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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 06:40 PM Original message |
Holy crap -- Schwarzenegger wants to *eliminate* CA welfare? |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
1. He's going to have to spend A LOT more |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
51. While he's sending people out of prison through the back door? |
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KingFlorez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
2. I seriously hope the Legislature will fight this hard |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
3. I think he's betting on more money fro D.C.. since he knows it would look bad on |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. That's quite a game of chicken.... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. Raising taxes requires a 2/3 vote of the Legislature. |
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TommyO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #17 |
41. But stripping citizens of their rights only requires a 50%+1 popular vote |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:42 PM Original message |
I don't see why a proposition that imposes a 2/3 requirement doesn't itself |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
60. This is the hangover for a multiple-decade constitutional party in CA |
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Whoa_Nelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
5. Arnie is reducing everyone to nothing in this state |
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TransitJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. I'd say it's more like |
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Whoa_Nelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 06:51 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Well put! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
35. Exactly. Those stupid propositions are coming back to bite them now. |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
52. and the State Legislature |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
61. Yep. We can't put all the blame on him. |
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fair trade soy chai (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
27. Are you moving to Las Vegas? |
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Whoa_Nelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. Oklahoma City |
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fair trade soy chai (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. I am going to grad school this fall to study SPED...(I am a "mature" student, too). |
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Whoa_Nelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:49 PM Response to Reply #42 |
53. Am going to go into the private school sector, if I can |
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emsimon33 (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-29-09 02:50 AM Response to Reply #27 |
86. Any idea where those places are? I have been applying |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
34. What about the Dems and Rethugs in the legislature who are voting against |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 08:51 PM Original message |
Proposition 13 was sold to the electorate as a bleeding heart proposition |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-29-09 02:18 AM Response to Original message |
79. You're right -- lots of places have a tax system that addresses the problem |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-29-09 02:39 AM Response to Reply #34 |
84. You do realize that prop 13 passed in 1979 or so, right? |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
6. Thom Hartmann had a theory about this |
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Serial Mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 06:51 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Sorry, he should have a tax hike on the wealthiest Californians... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 06:54 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Some make twice that, as a starting salary. nt |
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Billy Burnett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. Some make 7 figure salaries doing scoring and sound design. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #24 |
56. The film industry is already fleeing the state. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-29-09 03:30 PM Response to Reply #56 |
90. They're coming to Massachusetts--in DROVES. nt |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. "He"? Two-thirds of the legislature has to approve any tax increase. |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Very bad situation. Looks like they're about to self-implode. |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
25. But then there's the 2/3 majority mandate for tax increases |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Can he do that unilaterally? I'm not familiar with CA government workings, I'm afraid. |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. I have no clue either |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. No, he can't. And two-thirds of the legislature must approve any tax increase |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #21 |
38. Fascinating--so it's an Inaction Standoff. He could solve his problem in the blink of an eye, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #38 |
49. Hah! Except he can't. California tried to approve just the medical use of |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Didn't the feds also say that they're going to back away from enforcement on that plant, though? |
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StrongBad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #49 |
65. It's still very much legal for medicinal use here in CA. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-29-09 02:17 AM Response to Reply #65 |
78. Okay, good. Glad to hear some progress has been made somewhere! n/t |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 08:43 PM Response to Reply #38 |
63. No, he couldn't |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 11:54 PM Response to Reply #63 |
74. You're not counting on the Pot Tourists. That might increase revenues! |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-29-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. For sure, but it'll be a fairly marginal gain |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-29-09 02:32 AM Response to Reply #74 |
83. the... pot tourists? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-29-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #83 |
89. It got taken home in Nevada, too... |
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ourbluenation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #12 |
66. He most certainly can. In our state the Gov has the power to veto line items in budgets... |
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ourbluenation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 08:51 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. to be clear - I was not talking about tax hikes..sorry for the confusion. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-29-09 02:52 AM Response to Reply #12 |
87. And maybe Glynda, the good witch of the East (??) will swoop down... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-29-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. Well, that's not terribly helpful, but thanks for your input anyway. |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. Sounds like the "n-dimensional chess" theory to me... |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #16 |
31. It doesn't sound likely, does it? |
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DBoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:01 PM Response to Reply #6 |
28. He's a Republican! |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 09:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
72. i bet on: won't happen. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
8. And close 80% of the state parks, eliminate the AIDS office, and eliminate the |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. The GOP -- party motto: "penny wise, pound foolish" |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Pretty much... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. The Dems are at fault here, too. |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:02 PM Original message |
I agree, although... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
36. He's been saying that for quite some time. No one's been listening. n/t |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. huh. maybe I have to change my mind about the Thom Hartman theory? |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 08:46 PM Response to Reply #46 |
64. Yeah, take another look |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #26 |
58. Newsflash: that was 31 years ago. Some of us weren't even born yet. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-29-09 02:19 AM Response to Reply #58 |
80. Newsflash: if Californians are unhappy with that proposition they can repeal it |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 09:04 PM Response to Reply #26 |
69. That 2/3 vote provision has been law as long as I can remember. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-29-09 02:23 AM Response to Reply #69 |
81. It IS a circus. And I'm disgusted that in my state the voters passed |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-29-09 02:47 AM Response to Reply #81 |
85. I'm sorry for you, and your state. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #8 |
68. Why did he allow the kid to sit around in a dirty diaper? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
9. "We can't afford it". |
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Sequoia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
14. and Healthy Families and close the state parks. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. "we can't afford those things" |
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DBoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #15 |
32. and if you try to make the wealthy pay for them |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #14 |
29. The legislature and the people are helping to destroy the state. |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
30. The "Total Recall" is proving to be a huge, gigantic FAILURE. |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
33. You know, since Reagan |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
37. Squeeze play |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:59 PM Response to Reply #37 |
57. I see dozens of CA plates on cars here in N, Texas. |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-29-09 01:29 AM Response to Reply #57 |
76. Money is definitely required to live in CA, especially SF and LA. 1 bedrooms rent for about $1500 |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-29-09 02:24 AM Response to Reply #37 |
82. You forgot Oregon and Washington. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-29-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #82 |
88. I didn't forget them..just that the "leavers" are likely to be |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
40. That sounds like a recipe for social unrest. |
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ProgressIn2008 (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. My first thought too: stripping away the social contract will mean civil unrest. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. I think it'll mostly depend on how the police treat the newly-homeless. n/t |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Since when are CA's police known for calm and non-escalating behavior? |
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Retrograde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
45. it's what the people want |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Sounds like the people are about to run afoul of the 3rd chinese curse. |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 08:16 PM Response to Reply #45 |
59. Those props would have made things worse. They were all cuts anyway, including a spending CAP. |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
50. yea, think of the money they'll save |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
54. Repeal Prop 13! Then tell Grover Norquist he *has* no business in California |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
62. Typical idiot Republican. n/t |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
70. Excellent !! Now I'll finally have the recruiting tool I need !! |
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Joe the Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
71. This proves that republicans CAN run things....... |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-28-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. I think in Ahnold's case, it was the celebrity appeal |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-29-09 01:33 AM Response to Original message |
77. Are there other areas that can be cut easily? |
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