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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 08:47 AM
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My dad died while in the service of his country
http://www.bermuda-triangle.org/html/flight_441.html

After 50 years (OK, I am old, but I was a baby when he was declared dead)I was able to get him a grave site at Arlington National Cemetery in 2004. This happened on Oct 31, 1954.

They never found any trace of his aircraft or any survivors.

The story doesn't say but this flight was taken by my dad who was finished with his service (our house was packed) because a friend of his asked him to because his wife was in labor.

The first plane went out and started having instrument problems, so returned, replaned with another plane, took off, and checked in a couple of times, then nothing. My dad was the radioman, and he would have been the one to signal for help if he could.

I missed out-my stepfather was an asshole. I try not to dwell on it, but I really missed out. My dad was a very intelligent man that was supposedly an electronics genius. He got nominated for sailor of the month that month too. My life would have been so different.

Someday before I die, I would like for them to find his plane. Would it still be there after 50+ years in salt water?

I'm sure others have stories too, but I just felt the need to share.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 08:51 AM
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1. Peggy, thank you for sharing.
Where there's life, there's hope. And a loss is a loss, so I'm very sorry for yours. If life wasn't so hurtful at times, it could be funny, or at least ironic. :hug:

Memorial Day memories: After 67 years, a ray of hope

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/68756.html
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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 09:04 AM
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3. Thanks for the story
One time I had a dream that he returned (like Close Encounters of the Third Kind)and I had to show him around.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 08:55 AM
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2. Sorry for your loss. It never leaves one, and this is the day of remembering.
The Titanic was found in salt water, so if the plane remained intact as it headed towards the bottom of the sea (and given that no debris was found, it may well have) it's entirely possible, indeed, likely, that it is still there.

That was one of the most compelling mysteries of Naval aviation, that flight. I'm sure you've heard about the science fiction scenarios that have grown up around that incident, to include aliens taking the aircraft and all within it and so forth.

I hope you find an answer--I'd certainly like to know, as well, what happened.
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 09:06 AM
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4. Planes survive in salt water for awhile
This is a photo of a plane sunk at Truk Lagoon during WWII.


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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 06:23 PM
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19. I can't quite make out the plane in this picture,
but that is encouraging to me. Thanks
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 09:16 AM
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5. I'm truly sorry
What a terrible loss for you and your family.

"WAR IS A RACKET!"

-90% jimmy
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 09:28 AM
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6. Please accept my heartfelt condolences and my sincere thanks.
Your father -- and all the men and women we honor on Memorial Day -- are the reason ours is a free country.

He must have been a truly wonderful and incredible person. Words cannot express what his loss means.

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norepubsin08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 12:59 PM
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7. My dad was shot in Vietnam in early 1961
During the tail end of the Eisenhower administration when the US was still claiming that we weren't there, my dad was shot...he died as a direct result of those wounds a couple of years later-when I was 7. I got to see his name on the "The Wall" for the first time this last February!
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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 06:31 PM
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20. When we were in Washington DC
I was able to see all the memorials. It was overwhelming-especially the Vietnam one. I told my sister my husbands' name was there, and she looked at me funny, and I told her that I didn't get to meet him.

That wall was HUGE. Way too many deaths-and for what?

War, what is it good for-absolutely nothing.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b82Czp2suqM
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 07:04 AM
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22. Yes, we were in Viet Nam in the early 60's - my dad was on a naval
destroyer that carried all kinds of vile chemicals over there (the handling of which caused permanent disabilities). It's all in his records, they just deny the time frame "officially". My dad served from 1963-67.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 07:05 AM
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23. Also meant to add my condolences on your loss, Peggy. n/t
Edited on Tue May-26-09 07:06 AM by TBF
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 01:13 PM
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8. No matter how much time passes
we still miss our parents. My dad has been gone for 40 years and I still wonder what my life would have been like had he not died.

This is a day for remembering. Cherish the memories you have. :patriot:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 01:22 PM
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9. Thank you for sharing this.
And thank you to your Dad for making the ultimate sacrifice.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 02:40 PM
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10. Thanks for sharing and thank you to your dad for his service to our country
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 02:46 PM
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11. thank you for telling us your story in honor of your father.
even this, .... will stay with us.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 02:54 PM
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12. Thanks for sharing
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 02:59 PM
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13. Thank you for telling this story
Exactly what we should be remembering today.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 03:06 PM
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14. I understand your story and my story is its counterpoint.
My father returned from that same war. He was badly traumatized physically and mentally and 8 chldren missed out because of the wreck of a human being that was returned to us. Years of abuse and neglect from a man who could no longer take care of his own needs, let alone of the family he created. He was damaged by war and service and we were too.

I have watched the enlisted men of my extended family in the wars since WWII return to their homes. Some successlly reintegrate and are productive members of their society. The greater number of them have that haunted look in their eyes.

There is no honor in war. Period.
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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 06:18 PM
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17. War is hell
“Why can’t we all just get along?”
Just imagine-like John Lennon sang.
And, all the dang money that's been spent.

Thank you for sharing too.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 03:07 PM
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15. I'm sure your dad's plane could probably be found if they found the
Edited on Mon May-25-09 03:36 PM by Cleita
Titanic. Water has a preservative effect, even salt water. Probably it's covered with various kinds of sea life that have converted it into a home, so it wouldn't readily be noticed. However, if the plane disintegrated before it reached the bottom, finding bits and pieces would be harder and it would be harder for them to last long enough to be preserved.

Thank you for sharing your loss. My sympathy to you.
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 04:48 PM
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16. I know they have found planes from World War 2
in salt water. There is a guy who searches for them. There was an article in my local paper about him, but all I remember is that it was in the Pacific.
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Mike 03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 06:22 PM
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18. Peggy Day, my heart aches for you and goes out to you.
Edited on Mon May-25-09 06:24 PM by Mike 03
Fifty is not old, especially when it comes for grieving for a parent.

Thank you for making this post. I don't enough to address the salt issue.

You were very young when you lost your dad. I'm so sorry.

ON EDIT:

Kick and Rec!

Did you name yourself after the Bob Dylan song? Just curious.

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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 06:33 PM
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21. Yes
but someone else named me that a long time ago. Many people don't know that song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdj69PZ5sBw
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