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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 05:47 PM
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Sexual Voyeurism in the Bush White House is now Known...and Women Should be particularly Appalled!
Edited on Sat May-30-09 05:47 PM by KoKo
And scores of detainees who have told their stories to rights organizations have told independently confirming accounts of a highly consistent practice of sexual torture at US-held prisons, including having their genitals slashed with razors; electrodes placed on genitals; and being told US military would find and rape their mothers.

Is systemic sex crime practiced by the US in a consequence of the lawlessness of `the war on terror' surprising to those of us who work on issues of sexual abuse and war? It is totally predictable: when you give soldiers anywhere in the world the power, let alone the mandate, to hold women or men helpless, without recourse to law, kidnap them as a matter of policy - as US military kidnapped the wives of `insurgents' in order to compel them to turn themselves in - strip them naked, and threaten them, you have a completely predictable recipe for mass sexual assault. The magisterial study of rape in war, Susan Brownmiller's Men, Women and Rape, proves that.

But what is far scarier about these images Obama refuses to release and that the Pentagon is likely to be lying about now is that it is not the evidence of lower-level soldiers being corrupted by power - it is proof of the fact that the most senior leadership - Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney, with Rice's collusion - were running a global sex crime trafficking ring with Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and Baghram as the holding sites. The sexual nature of the torture also gives the lie to Cheney's and others' defense of torture as somehow functional: the sexual perversity mandated from the top reveals that it was just plain old sick sadism gratified by a very sick form of pleasure. I also pointed out in `Sex Crimes in the White House' that the escalation of the sexual abuse showed the same classic pattern shown by sex criminals everywhere - you start with stripping the victim, keeping him or her completely in your power, and then you engage in greater and more violent excesses with more and more self-justification.

-snip-

The lightsticks, for instance? We in the human rights world know about the lightsticks. Probably dozens of prisoners were sodomized with lightsticks. In the highly credible and very fully documented Physicians for Human Rights report, Broken Bodies, Broken Lives, doctors investigated the wounds and scars of former prisoners, did analysis of the injuries, assessed the independent verification of their stories, and reported that indeed many detainees had in fact been savagely raped with lightsticks and by other objects inserted into their rectums, many sustaining internal injuries. This same report confirms that female military or other unidentified US-affiliated personnel were used to sexually abuse detainees by smearing menstrual blood on their faces, seizing their genitals violently, or rubbing them against their will in a sexual manner. In other credible accounts collected by human rights organizations, many former prisoners in US-held prisons report that they had been tortured or humiliated by female agents who appeared to be dressed like prostitutes. Indeed, early on intelligence spokespeople boasted in the New York Times of the use of female agents to sexually abuse and humiliate prisoners: it was called in their own material 'invasion of space by a female.'

Today at lunch, I happen to have sat next to the lovely and brave Dale Haddon, the `face of L'Oreal' who is also a tireless advocate for women and children through Unicef. She is heading for Congo, to help hold accountable rape and sex crime institutionalized as acts of war. Those criminals will face trials and convictions. In Sierra Leone, the soldiers and generals who used rape as an instrument of war have been tried and many convicted. In Bosnia, likewise. But at another lunch party, Haddon, who travels in many circles, may well be seated next to our own former leaders, violent and systemic sex criminals who are still at large.

When will we convict our very own global rapists, the ones who gave the US the hellish distinction of turning us into the superpower of sex crime? Convictions must come but first we must see the evidence.


And women especially, who understand how sexual abuse and rape can break the spirit in a uniquely anguishing way, should be raising their voices loudly.

MUCH MORE OF THIS READ AT.........
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/busted-pentagon-why-the-p_b_209046.html
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 05:51 PM
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1. K&R
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 05:52 PM
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2. IF these allegations are true, then I am glad the pictures have not been released, because prior to
Edited on Sat May-30-09 05:52 PM by OmahaBlueDog
..the public seeing them, they should be shown to Federal Grand Juries, and, should indictments ensue, the release should be delayed so as not to taint prospective jury pools for the criminal trials.
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 07:40 PM
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6. YES Obama is being very smart to have a court decide. These are crime scene pictures. nt
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:17 AM
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13. It's a shame there are no federal grand juries looking at anything
related to bush-cheney crimes against humanity.
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:55 AM
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14. I think the Grand Jury approach is the only way that will work
A Special Prosecutor or straight prosecution by the AG will be seen as politically motivated.

I don't want an Iran-Contra 3-ring circus, nor am I seeking show trials. Bring the evidence to a panel of ordinary citizens (realizing that every trick Gordon Liddy ever dreamed up will be tried at the hearing), and let them decide whether the cases should be taken forward.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:47 AM
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18. who will do it?
so far, not Congress, not Obama, not Holder...who?
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:05 AM
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25. Wishful thinking
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 04:51 PM
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49. Only "IF" - and that's a big "IF" - this goes to trial...
I fear it will go down the rabbit hole - again - and these WAR CRMINALS will go scott free...
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:35 PM
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64. Maybe it is wishful thinking, but I'm hoping that some brave US Attorney will bring the case forward
It will take bravery, in addition to getting copies of the evidence.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 05:55 PM
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3. the pictures are Evidence.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:30 AM
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31. and that the person at the helm was none other than President Bush
he was leader so he carries the can
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 06:04 PM
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4. I wish Stanley Kubrick were still alive
I just watched Eyes Wide Shut, which just reeks of this exact theme.

I bet he'd have been able to make an incredibly damning film about this, much like A Clockwork Orange.

Sometimes it takes the artists of the world to expose the stark ugliness of society.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 03:33 AM
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19. Colombian painter Fernando Botero did a series of paintings on our prisoners
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:19 PM
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41. Why did he make them all fat?
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:41 PM
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42. That's Botero's signature style.
All his paintings of people depict them like that. The British artist Beryl Cook uses a similar style.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 08:31 PM
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76. but the people of Iraq are starving...
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 07:39 PM
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5. When the Violence against Men parodies the Violence against Women ...we gotta worry...
just saying. When you get into this stuff it could seem innocent like watching Porn Movies when you are "on the road alone in the Motel or Hotel Room" but when it comes to being common to treat prisoners of war...it goes to another level.

Yet, think of the level it goes to in our day-to-day interactions with females in our current society outside of Ira and Afghanistan. Just translate what Males and Females see on our regular Tee Vee and how unspeakable acts can be perpetrated and translated to Prisoners...as "Normal." It can get ugly if one thinks more than a few seconds on it all... Infotainment...Entertainment...Porn...Sado-Masichism and the rest. What can seem harmless can somehow turn into ugliness when practiced on people in "War Time."

Just saying....
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 07:51 PM
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7. "And women especially, who understand how sexual abuse and rape can break the spirit"
in a uniquely anguishing way, should be raising their voices loudly."

(QUOTE FROM ARTICLE)

VOICING LOUDLY~
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PainPerdu Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:01 AM
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35. You ain't my sister
SHOULDA is right!!!!!!!!

But WHERE are the collective voices of women speaking out loudly against the sexism regarding Sotomayor?

What about the National Organization of Women?

Nary a peep!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:07 PM
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50. I don't know what happened there...just like I don't know why Churches who safeguard Moraility gave
Up trying..

How can any of us know why "All Systems Failed" under the Bush Regime? How could this have happened. We were raised with the MANTRA..."CHECKS AND BALANCES" will always restore Democracy and our Constitution...there are times when things get "out of whack" but in the end our Constitution will always HOLD FIRM.

We were LIED TO...SYTEMATICALLY.. WE WERE LIED TO! Blame us as "Idealists" that no ideology could satisfy or bring Harvard Ph.D's against us as to how "Global is BETTER" than anything we've had.

It's hard for us Peasants to know..we keep getting rolled over ....time and time agains...always voting for PRESIDENTS WHO PROMISE CHANGE...and give the EXCUSE that CONGRESS just Couldn't DELIVER....

:shrug: If you have some solution please post it...Maybe you have insight that can breakthrough.
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PainPerdu Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:33 PM
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53. Churches and "Morality"
Oh, ya got me started now!

How is it that Christian morality ,these days, seems ONLY to extend to abortion and reproductive issues...yet...yet there is NEVER any mention of the untold abortions by bombings in Iraq and Palestine.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 11:16 PM
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8. Bush/Cheney Rape Rooms
This shames me as an American to no measure.
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Alameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 11:31 PM
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9. Yes, and did anyone notice how Bush's voice
lowered and deepened in that sort of breathless pant when he said "rape rooms"? It really creeped me out big time. :crazy: :wtf: :yoiks:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 03:56 AM
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20. You're right! They did spend an inordinate amount of time & energy trying to get pumped up
about how bad the Husseins were for having those "rape rooms" in Baghdad and why we needed to kill one of the sons who used them.

Here's a hot quote from a televised speech Bush made on Iraqi tv to the helpless citizens:
Bush assured Iraqi viewers that soldiers would be prosecuted for war crimes and civilians were not the targets of U.S. artillery but the beneficiaries of a war of liberation. "We will help you to build a new Iraq that is prosperous and free ... there will be no more wars of aggression against your neighbors, no more poison factories, no more executions of dissidents, no more torture chambers and rape rooms," he said (Stevenson, New York Times).
http://www.unwire.org/unwire/20030318/32642_story.asp

Good gawd almighty.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:02 AM
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10. i am so proud georgee
turned us into the KGB. BRILLIANT.
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destes Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 04:19 AM
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22. The American counterpart to the KGB(CIA, NAS, Mil. Intel, etc.) ..............
..........is now and has long been an instrument of the American equivalent to the "Central Committee". That means there are people who KNOW all this is true and remain mute. How else could any of this ever have come to pass? Hell, in a world shrouded by an "Iron Curtain" who knows with certainty how many atrocities were committed with American "might"?
Sadism at the top? Could be that some people were more inspired than appalled when they liberated the Nazi camps.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:05 AM
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11. I can only imagine it is also terrible for a male to be raped.
(I just had to add that.)

Thank you for posting this.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:14 AM
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12. It's not 'Sexual Voyeurism' - it's Torture Voyeurism
'Sexual Voyeurism' would describe Bush and Cheney watching consenting adults having sex with each other.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:11 AM
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26. Voyeurism of violent, sexual depravity used as torture. Giving the predators their "jollies"
Edited on Sun May-31-09 07:12 AM by Joe Chi Minh
would be just a bonus.
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PainPerdu Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:05 AM
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36. Sexual voyeurism in White House
Why do I keep thinking of the DC madam while reading these stories.

Allegedly,Dick Cheney was one of her clients.

Hmmh...now I wonder ......
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:23 AM
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15. Jeff Gannon would've sounded the alarm, wouldn't he?
Edited on Sun May-31-09 01:40 AM by Octafish


Loose lips sink ships or something.

Edit to add: The point being that would be a real journalist's job.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:11 AM
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28. Why don't we hear more from or about Jeff Gannon. He probably should stay out of small planes. nm
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:30 AM
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38. BFEE!



Photographer Russell E. "Rusty" Nelson, photographer for White House child sex ring was recently arrested two days after journalist Hunter Thompson reportedly committed suicide four weeks ago on February 10 (2005), according to two phone interviews with attorney John DeCamp last week.
Nelson was allegedly employed by a former Republican Party activist to take pictures of current or retired U.S. House- Senate members and other prominent government officials engaging in sexual criminality by receiving or committing sodomy and other sex acts on children during the Reagan-Bush 41 administrations.
The suicide of Hunter Thompson (top, above) and the news blackout of Rusty Nelson’s simultaneous arrest raise questions that someone may be attempting to limit Nelson’s freedom or threaten him, since according to testimony, both men had allegedly witnessed homosexual prostitution and pedophile criminal acts in a suppressed but far-reaching child sex-ring probe closely linked to Senate and House members--but also former President George H. W. Bush.

Pedophile victim Paul Bonacci--kidnapped and forced into sex slavery between the ages of 6 and 17--told U.S. District Court Judge Warren Urbom in sworn testimony on February 5, 1999: "Where were the parties?...down in Washington, DC...and that was for sex...There was sex between adult men and other adult men but most of it had to do with young boys and young girls with the older folks...specifically for sex with minors...Also in Washington, DC, there were parties after a party...there were a lot of parties where there would be senators and congressmen who had nothing to do with the sexual stuff. But there were some senators and congressmen who stayed for the parties afterwards...on a lot of the trips he took us on he had us, I mean, I met some people that I don't feel comfortable telling their name because I don't want to --- ...Q: Are you scared?...Yes..."

IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY you HAVE GOT TO SEE THESE PHOTOS:

http://www.combat-diaries.co.uk/diary25/diary25chapter8.htm
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 04:08 PM
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46. I thought of that story
And I wondered if there was a connection with the revelations of sexual torture in the Bush, Jr. administration. I read John DeCamp's book a number of years ago and it is difficult to wrap one's mind around, mainly because we are so conditioned to believe that things like this aren't happening. But then here comes these tortures. It really makes me wonder.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:25 AM
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16. That link goes to a Klein article.
I don't understand how this is "known". It has been suspected, true. But how is it known?
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:04 AM
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17. kick and recommended for the truth !!!!
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quidam56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 04:16 AM
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21. I don't recognise my America anymore...
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:49 AM
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23. K&R
:kick:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:03 AM
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24. Wow!
I hope this information gets the widespread publicity it deserves.

I am so disappointed in Obama for withholding the photos and showing no interest in prosecuting the criminals who are responsible for this. Whenever I hear somebody excuse the secrecy on the basis that exposing what we did will incite anti-American attitudes, I just want to scream. You want to improve the reputation of our country in the world? Great. Then let's make full disclosure of what we did, hold the perpetrators accountable, and take steps to make sure it never happens again.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:14 AM
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27. Republicon family values = sick brutal perversion
Ptoooey on them and their phony brand of Christian Crusade. If the real Christ had been around, he would have taken a stick and driven the Republicons from the temple of the USA government -- the White House.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:17 AM
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29. There are still no followers of the real Christ in the WH
No matter how much they spit on good gay people in the name of the thing they call god, no matter how many vile preachers they embrace, no matter how many 'faith based programs' they fund, no one can pretend that this administration is any more 'Christian' than the last.
According to the teachings of the Christ, treatment of a prisoner is in fact treatment of Christ himself. It is not 'like' doing that to the Christ, it IS doing that to the Christ. So those who shrug at murder and rape and sadism done to Iraqis and Afghanis are shrugging at the torture of Jesus the Christ and they will be judged accordingly, that is the teaching of Jesus.
So He did not say 'torture the prisoner, you torture me, but that's fine if you also persecute the gays.' In fact, he said all treatment of the least among us is done to him. Harm one hair on a child, and you'd be better off with a millstone tied around your neck. Yet I see photos of kids in those prisons, with their bound and hooded parents.
The 'faith' of the Obama administration is undetectable when any meaningful issue arises. Their highly proclaimed and advertised faith seems is absent when they consider what was done to our prisoners. They never mention a word about their faith when the issues are war or torture or theft.
Such a 'faith' is without value.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:21 AM
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30. The Bush cartel
was, among other things, a sadomasochistic porno movie.
Like Coleridge's Ancient Mariner they will spend eternity explaining their misdeeds to anyone who will listen.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:36 AM
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32. Torture, rape and moms apple pie
Edited on Sun May-31-09 09:36 AM by NNN0LHI
MonstersRus.

Don
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:55 AM
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33. the Rude Pundit can say 'I told you so'


nt
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:56 AM
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34. sex as a weapon
As noted, it's very similar to the rapes of women in certain countries, not for pleasure but as a weapon to humiliate and dehumanize. We lost our humanity after 9/11. At least the Bush administration and the status quo political culture did. It takes a special brand of weakness to be so fearful and stupid that you devolve into this.
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:05 AM
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37. KoKo, thank you for posting this
You are right.

We should all be appalled, especially women though I have not found that to be the case.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=8723725
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:24 PM
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52. Issues of Female Rights and Abuse of those Rights never get proper Airing on Intenet Blogs..
Mostly posters are attacked..or Ignored. Since the 70's there's been a backlash of Womens Issues that weren't promoted by Oprah...(who took on the whole issue and "entertainmentized" it so that we became "victims" in bottles of formaldehyde that could never get out.

I didn't see your earlier post. Thanks for the link, here.

Women's issues don't get the coverage they deserve here or anywhere on the net. Now that the voices of folks like Gloria Steinem and others are considered "old and past their prime" there's a lack of their legacy to carry on. Why didn't they all leave a legacy? Instead they left a BACKLASH.

:shrug:
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PainPerdu Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:42 PM
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54. Its not the name you call me,but the one I answer to that counts
KoKo,WHERE was the outrage by female journalists at the treatment that Helen Thomas receved at the hands of the Bush Press(read propaganda)Imperium?

Helen Thomas is a heroine,imho.

Words of wisdom,spoken by voices for the ages, are always valuable.

After all,isn't old news actually called history?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:52 PM
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56. I think the backlash started under Clinton...where folks felt "Female Activists" went too far
and what happened was that Females more and more became like Males...and left behind many of their fellow females. Not saying that was a bad thing...but in "eqaualizing rights" we females lost some other rights.

Reporters who were pioneers in the first females to "break the barrier" like 80 something year old Helen Thomas were seen as "old stuff...old legacy" by her fellow reporters and the WH Press Pool. They really thought she was too old to deal and given their male bantering age group (along with young females) they found her a humorous old lady...and they didn't want to defend her when many just wanted to take her seat.

I'm, probably being very harsh...but amonst the DC Press Corps it's a "Winner Take All." At that time they all saw themselves as having the influence of "Wall Street Traders" given that so many of them came out of the same elitist schools but chose to go into a "lesser paying profession...NEWS" than their brothers, sisters and cousins.

I'm getting ahead of myself here...but the NEW WORLD has little respect for Legacy Journalists of integrity like Helen Thomas. They'd much rather promote Joe Klein and Thomas Friedman as GURU's than listen to Helen..:-( the worse for us....who did hope for better reporting from the Washington Crowd.
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PainPerdu Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:18 PM
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59. Disdain for the elderly
Isn't it a dichotomy to have so little respect for life-especially those among us who have lived the longest?

Like the respect for life is only while you're still in the womb...
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:31 PM
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63. Yes...interesting isn't it. Today C-Span had Think Tanks talking about "Entitlements"
being the next thing to "bring our economy down." The "Top Up" speaks to the "Top Down." And we are supposed to be so AWED with their Ph.D's from Harvard or wherever that we blame everyone but "them that brung us to this dance of downward spiral...war...criminal enterprise on Wall Street...but it's US that are causing this. We who have a future of "ENTITLEMENTS." It's gagging ...isn't it... :-(
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PainPerdu Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:42 PM
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68. Entitled??
Gag a maggot!

The ULTIMATE irony is the mantra of the Free Marketeers complaining about the size of government being too big.

Apparently ,the size of government was not an issue when the same Wall Street thieves,thugs and weasels lined up for BIG governmnet taxpayer bailouts! The greatest swindle ever perpetrated upon this country.

I call it BCCI redux.

Then to add insult to injury, after screwing over the taxpayer,corporate America is waging war on the workers and fighting EFCA.

Entitlement,indeed!


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HOLOS Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:33 AM
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39. K&R
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radhika Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:04 PM
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40. And When they Finish Their Tour of Duty?
They come back to the USA with an 'honorable discharge'. They'll maybe date local men/women; teach kids; coach soccer; work in our businesses. With no shadow or restriction upon them. Everyday American convicted of sex crimes (including non-violent ones such as exhibitionism) get their names listed in an on-line data base (Megan's Law); get restrictions on where they can live; and lose their right to work in certain occupations.

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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:56 PM
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43. K&R.
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:01 PM
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44. K&R
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mackerel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:56 PM
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45. After reading SCE56's links
it's clear that the Republic of Ireland's handling of the Christian Brother's is amateur compared to our government.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 04:29 PM
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47. It doesn't take a war to show how
misogynist our culture is...just look at the rape statistics. Look at the DNA kits that have been shelved for years. Look at the legal porn industry that displays women as some'thing' to hit, abuse, and violate.

Women, and the violence perpetrated against them, is a very low priority. Only women can protect themselves from this rotting culture.

Occasionally, a brave man will step forward and call his buddies on a 'rape joke.' But they are few and far between.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:07 PM
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51. And...the "Hate Crimes" keep growing all across the Spectrum: Gays, Women, Military, Ordinary
Folks who try to take a stand against abuse of Women/Gays/and all the other disenfranchised. AND YES...the PORN INDUSTRY has much to do with it. But, one can't even get Liberal Blogs to deal with the Porn because they keep saying: "Who should define what PORN IS? And huge amounts of Females and Gays/Lesbians still support it? Even though it's useful to Corporations to EXPLOIT?

How can we deal with this? In a bad economy...Vice/Crime and Porn Exploitation always increases....and folks say.."these folks need to earn a living and we are discriminating against them."

:shrug:
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 08:50 PM
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77. Pandora's box has opened....
Catherine McKinnon (sp?) and Andrea Dworkin fought a good fight, but porn is now a billion $$$ industry.

It certainly doesn't enrich anyone's lives...only causes problems really. I rather enjoy sex than watch someone else reduce it to something sub-animal.

Maybe it's just part of the Decline of this Empire...who knows?

I do think if males were subjected to more humilation and ridicule in the porn industry (shoe on the other foot), maybe someone would see the 'lightbulb' pop on his head.

Hell, we can't even get Condom Commercials in prime time....but no problem with Viagra ads during the dinner hour!!!!

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Duval Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 04:48 PM
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48. We have to hold them accountable! n/t
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:46 PM
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55. All I had to see was ...bush* White House... and I'm already appalled - again!
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:54 PM
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57. Do you think Iraqis could be killing OUR Troops because they KNOW of these atrocities but see
no Justice?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:06 PM
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58. The role of women in that society was important...more important than here
and that's why those women in prison..begged to be killed because they had been defiled. Now it's not the way it is here in America where Paris Hilton and the rest live to be "defiled" because it's free sex, and publicity for them and shows them as liberated.

Who is to say what the standards are...since it varies from culture to culture. But, are we here in America really more advanced to have soldiers do what they did...just because it might not have seemed worse than maybe what they saw on TV...or maybe imagined as to how to treat people? Who would do this to anyone to humiliate their bodily person in such a sexual way. What would cause that mentality to flourish? What is it in our culture that would allow that..but be so shameful to impose on another culture that sees things in a very different way...sexually and culturally.

Humiliation goes across all cultures. But to sexually humiliate would seem the most lowly and vile of all torture. It is PERSONAL...

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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:23 PM
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60. "What is it in our culture ?" A. I think our churches have mostly created self-promoting Blasphemers
Not all, of course, but certainly a significant enough number as to be the tail wagging the dog. People think they are justified in their actions by virtue of answering to a "higher power". Just like the 9/11 Hijackers, people commonly think their minds equal to that of God, so equal as to be able to say who is innocent and who isn't, who can love and who cannot, who lives and who dies, what you can think, what you can read, whom we might associate with . . . .

The Ancient Greeks warned against Hubris for very practical reasons.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:27 PM
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62. And the "Hubris" is everywhere...Churches, Politics, Wall St., Entertainment...all of
what we call our American Culture...that we want to Democratize the World with. But, to be fair, it's not just here in America...it's all our culture...our Globalized Culture Dominated by the Corporate/Military/Entertainment/Industrialized Societies.

We've lost our way to care about "the least amongst us." We only care about the "Top Amongst Us."

Just my 2 Cents view...
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PainPerdu Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:27 PM
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61.  What is it in our culture that would allow that.?
It is part of the "shock and awe' approach to break down the will of another.Its a physcologicalpsy-ops technique,intentionally implemented.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:38 PM
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65. And no one stops to ask if it's right or wrong, because "we" are guided by "a higher power" which
Edited on Sun May-31-09 08:39 PM by patrice
we understand so perfectly as to it being un-necessary to ask whether any of our behaviors are right or wrong. "We" need only obey as perfectly as possible and "we" will be rewarded, not only with material well being, but also eternity.

Tell me if that is not the common understanding. American Religion is a fucking FAILURE on the average.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:41 PM
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66. This is called American Exceptionalism. nt
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:41 PM
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67. Not just our religion but the Humanity of Each to Each other....
It's a massive breakdown across all our institutions. It's going to take decades or work to repair. We need to start now...or it will be longer.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:45 PM
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69. Agreed. Everyone should be a teacher to everyone else about how to change, by example.
I am fortunate to actually be employed in an area that is trying to affect the standards of care in Long-Term Care. We are talking about the importance of modelling the behavior that you want to see.
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PainPerdu Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:56 PM
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71. Show and tell
Our lives are a reflection of the God we choose to serve.
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PainPerdu Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:51 PM
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70. Onward Christian Soldiers
I can't locate the link right now, but their was an exceptional piece about the movement in the US military to incorporate Christian theology into every facet of the daily routine.

One soldier filed a lawsuit because of this.

Truly it is becoming pseudo Christian Crusaders vs, Muslims.

PLEASE google an article entitled "Christian Mafia"---all about the group called "The Family" out of Arlington,Va.Doug Coe and the Prayer Breakfast group...and MUCH,MUCH more.

PLEASE read,or bookmark that article.

I promise you won't be disappointed.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:20 PM
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72. I have family who live in Co. Springs. Google The Order of the Spur.
When they gather for one of their religious activities, herds of $100K motor homes descend on Co. Springs and they spend a week having banquets and such, culminating in a religious ceremony for which all of them wear black and there's some serious hocus-pocus involving pillows bearing various items of military rainment.

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PainPerdu Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 10:13 PM
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73. R21 Techniques
UK forces taught torture methods
The sexual humiliation of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison was not an invention of maverick guards, but part of a system of ill-treatment and degradation used by special forces soldiers that is now being disseminated among ordinary troops and contractors who do not know what they are doing, according to British military sources.

The techniques devised in the system, called R2I - resistance to interrogation - match the crude exploitation and abuse of prisoners at the Abu Ghraib jail in Baghdad.

One former British special forces officer who returned last week from Iraq, said: "It was clear from discussions with US private contractors in Iraq that the prison guards were using R2I techniques, but they didn't know what they were doing."----------What Really Happened

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PainPerdu Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 10:57 PM
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74. Rape in Darfur
Darfuri Women Report Ominous Pattern of Rape
Sunday 31 May 2009

by: Peter James Spielmann | Visit article original @ The Associated Press
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 07:15 PM
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75. It's everywhere and with the void of course "Womens' Movement" there will be
more of the rape and torture. One only needs to look at how Women are now viewed and cast in roles as anchors and infotainmentists in our National Media to understand how bad it has gotten and how acceptable it is...
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