'elect' "Blue Dog" (traitor) Democrats in '06, who would continue funding the war, and to permit the election of Barack Obama in '08, but hamstring him in many ways, including the 'election' of more "Blue Dogs." The far rightwing plan may be to shift blame for all of the Bushwhack horrors onto a Democrat (Obama), while tying him down in other ways so that he cannot truly reverse those horrors. Thus, the corpo/fascist 'news' monopolies can write the narrative for the next stolen elections--in 2010 and most important in 2012. As the country reels from massive Bushwhack theft, and tumbles into Great Depression II, with potential civil disorder, and great suffering, the narrative will be that "Obama failed." And then some lying, fascist asshole like Jeb Bush can be Diebolded into office in 2012.

I have been warning about this possible fascist scenario, here at DU, for a long time. I now see some elements of the scenario being put in place by the corpo/fascist media, including this bullshit about who is responsible for torturing prisoners at a time when the Bushwhack nazis were spying on everyone, and creating an atmosphere of threat and intimidation in Washington DC (that I believe included killing Paul Wellstone). Good God, they outed a CIA agent, and an entire CIA WMD counter-proliferation program worldwide! These utterly twisted minds controlling the corpo/fascist media, and their rightwing puppetmasters, will say anything. We're in an "Alice in Wonderland" world, in this respect. Up is down. Wrong is right. Jabberwocky is all. What we need to be aware of--and think hard about--is not so much these specific troubles for Democrats, but the overall fascist plan and the unprecedented power they have to dictate who are leaders are, with 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines. That should be our priority--restoring our power to rightfully control our elected officials through voting. That is the best thing we could do for well-meaning Democrats--insure that we can re-elect them. Congress is not going to do this. We, the People, must do it at the state/local level, where control over voting systems still resides, and where ordinary people still have potential influence.

I'm not sure how much he can do in this instance. The only people that could really help are the other people who were briefed I think.

and no disclosure required.