When Seconds Count: Stopping Active Killers

A great read I stumbled over today! Thought I would share it with my friends on DU!

A few, passages from the article! Emphasis is mine..





Evidently, someone got some sand in the crotch, over the article, causing this to be added...



http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story/When-Seconds-Count-Stopping-Active-Killers/_yls0jTxAkK8QJR1NKbePA.cspx

Great read!! They really did their homework with that article!!!

VIDEO: AT WEBSITE....

no longer are we to wait for the tac team, the patrol officers just saddle up and go to the sound of gunfire, even if all we can do is contain the shooter until we get more units or drive him away from our contact so he has to concentrate on us, thats what we all train to do now. hopefully theres someone who gets a good clean shot and takes it before we even arrive on scene allowing us to just put the shooter out with the trash.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2099203/ Harris as a psychopath along the lines of Tim McVeigh, and why.

The new police tactics aside; your article that analyzes 40 mass murders at public locations - in a society where carrying guns in public locations is not done - and then concluding that's why the public was targeted - is just dumb.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!! I can assure you that you are completely and TOTALLY WRONG on that one..

The reason you THINK THAT, is because you don't see them...That is why they are called CONCEALED weapons...

Gosh, only little kids think things that they can't see don't exist..

These are locations where carrying guns is not done. It's the entire premise of the argument. So don't go rolling on the floor laughing at your own damn argument.

I agree, carrying guns at schools, shopping malls, restaurants, the post office -- isn't done in this country. You can't turn around and say it is - otherwise you're defeating your own argument.

You also can't take people whose goal is killing masses of people at one time, and pretend that you can do any kind of weapons analysis of it since no public place is highly armed.

It's kind of like why do robbers rob banks, cuz that's where the money is. Why do mass killers target public places, cuz that's where the people are.

the two states I have had the most experience with CCW...

Very, VERY, few malls, are posted against CCW.. I can only think of 3 in two states right off hand, and they are about 150 miles apart, my wife, being a avid shopper knows all the malls.

Even fewer Restaurants are...

Their are only a few "gun free zones" and they are by statute, like County Schools, Post offices, and Court Houses are the big ones.

In my local area I can think of 3 Small Cities close by, each with Populations of about 10,000.

I can only think of ONE, Privately owned business, with a "No Guns" sign, on a store, or restaurant (its on a restaurant).

Heck, now, about 50% of the Banks, have removed their "No Guns" signs! None of the local banks are posted against CCW, one is posted against Open Carry.

I remember when CCW came to VA, several stores did post signs, against it, but, pressure from us, gun owners "Corrected the vast majority of them"

EDIT, Sorry for the tone in my last post, I totaly misread it somehow

Seriously, that's your argument?

Honestly. I have never seen a more frightened and paranoid group of people than you gun glorifiers.

You clearly do not know me.... :rofl:

After all you are the ones proposing throwing out the Constitution. Kind of like a recent president, nice company you keep.

David

And when did *I*, *ME*, ever proposed throwing out the Constitution? When did I ever, ever, propose confiscating guns?

That's the same as being too scared to go to the mall without your gun?

to make sure there is never a random act of violence again, according to the theory in the article. Sounds to me like somebody living in terror of violence if they have to have their gun with them at all times to prevent some random psycho from assaulting the Walmart at any given moment. I don't know how anybody lives that way. Who would want to?

in the mind of the CCW holder.

Have a bad day? You're cranky.

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To defy the rules of conduct here at DU? Will the mods, I wonder? Are you claiming some kind of exemption?

"Do not publicly accuse another member of this message board of being a disruptor, conservative, Republican, FReeper, or troll..."

Softer than say a public area where concealed carry is allowed.

David

And make decisions based on a mall's conceal carry policy. Really?

Employees shoot co-workers and bosses at the job.
Men shoot their wives, or where their wives work, like that nursing home shooting in NC. Do you think he called and asked whether anybody would have their concealed gun with them that day?

I mean really, you're too smart to get into this argument and you know it.

At All. Not one bit. I think he knew the cops would come and shoot him, don't you?

Before the cops could shoot him. He planned to die. They all plan to die. They go to places with lots of people so they can kill lots of people. Guns have clearly been outlawed from national parks for years. You don't see mass shootings at Old Faithful do you? No. Because nobody's venting their craziness at park rangers - yet.

No, there has not been an epidemic of park killings like there has school shootings, work place shootings, etc. If it's all about the absence of guns, a national park would have been a great target.

If it was all about the presence of guns then police stations and armories would be overwhelmed with mass shootings.

David

If you want to now say guns were on the campus - well then that negates the theory in the article, that it was an easy target because there weren't any guns.

Both my parents have had CC permits for 20 years. They have carried in all the places you listed. I would bet that thousands of other people have too.

Wanna bet?

A "No guns allowed" sign carries no legal weight. Except the Post Office.

I'm glad that police departments are re-thinking their tactics.

I'm a firm believer that concealed carry saves lives and "gun-free" zones end them.

as in, a country that adopted a responsible firearms policy and has had no mass shootings in the 12 years since.

I know, that's not really what you want to do- more fun to play Johm Wayne and pretend that advocating gun proliferation doesn't leave blood on your hands.

and here's an analysis of what they did:

http://www.iansa.org/regions/asiapacific/documents/AusGunLawReforms.pdf

Mindless fools...

Feat of mentalism:

"I know, that's not really what you want to do- more fun to play Johm Wayne and pretend that advocating gun proliferation doesn't leave blood on your hands."

How do you know this? Can you provide some evidence? Something tangible besides your opinion?

to malls, or wherever. It is CONCEALED, meaning I don't advertise the fact that I have it, and I have never been called on it.

mark

shooting did not react well by staying outside the building for quite a period of time instead of using the Active Shooter scenario which is a lesson that was learned by most law enforcement after Columbine.

After the fact apparently their response didn't cost any lives of wounded but there was no way of them knowing it at the time or that the shooter wasn't still active or that victims may have needed quick emergency medical care.