Imo, the Republicans are trying to get immunity from prosecution by holding up Nancy.

EFerrari

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Fri May-15-09 04:04 PM
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Imo, the Republicans are trying to get immunity from prosecution by holding up Nancy.

If it looks like her position is in danger, they're betting she will make a deal.

Does that seem possible to you? I'm limited in the cable chatter that I can watch here.

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Enrique

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Fri May-15-09 04:09 PM
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1. or they could be blowing up dust

or stirring up mud, whatever the expression is, meaning confusing the issue.

I don't think they think Pelosi is in actual legal jeopardy, or that she fears actually being removed. I think they are going for, whatever happens, we won't look as bad if some people think Pelosi was in on it.

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EFerrari

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Fri May-15-09 04:11 PM
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3. Well, we know that political decisions can have nothing to do with

the facts. But, if they can kick over enough ant hills, may they think she will negotiate with them. But you're right, at the very least, they're creating confusion. This is how they move.

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frogcycle

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Fri May-15-09 04:11 PM
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2. Yes, they are trying to use her as a hostage

I don't think it will work, though. They can rant and rave and claim she knew and piss and moan, but at the end of the day, the perps can (one hopes) be tried, and whether or not someone had full or partial foreknowledge or afterknowledge will not provide any defense. As long as she keeps the attitude she had yesterday, their strategy is toast. THEY can't do anything to her; her constituents won't, and the other dems won't. So she can just stare them down.

I actually believe now that she may have been right in taking impeachment "off the table." She KNEW what Cheney was, and knew they'd never have been able to pull off a twofer.

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EFerrari

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Fri May-15-09 04:13 PM
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4. I hope you're right.

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The Magistrate

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Fri May-15-09 04:14 PM
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5. If So, Ma'am, It Is Not a Promising Line

There is no reason whatever her position as Speaker should be in the least jeopardy.

The line of attack against her concedes the crime of torture was committed.

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EFerrari

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Fri May-15-09 04:19 PM
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6. There is no reason but the Noise Machine doesn't require reason.

Edited on Fri May-15-09 04:20 PM by EFerrari

The focus on her is ridiculous on its face but when did that ever stop a Republican?

I think we're about to see how much influence they have on our media.

/spelling

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The Magistrate

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Fri May-15-09 04:23 PM
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7. Speaker Pelosi is A Professional, Ma'am

She can be relied to hold her own here.

A fresh shiny object will bounce by soon enough....

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EFerrari

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Fri May-15-09 04:31 PM
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11. As you know, Your Honor, I've had differences with the Speaker.

Trying to put those aside as I can, it seems to me that this is the manner in which the opposition will attempt to tank a prosecution. By threatening her and by threatening to block the President in any number of ways.

My sense is that they will be unsuccessful as they'd like to be. But, I'm not privy to the considerations of either office. And, the wild card here may be how well the remains of the Republican Party can muster the mass media.

I can't tell at the moment if the media will prefer to go with the party now in power or if a conflict will suit them better.

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Swamp Rat

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Fri May-15-09 04:23 PM
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8. Yes Sir. This is a shoddy shell game at best.

I foresee a dark future for the Bush Administration, their allies in Congress, and the GOP in general, such as, lost elections and prosecutions.

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Uben

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Fri May-15-09 04:26 PM
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9. Ding, ding, ding!

That is exactly what i was thinking. If they say she knew about torture, then they are admitting it was torture, and should stand behind any prosecution therewith. Will they? Hell no, because they are worthless pieces of partisan shit, to put it nicely.

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leftofthedial

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Fri May-15-09 04:30 PM
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10. it's a classic rovian, cheneyesque inoculation technique.

they own the media, so the propaganda and disinformation element of it is a no-brainer.

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EFerrari

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Fri May-15-09 04:33 PM
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13. Right. And I'm asking, can they get immunity by this trick?

Of course it is all of that.

This is how they will try it, anyway. If they fail today, we can expect more of the same, imo.

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leftofthedial

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Fri May-15-09 04:36 PM
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14. they can't get immunity, but they can:

a) cower the democrats (which is easy, given their spinelessness in the first place)

and

b) cloud the public perception of the issue so much that it becomes a subjective, partisan issue

They've already succeeded on both counts.

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EFerrari

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Fri May-15-09 04:49 PM
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15. They can get immunity if they put Pelosi or Obama in the position

of needing to cut a deal. And that's not a criticism in any way, it's just politics.

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Andy823

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Fri May-15-09 04:33 PM
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12. If Pelosi did nothing wrong

She should push like hell for investigations to start, and do whatever is in her power to get "ALL" the information out and take the republicans down big time!

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