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drmeow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 11:58 PM
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Matador gored in Madrid bullring
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/05/29/2584449.htm

Serves him right, the f**king sadistic bastard. I have no sympathy what-so-ever for anyone who would participate in a bullfight in any way, shape, or form - including the audience. I wish the bull had trampled him, too.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 11:59 PM
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1. lol
:popcorn:
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Towlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:13 PM
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92. Too bad the bullfighter wasn't named Juan. (The bull would have scored "a hole in ...")
Edited on Sun May-31-09 12:13 PM by Towlie
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drmeow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:38 PM
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126. That joke almost makes me
want to throw up as bad as the picture of that poor bull! :)
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:00 AM
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2. The spectators "watched in horror"? Please. They went to see bloodshed,
they saw bloodshed. I doubt they were all that horrified.

What a bunch of sick fucks.
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drmeow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:39 AM
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27. They'll be bragging about it
"I was there when Israel Lancho was gored!"
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:25 AM
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66. Don't they have hockey in Spain? Or at the very least, Rugby?
Edited on Sun May-31-09 09:25 AM by KittyWampus
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:27 AM
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67. Isn't this spectacle a direct descendant of the animal cruelty
Edited on Sun May-31-09 09:28 AM by madeline_con
that was so adored by early Roman theater goers?

Did this guy not have a clue this might happen? Dumbass.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 10:44 AM
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74. "sick fucks" - bingo.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:01 AM
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3. Do you live in Spain? Of course you don't! nt
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drmeow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:03 AM
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5. and your point is?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:11 AM
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14. Matadors and their jobs? Isn't this one of the unpleasant
by-products of being a matador?

I saw this about a week ago, and my initial reaction was "Duh". And I really hate that as the only response, but for a matador, sorry.
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drmeow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:13 AM
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16. Whatever
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:15 AM
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18. OK. Sweet dreams to you, drmeow. nt
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:45 AM
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28. Yeah explain your point it seems totally non sensical n/t
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:06 AM
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9. I don't understand what your point is
If I lived in Spain, I would support cruelly torturing a bull to death???

I don't think I would.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:23 AM
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19. But it's OK as long as they eat the meat and wear the skin. Didn't you know?
Edited on Sun May-31-09 12:24 AM by imdjh
It's essential to their culture, going back thousand of years (or not).

Yep, I'm being a bitch, but not to you. Just using your post to do it.
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:46 AM
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70. Well..
for some reason, my ancestors decided to leave Europe for the Americas. Now I find myself in NY. However, despite my Spanish heritage, I think bullfighting is absolutely absurd.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:52 PM
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104. As someone who
has spent many, many months over the last 20 years in Spain I can tell you that there is a huge movement to stop the cruelty - A lot of people have woken up to the sadistic torture of the bullfight.

Just because it has been a spectacle for centuries does not mean it should be allowed to continue. The bull is TORTURED to death. It is not a quick end to its life but it is long, painful and sadistic.

I might not understand your "Point" since you are not exactly making it clear but it seems as though you are excusing this "sport" as a cultural representation ---

Dog fighting and cock fighting? Are they okay too? The sport of dogfighting is centuries old - pitting two dogs to the death for big, fat Limbaugh's to wager their blowhard dollars on... But we have managed to make it illegal and close it down when discovered.

I would enjoy an explanation to what you mean by: "Do you live in Spain? Of course you don't! nt"
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:09 PM
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117. it's also mental torture for the horses
Unless you've toured the behind the scenes (which I was forced to do at age 14, courtesy of my rethug parents), you probably aren't aware that the horses are absolutely terrified.

The *only* reason you don't hear the horses screaming in terror at the smell of the bull, his blood, and his screaming, is because they cut the horse's vocal cords.

Score 1 for the bull. I'm not fond of bulls, having once found myself face-to-face with one in my pasture. They are huge (the one in my pasture was a good 2,000 pounds) and can be quite dangerous.

But the bullfight bulls really even bulls yet. They are calves still -- they are babies. They are raised so that they never get to play-fight, so they aren't able to learn *any* defensive skills or develop any muscle tone.

They are babies. The cry and scream in terror throughout the entire, viscious ordeal. I learned to hate my parents the day they forced me to watch a calve be tortured for half an hour before he was butchered.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:03 AM
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4. Occupational hazard.
Score one for the good guys.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:04 AM
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6. Occupational hazard.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:04 AM
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7. Ouch!!


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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:07 AM
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12. Go bull!
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:14 AM
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17. Is it unkind of me to be pleased by this picture?
And further amused by the horror of the sick fucks in the audience?

In all honestly, I feel more for the Matador than I do for them. Bullfighting is a disgusting thing, but I have to give a little credit to someone who's willing to risk getting the above treatment. I mean me, if I knew there were a chance I'd have bovine's head going through my intestines, i'd never go into that situation. Much less armed with a sword and a cape. But the motherfuckers in the stands, who paid money to sit behind eleven-foot walls and watch something - either a bull or a man - die in the arena for their entertainment... fuck them.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:25 AM
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21. I think I'll grill up some thick, juicy steaks tomorrow.
:dunce:
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:28 AM
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22. I don't eat cow anymore
Only bison for me. It actually tastes like meat.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 01:34 PM
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150. Bison's delicious.
If you can get grass-fed beef though, it's also quite good.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:31 AM
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24. If only the matador were so brave.
That's not how it works. First, the bull enters, then it gets stabbed a few times by others on horseback. Then, bleeding out, the matador (oh so gallantly) finishes the bull off. There's no fight. It's just a slow slaughter relished by idiots.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:36 AM
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26. I know that
really, I know all about the picadores and how oftentimes the bull is drugged as well. This particular specimen looks like he's got some nice lesions on his behind from fecal caking, too.

My point is, even with all that, it takes more balls to get in the ring with a bloodied, pissed off bull, than it does to sit in the stands and leer. Becuase obviously, sometimes the bull does get lucky.
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Gwendolyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:57 AM
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33. Not sure I want to know, but what is fecal caking exactly?
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:00 AM
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34. When livestock are kept in a stall
Unwashed and unpastured, and fed a poor diet. They tend to get diarrhea, and are unable to do anything about the mess that results - in the pasture they would rub or wallow. In a stall, it just cakes into their hair, and started getting infected.

It's one reason that factory farms pump animals so full of antibiotics, to keep them from keeling over from festering messes underneath a mat of fecal matter.

Looks like this guy's probably been stalled for a good while. probably an effort to weaken him up a bit for the "sport"
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Gwendolyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:07 AM
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37. Ah, thanks. It's close to what I thought, but even worse, and sadder.
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Merlot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:05 AM
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53. Yet another reason why I don't eat meat
And I really don't have anything against eating meat. If a cow is living on a farm, free range, and eating grass then if it's time to butcher the cow, so be it. But the way animals are "farmed" as if they're nothing more than plants is disgusting. Also, all the illness, the antibiotics, etc, it gets absorbed into the meat. So if a perons is willing to eat factory farmed meat, they are also eating hormones, antibiotics, and misery.
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sammythecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:40 PM
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97. So anyone who commits an assault, whether it be against man or beast,
should be given some kudos for having the "balls" to do it?
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:22 PM
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99. Some things about the internet don't change, no matter where you are...
Third time. Try to follow.

The matador is taking a risk. When he gets in the ring with a bloodied, irritated bull, he knows there's a halfway decent risk that he will get his ass kicked by the animal.
The spectators take no risk. They drop down money to watch blood fly around in that ring, whether it's the bulls or the matador's.
While I extend "kudos" to neither, I'm at least willing to extend a mmote more respect to the guy taking the risk than the people who aren't.
Also worth considering is that without those ghouls in the stands, neither the matador nor the bull would be there in the first place
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sammythecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:02 PM
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106. OK. I'll try to sit still and pay attention this time.
Alright. I did. I have your words in front of me as I type.

You're "at least willing to extend a mote more respect to the guy taking the risk than the people who aren't." My disgust is spread equally toward any persons involved in any way with bullfighting. I think you and I are using different interpretations of the word "respect" here. My respect for the matadors risk-taking is the same as my respect for lion hunters, bank robbers, rapists, speeders, tailgaters, etc. The list goes on and on. They're risking their own well being along with the well being of others for their own selfish motives and nothing else. They are the only ones involved with anything to win. The other parties can only hope to remain unharmed and not die. There's nothing noble or worthy of respect here. Yes, I will acknowledge their aggression and nerve, but that acknowledgment is not respect in that I have not one mote of admiration for any of them.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:13 PM
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107. I meant compared to what I give the audience
Edited on Sun May-31-09 02:15 PM by Chulanowa
But you're going to read whatever you want into it, so, fuck it. Whatever makes you happy. You want to be outraged and bitchy, go right the fuck ahead, and don't let reading comprehension stop you.
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:01 AM
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52. Yeah, that's gonna' leave a mark.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:05 AM
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8. GOOD. I HATE "bullfights" - it's animal cruelty for human entertainment
and I do NOT approve of that. :mad:
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:46 AM
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29. Animal cruelty happens everyday just about everywhere
Why is this so special.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:06 AM
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36. It isn't. I don't approve of any of it. Stop being an ass.
Edited on Sun May-31-09 01:10 AM by Triana
If an idiot taunts and abuses an animal and the animal hurts said "human" then he deserves what he gets. That goes for all of them. Everywhere.

What the hell are you, six years old? You certainly have acted like it throughout this entire thread. Grow up, quit banging your rattle on your highchair and put on your big boy boxers.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:49 AM
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57. Obviously my very simple point was lost on you completely
Not much of a surprise from your response. My point is that all animal cruelity is wrong whether it's a bullfight, a hog farm, seal hunting, tuna nets, chicken farms etc. Unfortunately people get on their high horse when it comes to bullfighting because they see no benefit from it other than sport. Animal cruelity happens everywhere everyday but you don't see the outrage when certain animals are abused and killed only animals killed for sport. It doesn't matter that certain animals are killed for food. We in the west have supermarket filled with food that are healthy alternatives to meat but we continue to abuse and kill animals everyday. Not to mention the direct damage it does to our enviornment to continue to eat meat, an issue that is too long to even go into here. People say they cry at the Sarah McLaughlin ad but they eat hamburgers and chicken. Makes no sense.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:21 AM
Response to Reply #29
40. So does bullying, verbal abuse, rape, murder, and theft
your point?

Despicable behavior is despicable whenever and wherever it happens. I guess that it's only "special" if it happens to you, though.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:55 AM
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59. Not at all
My point which is obviously completely lost on you is what makes a bull so special but makes a cow expendable. Of course you can tell me that we eat cows so they serve a purpose, but when you have a supermarket filled with healthy alternatives to meat and there is no need for someone who lives in an industrialized country to eat meat how come bulls are an outrage and cows, chickens, hogs, fish, and lamb aren't? You could say that the sport of bullfighting serves a purpose to the people who go and see it for sport. You can tell me but eating is something everyone needs to do and the sport of bullfighting isn't, I will refer you back to my earlier point. In an industrialized country where the alternatives to eating meat are plentiful, where you can find things to eat that are rich in nutrients and altogether healthier than meat, why do we continue to slaughter animals, I guess they all should have been born bulls then you would feel the need to protect them.
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Merlot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:06 AM
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54. Maybe "special" because there is a large paying audience?
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:00 AM
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60. You don't think there is a large paying audience for beef products?
My point was, what makes a bull more special and precious than a cow, hog, lamb, chicken or fish. We slaughter those animals by the millions, many of them are tortured in factory farms before their deaths. You can tell me that eating is a need and watching a bullfight isnt. But we live in an industrialzed country where there are supermarkets full of healthy alternatives to meat, I am a vegan and I don't miss meat in the slightest and I am very healthy. My point was that the slaughter and torture of all animals is wrong, just because you are born a bull then people get up in arms about their torture and death as a sport, but if you happen to be a cow then very few people advocate for you and you are tortured and abused before you are slaughtered.
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drmeow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 04:58 PM
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114. Many people
who eat beef are not entertained by the cruelty to the animal - they don't think about it and are largely unaware or if they are they don't care. The paying audience for beef products do not pay to watch the animal being tortured. People who watch bullfights pay money to watch the slow torturing to death of the bull. And yes, I think that is worse than eating beef. Being entertained by cruelty is, to me, worse than indifference to cruelty.
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Merlot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #114
131. Exactly.
I think everyone who eats (non-organic) beef should know how it's farmed.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:19 AM
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82. Sounds like your point is that we shouldn't agonize over any animal cruelty if we don't
agonize over all animal cruelty. I don't agree. And if you are opposed to animal cruelty then I wouldn't think you'd be so belligerent to others that obviously also against animal cruelty, even if not as passionate as you. If you are promoting better treatment of animals, I would think you'd take this opportunity to continue the discussion beyond bull fighting and not just try to piss people off.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #82
89. I agonize over all animal cruelity and do things to stop it
including bullfighting I just think it is hypocritical to condemn bullfighting on one hand and then eat a steak for dinner. My somewhat hyperbolic point not withstanding.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:00 PM
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105. I agree with you. And I would very much like to see everyone to stop eating meat. I don't eat beef
or pork but haven't weaned myself of poultry. And I very much appreciate your passion. I just think that you missed an opportunity to make some points re. animal cruelty.

If we can assume there is an ultimate reality, then each and every one of us has a different level of that reality that we can handle. I think that not only is "rationalization the key to happiness", it is essential, on some level, for happiness.

peace
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:27 PM
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120. You are probably right
I was somewhat rash in my reaction to all the outrage to the poor bull but none in the way of other animals. I could of handled it better I agree and did miss a good opportunity to talk about animal cruelity as a whole. Hopefully I can make up for it now. I am just a bit perplexed at giving some animals sympathy and others none. I value the lives of all of them and I do think that killing an animal for sport is disgusting but so is killing them for food.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:38 PM
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124. Yikes, I find it very disarming when someone agrees with me.
Actually killing for sport is often more humane* than most treatment of animals used for food.

*humane is a strange word. It makes me feel so arrogant to use it. As if being like a human is so much better than other life forms.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 02:52 AM
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140. Well, I think I am one of the few people on DU that can admit when I am wrong
Congrats on not eating beef, it becomes much easier to not eat other kinds of meat once you have some time under your belt. I know when I stopped eating meat I held onto seafood for awhile but eventually stopped that as well.
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ThirdWorldJohn Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:07 AM
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10. Originally it was decided not to release the picture for fear that there would be ...
attacks by the bulls against the remaining matadors that entered the bullring in the future
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:31 AM
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23. Now THAT'S funny.
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Well played, amigo!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:07 AM
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11. Gored over 9" deep in the stomach.
"Media reports say Lancho underwent emergency surgery on a 25 centimetre-deep stomach wound and that he is now in a serious condition.

Well, I guess! :wow:

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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:06 AM
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61. Truly, they should soak the horns in antibiotics and whatever the
night before if they are going to play like that. On another note, I wonder when when we will stop driving cars.... millions upon billions upon trillions of deer, cows, pigs, otter, raccoons, armadillos, birds etc fall prey to our vehicles every year. No one says a word about it. Funny that.
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Batgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:28 AM
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87. Something that actually IS mystifying:
Edited on Sun May-31-09 11:29 AM by Batgirl
Drawing any parallels between animals that are killed accidentally out on the roads, by motorists -- and animals that are killed ritually, deliberately, as part of a bloody entertainment spectacle for paying customers.


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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:20 PM
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93. Mystifying yes. Not finding a way to protect animals near roadways
is even more mystifying. Now, in the case of marauding frogs, since the human is the endangered one, something surely must be done. Fences and nets are arranged to guide them to a pipe under the road.

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sammythecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:57 PM
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98. Think again about what you just said there.
I'm not going to try and explain how dumb that "parallel" is.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:39 PM
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102. Simply put, there is no parallel there. On another note it does show
how little we care when doing something for the safety of millions of animals would be a major inconvenience for us. I swerve for squirrels fyi, yes even on mountain cliffs.
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sammythecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:27 PM
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108. Right. There is no parallel there.
Which is why I wondered why you brought up toll taken on animals by our highways. If we're talking about the death toll in Iraq must we also, at the same time, talk about the death toll in the U.S. due to insufficient health care?

I appreciate your concern about all the animals killed by the minute on our roadways. I mean that sincerely. I'm an animal lover too, and bullfighting isn't at the top of my list of problems faced by animals, but it was the topic of discussion and some of us were just sticking to that.

I apologize for the previous snark. I think we're much closer to being allies than opponents on this issue. We're just responding to this thread from different angles.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:35 PM
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109. No problems here.... I have quirks and one of them is to go
off topic... sorry for being myself and really there is no excuse for trying to tie bull fighting and roadkill together... I'm gonna stand in the corner for awhile. :)
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 10:57 AM
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76. He should stop torturing and abusing animals and stuff like this wouldn't happen...
..bull was defending itself.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:13 PM
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91. Really? Somehow, I think if the bull went into the ring and just laid down he wouldn't be there.
I don't see the matador charging the bull. Vice versa. Is that cape all that threateming? I don't think so.

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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:08 PM
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129. on the off chance that you're not joking
First, the bull has never been in an arena before, surrounded by screaming "humans," so he's lost, confused and frightened.

By the time the matador enters the ring, the bull has been repeatedly harrassed, gored and bled out by the picadors. He's terrified, hemorrhaging, confused, sometimes blinded by his own blood.

So yes, by then, the man with the cape is also terrifying. The entire situation, for the bull -- which really is just a calf, a baby -- is a slow, horrific, tormented, agonized death.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:10 AM
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13. youtube - wow
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deek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 02:10 AM
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139. "Earthlings" reference in comments
Although I've been vegetarian for over 30 years, I had not heard of this film before. Very interesting.

http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/earthlings.php
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:13 AM
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15. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Good, fuck him. By the picture, that bull had 3 lances stuck in him. He was bleeding out and still fucked you, coward.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:32 AM
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25. Exactly
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:46 AM
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30. For the record, those aren't "lances", they are Banderillas,
A decorated barbed stick. The barb is shaped somewhat like the tip of a fish hook.



In the picture in post #7, the Matador had inserted a sword, the act known as "estocada" with the intent to pierce the heart.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:52 AM
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32. Yeah, well I didn't know the Spanish term for "fucking douchebag"
so I went with what I knew. Thanks for the semantics update.
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:33 PM
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122. I felt exactly the same way. n/t
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:25 AM
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20. In other news, the Governor of Gibralter- ate a piece of the bull's heart, raw. n/t
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:47 AM
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31. hahaha n/t
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:02 AM
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35. First reaction: Um, good?
Second reaction. Um, good.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:17 AM
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38. Do you eat meat?
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:51 AM
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44. If I do, is it OK to stick a firecracker up a cat's ass? n/t
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:18 AM
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48. Only if you eat it -nt-
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:14 AM
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81. LOL! n/t
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:36 PM
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101. The majority of meat is produced under horrific conditions.
Smithfield's pigs live by the hundreds or thousands in warehouse-like barns, in rows of wall-to-wall pens. Sows are artificially inseminated and fed and delivered of their piglets in cages so small they cannot turn around. Forty fully grown 250-pound male hogs often occupy a pen the size of a tiny apartment. They trample each other to death. There is no sunlight, straw, fresh air or earth.

....

The temperature inside hog houses is often hotter than ninety degrees. The air, saturated almost to the point of precipitation with gases from shit and chemicals, can be lethal to the pigs.

....

From Smithfield's point of view, the problem with this lifestyle is immunological. Taken together, the immobility, poisonous air and terror of confinement badly damage the pigs' immune systems. They become susceptible to infection, and in such dense quarters microbes or parasites or fungi, once established in one pig, will rush spritelike through the whole population. Accordingly, factory pigs are infused with a huge range of antibiotics and vaccines, and are doused with insecticides. Without these compounds -- oxytetracycline, draxxin, ceftiofur, tiamulin -- diseases would likely kill them. Thus factory-farm pigs remain in a state of dying until they're slaughtered. (emphasis mine) When a pig nearly ready to be slaughtered grows ill, workers sometimes shoot it up with as many drugs as necessary to get it to the slaughterhouse under its own power. As long as the pig remains ambulatory, it can be legally killed and sold as meat.


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/12840743/porks_dirty_secret_the_nations_top_hog_producer_is_also_one_of_americas_worst_polluters

So I suppose I should cheer every time a meat eater is trampled.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:22 AM
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41. Ditto.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:17 AM
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39. Looks like the bull was "gored" too; look at his whithers
he's covered in blood. Sorry ;no compassion for the matador. He got what was coming to him, imho.

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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:30 AM
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42. Go Bulls!
:woohoo:
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:50 AM
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43. This thread makes me laugh.
I bet nine out 10 people chanting, "Yeah bull! I hope he suffers! Go bull!" would snark at me for saying "I think certain criminals should be put to death."

I laugh because we're all so...human. And hypocrisy is part of our shared nature.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:53 AM
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45. i make no apology for hypocrisy. You're not perfect.
it's a joke
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:06 AM
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47. I don't either. No one is perfect!
Least of all this HoosierDuer.

;-)
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:44 AM
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69. No comparison
I'm pretty sure bulls don't have the capacity to think logically, as a civilized nation should.
Therefore, I don't expect them to debate the pros and cons of the death penalty while being tortured to death and mocked by an audience of thousands.
Of course, I expect differently from our government (which, conveniently, has accounted for self defense anyway).

Regardless, I doubt anyone here would willingly put the man in such a dangerous situation. He chose to be there, like a sadistic prick, and the consequences are consequently hilarious ;)
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Batgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:33 AM
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88. Really not much logic in comparing it to a death penalty situation.
This is more of a self-defense thing. The man was in the process of ritually killing the bull, and the bull defended himself.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:28 PM
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94. I said "Go Bull" and I am not 100% against the death penalty.
The problem with the death penalty, IMO, is not that killing certain criminals is wrong. It is that I do not think it is possible in our society for it to be doled out fairly due to our skewed justice system. I don't know if it's possible to resolve that.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:25 PM
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100. Well, if you put a little intellect to it...
There's a good difference between self-defense (bull goring matador) and state-sanctioned murder (death penalty).
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 03:19 PM
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112. Well, I try with the intellect.
People here often accuse DP supporters of bloodlust and then seeing their bloodlust in wanting the matador suffer and die amuses me.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 03:34 PM
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113. Try harder
You want very much to compare the two situations. Alrighty.

As I said, the bull is acting in self-defense. It's injured, tormented, and facing a man who means to kill it. Unlike a human in the same predicament, it lacks the ability to even think of another solution. it's in pain, it sees something moving, it attacks, pure instinct. However, even a person, capable of rational thought and exploring their options, would not be condemned for dispatching someone they know is trying to torture and kill them, even by those of us against the death penalty.

This is quite a different situation from bringing someone forth, and having non-victims decide to have the state murder him, often long after the crime has been comitted.

One is self-defense, acceptable and understandable (in this case, it's self-defense from a being who really can't be held responsible anyway). The other is revenge and, essentially, premeditated murder.

A bit of a chuckle at the expense of someone who was tormenting an animal does not put someone on the same level as those who are seeking legal methods to murder other people.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 10:53 PM
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133. The point isn't what happened to the matador, it's the gleeful reaction on DU
The very same people who are gleefully saying "YEAAAAAH!!!! FUCK THAT ASSHOLE!!!" and laughing over the picture of the guy getting gored are probably the same people who would be shocked, SHOCKED if someone said "YEEEAAAH!!!! FUCK THAT ASSHOLE!!!" in response to a notorious rapist/murderer being put to death. Bloodlust is either universally barbaric, or it isn't. You can't selectively celebrate the death of a matador while also thinking it's just HORRIBLE to wish death on a criminal. The hypocrisy is rather amusing.

For the record, I don't feel sorry for the matador. At all. And I totally sympathize with the "YEEEEAH FUCK HIM!" posts. But I also feel that way when bad things happen to people who murder, maim, and torture other humans. If you're a sadist, you deserve whatever terrible things come to you.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:10 PM
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134. You really can't see the difference, to you?
Or are you just so intent on fucking that straw man, you can't be bothered to notice your dick itches?

One, again for the absolute fucking dim motherfuckers who cannot grasp the absolute basics of rational thought - There's a gigantic difference between an animal defending itself, and a court saying "you killed someone, so we're killing you." If you cannot understand the difference between an animal defending itself, and a human consciously deciding to murder another human out of revenge, then fuck you.

Two, this matador will live. He's going to be in pain for a while, but he will live. You are trying to compare someone being injured (and probably learning a valuable life lesson!) and someone being killed (and thus learning absolutely nothing).

In short, you are trying to justify the pleasure you get from watching people kill each other out of revenge, by desperately grasping at straws like this.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:20 PM
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135. Seems like YOU'RE the dim motherfucker, since you missed my entire point
Because you're too busy hurling ad hominem obscenities to actually READ what I wrote. Fuck you right back, asshole.

It's not about the "animal defending itself," dumbass. I'm not debating the relative merits of death-by-bull versus death-by-execution. I'm ONLY talking about the REACTION OF PEOPLE ON THIS WEBSITE. It doesn't MATTER how or why someone dies - either cheering on someone else's death is ghoulish, or it is not. THAT is the entire point that you, in your zealous ignorance, are completely and totally missing.

And are you clueless enough to really think that the reaction on this site would be different if the matador DID die? Really?
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drmeow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:30 PM
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136. don't make assumptions
I would feel the same glee if the guy who killed George Tiller gets the death penalty and no stay. I'm against the death penalty in general for a lot of reasons but that doesn't mean I'm not going to react with glee if someone who clearly deserves it gets it.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:35 PM
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137. Well, I respect the consistancy
And as I said, I feel the same way. I don't feel any sympathy for the matador, either. But just peruse this thread or any of the Vick dogfighting threads, and the level of vitriol is way beyond what you see for someone who does shit to people. I think animal cruelty is horrible, but so is cruelty to people. Cruel people in general get not one tiny iota of sympathy from me, ever.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 09:34 AM
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147. As are visceral yet non-consequential reactions...
"And hypocrisy is part of our shared nature..."

As are visceral yet non-consequential reactions to stories of abuse...
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:58 AM
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46. He may be a somewhat brave fop, but the deck was still stacked against the bull...go toro!
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That Is Quite Enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 02:26 AM
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49. I'm not gonna get all exuberant over this, but being a matador does entail some risks.
It really sucks that this guy was gored, but that's a chance you have to run.
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chatnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 04:29 AM
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50. Go Toro!
Ricky Gervais: "When I see a toreador in a bullfight getting gored I think: 'Good, you shouldn't be in there'. What is the pleasure in seeing an animal speared to death? It's the same with fox hunting. They're just psychopaths."

"I've never understood why anybody would get off on seeing a bull speared. I wanted to batter those people with a f**king spade."
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 04:56 AM
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51. I went to see a bullfight at Las Ventas when I was in Madrid.......
....because I'm very much into immersing myself in the culture of a place when I visit.
But after a few rounds I couldn't take anymore of it. Not placing a value judgement on it one way or the other, I think it would be a wee bit hypocritical since I do eat meat, but it was just too much for me to take.


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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:09 AM
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64. "wee bit hypocritical since I do eat meat"
Yeah, I eat meat too. Not only that, but I kill animals. I raise animals and slaughter them, and I hunt.

And in everything I do I try to avoid causing suffering.

Bullfighting is the intentional slow cutting and stabbing and tormenting an animal to death. It is animal torture for entertainment.


You eat meat because you are hungry, not because you enjoy torturing animals.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:52 AM
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71. True, but I don't have to eat meat to live......
..... and yes the bullfight is indeed killing the animal for entertainment purpose, but I don't think a cow being killed in a slaughterhouse is any more pleasant for the animal.


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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 10:06 AM
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73. As somebody who has experienced a lot of pain, I dissagree with you.
I would take a bullet over suffering any day of the week. I know others who say the same thing.

I don't like slaughterhouses, that is why I butcher my own animals. But in reality the truck ride is the worst part of a slaughterhouse, death is instant and painless.

Bullfighting is animal torture for fun. Not an exaggeration.

I'm not going to argue with you any more about this because I have a lot of respect for your point of view. You are exactly the kind of person who comes to me to get meat that wasn't raised on a factory farm.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:00 AM
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55. I suspect
I am not the only one rooting for the bull in such matters. It is not that I have a great fondness for bulls. I have just always felt that competitors for the Darwin award should occasionally get what they are asking for.
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:40 AM
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56. It may be good for the matador
If he survives (I hope he or Spain has a good health plan), then the scar will give him some "street cred" among matadors.

I went to a bullfight once, in Palma, and I was glad to get out of there. It was barely a contest, as the bull is pretty well done in by the picadors before the matador walks out there. The picadors were on horseback, with the horses protected by something that looked like mattresses. The bull would hit a horse, but it would only push the horse a bit, no harm to the horse. But the picador's pike would start the blood flowing. This happens repeatedly. It was a one-sided contest, matador vs nearly-dead hulk.

I don't recommend it, hope it doesn't become an olympic sport anytime soon.

:hi:
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:03 PM
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128. the horses' vocal cords have been cut
otherwise, you would hear them screaming in terror. While they don't suffer the agony of a slow, tortured death that the bull does, they are in terror the whole time. They're blindfolded, so can't see, but can smell the bull (enemy), blood, hear the bull's cries.
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 09:14 AM
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146. That's good (or terrible) to know ...
I had no idea the horses were unable to make sound, that's even more gruesome.

The bullfight I saw was forty-something years ago. I still remember it, and don't want to see another. I suppose it was "culturally enlightening", dunno.

:hi:
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EndersDame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:49 AM
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58. Whilst playing with fire...
one can expect to get burned.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:01 AM
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62. Score one for the good guys.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:02 AM
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63. bulls = 1
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:12 AM
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65. It was the Matador's choice to go into the ring. Did anyone ask the bull?
It's only "Sport" if they arm the animals, too.

If someone can kill a deer with a knife, I say, it was a fair fight. No nets, no traps, no fences, no rifles. Just a guy chasing a deer around with a knife. That's sport.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:30 AM
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68. Yay! I always root for the underdog
And the Bulls have a terrible record, something like 0 and 257 this year alone.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:58 AM
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72. !!
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 10:50 AM
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75. You know what they say about messing with the bull...
:rofl:
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 10:59 AM
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77. There are so many
beautiful aspects to Spanish culture, this is not one of them. I doubt they will ever do away with bullfighting in Spain, it would be like asking Americans to give up hot dogs. Spaniards see this through a different lens than we do.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:00 AM
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78. Why do you hate Spain for its freedoms?
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drmeow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:37 PM
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125. Snort
:)
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 10:17 PM
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132. hola!
:hi:
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Snarkoleptic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:02 AM
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79. When ya fuck with the bull, ya get the horns.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:11 AM
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80. If the matador's air support hadn't been cancelled at the last minute this wouldn't have happened
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:24 AM
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84. Great comment. The animal has a little too much energy left. nm
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:23 AM
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83. I watched a bull fight once and found myself rooting for the bull. I decided it was wrong
from many levels. Never again.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:26 AM
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85. I could support bullfighting
If they just changed the rules a bit. Like why not get rid of the sharp objects and let the matadors and picadors compete by touching the bull with a rubber tipped object?

Even dog fights could be ethical if they muzzle the dogs and turn it into a kind of wrestling competition.

We used to have lots of human blood sports. Now all that's left is mixed martial arts, boxing and other martial arts. But there's no bloodshed in baseball.

Why do they have to hurt the bulls?

I remember reading as a kid the novels of Mary Renault, about ancient Greece and the origins of bullfighting were in bull jumping -- kind of like gymnastics, but jumping over a charging bull. Much more dangerous to the human than to the bull.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 03:12 PM
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111. I have seen something where the object was to grab something from between the bull's...
horns.

Wait.

what did you think I was going to say?
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:27 AM
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86. I'm thinking his career is over.
Poor bull's life is over.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:11 PM
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90. Good for the bull.
I wish they would make it illegal. I know, fat chance, but I wish.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:30 PM
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95. Yay, Toro! Ole! Come on, bulls -- Do this every time!
:bounce:
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sammythecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:33 PM
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96. I didn't watch the video. I know what to expect.
Bullfighting is sick and cruel. I have no sympathy or good will toward anyone involved with it in any way. Fans, participants, fuck 'em all.
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:44 PM
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103. Yay, Bull
:bounce:
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 03:02 PM
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110. That evil bull should be killed!!!!
It's a murderer!!! A wild man-killing monster! Trying to slaughter an innocent man who was simply stabbing it to death!
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AlexanderProgressive Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:01 PM
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115. I disagree with your happiness about this man's life-threatening injuries
Edited on Sun May-31-09 05:02 PM by AlexanderProgressive
His relatives are certainly torn as we speak, and he may have children.
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:35 PM
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123. Fuck him - I hope he fucking dies. nt
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Generic Brad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:04 PM
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116. That's definitely going to leave a mark
Ow. Ow. Ow. Ow!!!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:12 PM
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118. Tradition or not Spain and Mexico really need to ban the spectacle and
come into the twenty-first century. Some countries still stage bull fights for the art but the bull is neither harmed nor killed. The only bull fight I ever attended in my life at the urging of some friends made me physically ill. Not only that the poor horses are also put in harm's way.
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Moondog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:15 PM
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119. No sympathy here.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:32 PM
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121. (shrug) You mess with the bull...
You know the rest.

Apparently this holds, even if cowards wound, sedate, and paralyze the bull first.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:51 PM
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127. Well I like his little bull fighter ensem; the embroidery & filigree alone is to die for tailored...
up his ass I am sure but those shoes of his are simply *darling* I Want Some!!
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:34 PM
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130. ¡Ole!
When it comes to events like bullfights and Pamplona's Running of the Bulls, I always root for the bulls.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 02:55 AM
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141. Do the bulls in the running of the bulls come to some harm?
Really, I don't know.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 06:30 AM
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145. They end up in bullfights.
Things end badly for the bulls at Pamplona...
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 11:48 AM
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148. thanks, I suppose I should have figured. nt
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 01:03 AM
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138. Something else to think about
Edited on Mon Jun-01-09 01:04 AM by BreweryYardRat
Bulls have heavy heads. Judging by the picture, if the bull had any significant amount of momentum when it hit him...

Well, let's just say that even if he lives through being gored, the force of that impact probably ensured he won't be siring any little matadors. :evilgrin:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 04:51 AM
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142. Sometimes the bull wins..if only for a short time n/t
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 05:13 AM
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143. a sport with a bull i can support:
Edited on Mon Jun-01-09 05:16 AM by mix
bull leaping:

it's ancient, Minoan:

no-one dies, ideally
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull_Leaping
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 06:01 AM
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144. Cheers to the bull!
:toast: :thumbsup:
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 01:30 PM
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149. Always root for the bull!
Whether it is that damned run or a bullfight, I always root for the bull to win!

Bloodsports need to be done away with.
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