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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 07:47 PM
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The Trauma of 9/11 Is No Excuse - By Richard A. Clarke
The Trauma of 9/11 Is No Excuse

By Richard A. Clarke
Sunday, May 31, 2009

Top officials from the Bush administration have hit upon a revealing new theme as they retrospectively justify their national security policies. Call it the White House 9/11 trauma defense.

"Unless you were there, in a position of responsibility after September 11, you cannot possibly imagine the dilemmas that you faced in trying to protect Americans," Condoleezza Rice said last month as she admonished a Stanford University student who questioned the Bush-era interrogation program. And in his May 21 speech on national security, Dick Cheney called the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, a "defining" experience that "caused everyone to take a serious second look" at the threats to America. Critics of the administration have become more intense as memories of the attacks have faded, he argued. "Part of our responsibility, as we saw it," Cheney said, "was not to forget the terrible harm that had been done to America."

I remember that morning, too. Shortly after the second World Trade Center tower was hit, I burst in on Rice (then the president's national security adviser) and Cheney in the vice president's office and remember glimpsing horror on his face. Once in the bomb shelter, Cheney assembled his team while the crisis managers on the National Security Council staff coordinated the government response by video conference from the Situation Room. Many of us thought that we might not leave the White House alive. I remember the next day, too, when smoke still rose from the Pentagon as I sat in my office in the White House compound, a gas mask on my desk. The streets of Washington were empty, except for the armored vehicles, and the skies were clear, except for the F-15s on patrol. Every scene from those days is seared into my memory. I understand how it was a defining moment for Cheney, as it was for so many Americans.

Yet listening to Cheney and Rice, it seems that they want to be excused for the measures they authorized after the attacks on the grounds that 9/11 was traumatic. "If you were there in a position of authority and watched Americans drop out of eighty-story buildings because these murderous tyrants went after innocent people," Rice said in her recent comments, "then you were determined to do anything that you could that was legal to prevent that from happening again."

more at:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/29/AR2009052901560_pf.html
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 07:49 PM
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1. K&R n/t
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 07:50 PM
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2. Oh My- the poor war criminals
Edited on Sat May-30-09 07:50 PM by malaise
"...were determined to do anything that you could that was legal to prevent that from happening again."
Pity what they did was illegal.

Time for a Special Prosecutor

sp.
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 03:22 AM
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13. Yeah, and just WHO are the murderous tyrants now? nt
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:33 AM
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26. If the President does it
then it's not illegal.
Where did I hear that before?
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 08:00 PM
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3. Thank you Richard Clarke.
I wondered when he would speak on Cheney's and Condi's nonsense.

He has been too patient.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 08:09 PM
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4. Highly recommend. Last para. here:
"I'll freely admit that watching a coordinated, devastating attack on our country from an underground bunker at the White House can affect how you view your responsibilities," Cheney said in his recent speech. But this defense does not stand up. The Bush administration's response actually undermined the principles and values America has always stood for in the world, values that should have survived this traumatic event. The White House thought that 9/11 changed everything. It may have changed many things, but it did not change the Constitution, which the vice president, the national security adviser and all of us who were in the White House that tragic day had pledged to protect and preserve.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 08:32 PM
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6. "a coordinated, devastating attack on our country from an underground bunker at the White House"
Let me repeat, with emphasis

"I'll freely admit that watching a coordinated, devastating attack on our country from an underground bunker at the White House can affect how you view your responsibilities,"

So, he admits the attack came from a White House bunker.

Loose lips sink ships, Dick. What'll it be boys, brain tumor?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 08:45 PM
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9. No, 'Watching it' from a bunker can affect your view... nt
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 03:45 AM
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14. Boy you've really got him now.
:eyes: This is even more rock solid than "pull it."
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:53 AM
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18. Well, I thought it was funny.
Then again you weren't my target audience.
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keopeli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 08:15 PM
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5. 9/11 may have changed many things, but it did not change the Constitution..."
"I'll freely admit that watching a coordinated, devastating attack on our country from an underground bunker at the White House can affect how you view your responsibilities," Cheney said in his recent speech. But this defense does not stand up. The Bush administration's response actually undermined the principles and values America has always stood for in the world, values that should have survived this traumatic event. The White House thought that 9/11 changed everything. It may have changed many things, but it did not change the Constitution, which the vice president, the national security adviser and all of us who were in the White House that tragic day had pledged to protect and preserve.


If only this quote could be whittled a bit...

Thank god there was a reasonable person in the room that day, for history's sake.
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canetoad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 08:37 PM
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7. Are they setting themselves up
for a diminished responsibility defence?
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 08:40 PM
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8. Reading the PNAC "trauma" is not the word that comes to one's mind.
What Andrew Card said to George Bush that morning had absolutely nothing to do with "trauma". Furthermore, nothing says trauma like not being willing to testify to the 9/11 Commission except in tandem with the vice president and not under oath.

The country was traumatized, but not those who then went on to use that trauma to further their goals.

Not trauma. Trifecta.
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 09:30 PM
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11. BINGO and BRAVO
WHEN WILL THE CORPORATE MEDIA BREAK DOWN AND TELL THE TRUTH
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:19 AM
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17. The mainline media was/is complicitous in the cover up of 9/11. Never happen
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:01 AM
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20. You're not still holding your breath waiting are you?
The sooner we all get it, the better off we'll be because we can make the media irrelevant.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:21 PM
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36. "Hey Dick, how's that new Pearl Harbor-type event coming along?"

"...you guys are gonna love this... 15 Saudis with boxcutters walk into the airports..."

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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:27 PM
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40. Bingo tie them to the PNAC.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 08:45 PM
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10. The money line:
"The first response they discussed was invading Iraq. While the Pentagon was still burning, Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld was in the White House suggesting an attack against Baghdad. Somehow the administration's leaders could not believe that al-Qaeda could have mounted such a devastating operation, so Iraqi involvement became the convenient explanation. Despite being told repeatedly that Iraq was not involved in 9/11, some, like Cheney, could not abandon the idea."

He's finally ratting them all out.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:23 AM
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12. Zeal Or No Zeal?
"I believe this zeal stemmed in part from concerns about the 2004 presidential election." -- Richard Clarke

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disndat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:13 PM
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30. Somehow I doubt Clarke on his premise.
Bush stole the '00 election which made it even easier to steal the '04 election. There is plenty of evidence to make a case that Bush/Cheney were behind 9/11. The unspeakable depravity they showed in the horrific torturing of the detainees is proof that nothing is beyond these sociopaths.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:11 PM
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32. But keep in mind they were in constant campaign mode
Edited on Sun May-31-09 02:12 PM by dmr
It seems to me after the initial shock of that morning, Cheney, Rove and gang saw a very convenient way to spin this horrific event to pursue their quest for Iraq and all it's gold (oil).

Edited for spelling

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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 03:22 PM
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33. Oh, there's no doubt about that.
It's not possible to be confident that an election will be close enough to steal. They nearly managed a 20-40K margin in FL2000, but got caught. The bushvgore treason was not in the plan.

While their sociopathy and megalomania may know no bounds, their imagination and competence are those of thugs. There is no task at which they can't fail miserably. Iraq is just one horrific example.

Rove's "heckuva job" at forging (swindling) a "permanent majority" is another.

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noise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 04:03 AM
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15. We don't know what happened in the lead up to 9/11
Many of the 9/11 Commission records are still classified.

Why did the CIA withhold information about al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar from 1/00 through 8/01? We are told by officials like Clarke and Tenet that al Qaeda was a very real threat. Yet at the very same time all sorts of warnings about a possible terrorist attack were coming in the CIA knew two al Qaeda operatives were in the US and didn't tell the FBI. In fact the FBI's Cole investigation was obstructed. James Bamford reported that two FBI agents assigned to Alec Station were ordered to keep from the FBI the fact that al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar were in the US. This doesn't sound like incompetence.
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rschop Donating Member (493 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:31 PM
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41. Explaining why the CIA hid information on Mihdhar and Hazmi from the FBI
This is reasonably well explained in the following links, to articles by Kevin Fenton and Kyle Hence.

http://hcgroups.wordpress.com/2008/10/04/khalid-almihdhar-and-his-connections-to-the-uss-cole-bombing/

and http://911blogger.com/node/20200#comment

See the comments for a more complete explanation of the reasons the CIA kept the information on these al Qaeda terrorists secret from the FBI criminal investigators on the Cole bombing investigation. Keeping this information secret had nothing to do with incompetence




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rschop Donating Member (493 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:44 PM
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42. Kevin Fenton, Mihdhar and his connection to the Cole bombing
K&R
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:05 AM
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16. K&R
:kick:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:57 AM
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19. ya know, it's tough being the head of a nation, but ya'all signed on for it
and torturing wasn't in the playbook
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Cresent City Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:37 AM
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21. About the "9/11 changed everything" mantra
9/11 didn't change the world, just our knowledge of it, with much ignorance remaining. The idea that everything was fine until 9/11 came out of the blue is bull. The oil economy of the 20th century, and the establishment of Israel in 1948 drew us into the Middle East. We went around pissing people off. Whether their anger was justified or not, it was real, and ultimately dangerous. If someone wants to argue that it was right to install the Shah of Iran in the '50's, defend Israel, or put troops on Saudi soil in the first Gulf War, fine let's have a debate. But when they can't connect the dots, and think 9/11 was unprovoked, I just pull out what's left of my hair.

On the use of 9/11 and its trauma to justify our responses, let's not forget that plans to invade Iraq were cooked up in rght-wing think tanks in the '90's. 9/11 didn't create the desire to start the Iraq war, it just removed the obstacles to plans already hatched.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:56 AM
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29. This was the perfect summation. What a post!
Bin Laden claims to have seen a missile hit a tower, and destroy it. And at that moment got the idea of doing the same to us. Whether it's true or not, your summation is no doubt the almost complete cause of how and why we arrived at our present state. The military economy that supported the comfortable modern lifestyle. One that even the planet couldn't sustain.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:04 PM
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31. We were a complacent, ignorant
people before 9/11. We had an opportunity to change and grow, and with effective leadership, we would have evolved to become a better country. On a positive note though, I think the "disaster" of the Bush administration was the real wake up call. I know I am a better, more informed person because of the last eight years.

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 10:44 AM
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22. The trauma of 9/11...
:argh:
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man4allcats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:03 AM
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23. Where was the professionalism we have a right to expect and demand from our leaders?
Edited on Sun May-31-09 11:06 AM by man4allcats
"If you were there in a position of authority and watched Americans drop out of eighty-story buildings because these murderous tyrants went after innocent people," Rice said in her recent comments, "then you were determined to do anything that you could that was legal to prevent that from happening again."

Right, Condi, but anything does not include going off ill-informed and half-cocked on some knee jerk tangent. This country has faced attack before. There was that little Pearl Harbor incident some decades back. You may have read about it. You do what you must during the attack to protect yourself. Then, when the immediate threat is contained, cool heads calmly deliberate on how to best proceed.

When we elect leaders, we have a right to expect and demand that they be professionals who can think and act professionally on their feet and under fire. Clearly Bushco wasn't up to the challenge, and Bushco needs to pay for that.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:15 AM
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24. The trauma was seeing our Constitution get destroyed along with the Towers
These War Criminals need to see the inside of a jail cell.


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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:30 AM
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25. National Security Advisor
"Unless you were there, in a position of responsibility after September 11, you cannot possibly imagine the dilemmas that you faced in trying to protect Americans," Condoleezza Rice said last month as she admonished a Stanford University student who questioned the Bush-era interrogation program.



a position of responsibility AFTER SEPTEMBER 11.

Where the Hell were you BEFORE SEPTEMBER 11?



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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:37 PM
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44. Nice catch of that little slip.
They don't even register that this happened on their watch, AFTER they had been warned and did nothing. Well, *Bush did vacation a LOT. It's like they pretend *Bush's presidency began on 9/12/01.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:52 AM
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27. Trauma wasn't the motive, it was opportunity
They saw a chance to get what they always wanted and they ran with it from The Patriot Act, illegal wiretapping, to the Iraq War etc etc. But Richard Clarke does a good job of painting them as fearful people whose cowardice comes out in their own actions and reactions. He knows what they are about, but he's using Cheney's own defense against him and showing that it's wrong on that level too. I just don't think he truly believes trauma was the true motive.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:53 AM
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28. Thank you, Mr. Clarke. I have no doubt that the 2004 election was foremost
in their feeble brains, that and the opportunity to steal Iraqi oil for their oil buddies.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 03:34 PM
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34. Excellent article by Clarke.
Two thumbs up!
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 04:44 PM
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35. Wikipedia: In 1814, the White House was burned to the ground. Madison had no "Patriot Act"
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:24 PM
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37. it it were, any nation would be free to do what they wanted, in the name of trauma
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:48 PM
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38. kick and recommended for the truth !!!!
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:02 PM
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39. I wish Rice hours of solitary confinement
so she can think about how using 9/11 justifies shitting on the bill of rights and the Constitution. She's a reptilian robot gone over the edge to the dark side. It would be a miracle if she ever came to her senses and recanted. She doesn't know right from wrong. None of them do. They need to be prosecuted and punished for the repugnant amount of ignorance it takes to consider human beings worthy of being subjected to pain, suffering and indefinite incarceration without charges. They literally dragged the US back 500 years. I HATE THEM ALL!!!!!
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LastLiberal in PalmSprings Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:02 PM
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43. "If you had seen the tragedy that occurred at Pearl Harbor...
...you would have immediately torn up the Constitution, thrown out every moral principle cherished by mankind, alienated long time allies, terrorized the citizens who looked to you for firm but calm leadership, and evaluate how this action could be used to accelerate your drive toward global domination."

Could you imagine FDR saying such a thing? I didn't think so.
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rschop Donating Member (493 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 05:28 PM
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45. K&R
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