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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 09:38 PM Original message |
I see some support for prolonged detention. So I'll just post |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
1. K&R |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
2. "prolonged detention", "enhanced interrogation" it all boils down to tyranny |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 10:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. That's the word. |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
4. We've gone from "preventive detention" under Bush to "prolonged detention" under Obama. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. The natural progression from one to another. |
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moodforaday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. I'm not sure that's right |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. And what is the mechanism for distinguishing between future "detainees" who receive |
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moodforaday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. It's no different. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
6. ahhh but but but they are too damn dangerous to bring to the USA for trial!! |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 11:14 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Devils advocate, mostly because we have seen it world wide |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
7. Obama isn't proposing that they not be given a chance |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Without abiding by international law or trial, yes, yes it is |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 11:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. He doesn't claim to have the authority to detain all terrorists. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 11:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. No, but they have not received any of the protections under |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 11:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. AQ is not an army of liberation. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 11:56 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Common Article III of the Geneva Convention |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #14 |
34. The Geneva Conventions explicitly allow combatants to be detained |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. The hostilities in aghanistan ended when we installed the Karzi government |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. No one declared hostilities over in that area. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Congress authorized Bush to use force in a Joint Resolution on 9/18/01. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. So let me get this straight. You are claiming these people are POWs |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 09:59 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Try the 8% (the amount so far determined to be members) then by showing they are |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-21-09 11:56 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. So, it is they who have the burden of proof? |
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pleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
15. K&R |
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frogcycle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
17. just shoot them |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. in a nation of laws, there are no "bad guys" until a jury convicts them.... |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Hey, that WOULD be cheaper than using drones |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
19. Yes, and it's disgusting, isn't it? |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
21. I don't think Kalid Sheikh Muhammed should have been tortured. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. 'he doesn't need a trial.' - that is unAmerican. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. So you want the fucker set free? |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Yeah, wanting him on trial means I want him set free. Deep thinker, you. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. All evidence that could be used against him is tainted |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. LOL |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Damn, simplistic much? |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. ergo we fucked that pooch. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 12:15 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Unfortunate but correct. n/t |
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Garbo 2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Nope. 1996: KSM indicted in US court for Bojinka plot. He's never been tried for that. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. A 13 year old indictment? |
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Garbo 2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 05:58 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Yes, there was a death. The case & evidence didn't require KSM testimony. Pre-existing evidence. |
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Garbo 2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 01:32 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. Actually, it's not true that all evidence is tainted. And he was indicted in 1996 for Bojinka plot. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. And you know he is guilty how? |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #32 |
45. Good grief. The people who are more interested in protecting |
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DKRC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
24. If we're going to hold people without trial indefinitely |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #24 |
41. Sounds good to me. Nobody seems to want to prosecute them. |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
46. 'selective justice' |
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