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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:58 AM
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George Tiller, controversial doctor, has been murdered!
Edited on Sun May-31-09 11:59 AM by ck4829
George Tiller, the Wichita doctor who became a national lightning rod in the debate over abortion, was shot to death this morning as he walked into church services.

Tiller was shot just after 10 a.m. at Reformation Lutheran Church at 7601 E. 13th, where he was a member of the congregation. An anonymous police source confirmed Tiller was the victim.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/1225751.html

Right wing terrorism has struck Kansas.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:00 PM
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1. Domestic terrorism strikes again....
...this is that back yard of our own we need to clean up...
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:01 PM
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2. What a great way to assert that killing is wrong!
:sarcasm:


:mad:
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:01 PM
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3. How awful.
Rabid anti-abortionists probably are as crazed as jihadists.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:54 PM
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28. Not really.
Both are murdering assholes but I've never heard of an anti-abortionist strapping on a suicide belt and taking out 40-50 people.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:38 PM
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38. They bomb abortion clinics.
Edited on Sun May-31-09 01:38 PM by dkf
Looks awfully similar to me...except they aren't willing to commit suicide.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 03:21 PM
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40. Yeah, that has not happened enough to establish a pattern.
While Jihadists in various parts of the world go through with bombings nearly every day.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:01 PM
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4. I'll just paste the link to my reply on this in another thread.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:01 PM
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5. And I'm sure with the Dems in power these killers will face tough, immediate consequences!
n/t
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:30 PM
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18. Its Kansas, so I would not be that confident. Its a local matter, not Federal
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:31 PM
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20. RICO charges against the national groups who sponsor these actions?
n/t
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:51 PM
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27. I can't tell if you meant it seriously or not.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:05 PM
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29. alas, I should've used the "sarcasm" icon...
n/t
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Towlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:02 PM
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6. Was the murderer "pro-life"?
Edited on Sun May-31-09 12:02 PM by Towlie
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:02 PM
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7. Pro-life, huh?
Fucking anti-choice, anti-women terrorists.

:grr:

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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:30 PM
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19. maybe pro CELL life...
Edited on Sun May-31-09 12:30 PM by cascadiance
I guess he/she's got to protect his/her fellow amoeba-like entities at the expense of other more ADVANCED life forms!
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:05 PM
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8. the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncomba
United States Law Code – the law that governs the entire country – contains a definition of terrorism embedded in its requirement that Annual Country reports on Terrorism be submitted by the Secretary of State to Congress every year. (From U.S. Code Title 22, Ch.38, Para. 2656f(d)

(d) Definitions
As used in this section—
(1) the term “international terrorism” means terrorism involving citizens or the territory of more than 1 country;
(2) the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents;
(3) the term “terrorist group” means any group, or which has significant subgroups which practice, international terrorism;
(4) the terms “territory” and “territory of the country” mean the land, waters, and airspace of the country; and
(5) the terms “terrorist sanctuary” and “sanctuary” mean an area in the territory of the country—
(A) that is used by a terrorist or terrorist organization—
(i) to carry out terrorist activities, including training, fundraising, financing, and recruitment; or
(ii) as a transit point; and
(B) the government of which expressly consents to, or with knowledge, allows, tolerates, or disregards such use of its territory and is not subject to a determination under—
(i) section 2405(j)(1)(A) of the Appendix to title 50;
(ii) section 2371 (a) of this title; or
(iii) section 2780 (d) of this title.




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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:05 PM
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9. Holy shit.
That's fucking insane.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:06 PM
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10. Shit.
I suppose it was one of those people claiming they value the sanctity of life who murdered him. Just shit.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:08 PM
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11. Let's be sure to give credit where credit is due.
All the right wing talking heads who actively stir up the frenzy and keep the temperature in the pot just under a full boil are responsible for this.

These people must be held accountable for what they say. The psycho hypocrites out there don't see the error of their logic when they kill others in the name of life.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:25 PM
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15. O'Reilly, specifically, went after him...
n/t
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:09 PM
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12. Another hero struck down
OK - why is it when this happens, the Freepers go wild, but when Reagan or any other Reich Wing Demon dies, we have to mourn with the racists?
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:29 PM
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17. I would not call him a hero
All men have feet of clay, and it looks like Tiller did cross the line when it came to not reporting the statutory rape of underage girls. Licensing board was starting to look at it with an eye to pulling his license.

That in no way excuses his murder.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:40 PM
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23. Anyone who has the guts to do late term abortions is a hero in my book
Doing so means taking on considerable risk with very little in return

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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:06 PM
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30. There is no such complaint...
regarding the non-reporting of statutory rape. I've read the complaint and each accusation levied against him is for fraud and nearly identical to the charges of which he was found not-guilty.

The link for the pdf of the complaint is here:

http://www.lifenews.com/state4003.html
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:12 PM
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13. Oh Goddess.
why?
In CHURCH, no less!

Terrorism is correct, and I'd like to see how much of the extra legal crap our govt has done to other persons of interest
gets done to this mother fucker.

Let's do all those things Unka Dik says will make us safer to find the next doctor killer.
Or not. But I think maybe this is a capital punishment murder sentence begging to be handed down.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:16 PM
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14. OMG.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:26 PM
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16. Police looking for light blue Ford Taurus with Kansas plates 225-BAB
Tiller shot INSIDE ... and perp drove away??? Sheesh!
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:32 PM
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21. I assume that it was not a sniper but the details are not clear. Was it
inside the church while the service was in session or outside in the parking lot?
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:36 PM
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22. From what I hear...
Someone walked into the church, opened fire, and then ran it out.

I might be wrong though.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:41 PM
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24. They killed him this time
Police said they are looking for white male who was driving a 1990s powder blue Ford Taurus with Kansas license plate 225 BAB.

http://www.kansas.com/news/breaking/story/833730.html
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A Jesus loving pro-life man kills a doctor in a church.
I give up!! Throw away the key.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:43 PM
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25. A Presbyterian church in Lincoln, NE was (maybe still is) a target for protests every Sunday
Edited on Sun May-31-09 12:48 PM by mnhtnbb
because an MD who provided abortion services was a deacon there--when we lived in Lincoln.

I went down, with Bible in hand, one Sunday (summer of 2000, I think) to talk to these people. The city let them demonstrate on the sidewalk in front of the church every week. They carried extremely large photos of remains from abortions. The church was losing members with small kids on a regular basis.
One of the members came out to talk to me and I asked them why they let these people (It was Operation Rescue) get away with this, week after week. I asked them why they didn't organize members, or pro-choice members from other local churches, to come out on the street and carry their own signs to obscure what the Operation Rescue folks were displaying. He had no answer.

It was quite an experience. I read Numbers 5:11-31 to the group of protesters and asked them what they thought happened if the adulteress was guilty and pregnant when the priest administered the potion? The obvious answer is that--and it's right there in the language--she would miscarry. I asked them what it meant that God would give Moses a ritual for the priests to use that could result in an abortion?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%205:11-31&version=49;

They couldn't stand that, started calling me the devil, and the guy who was directing all these women
counseled them not to speak to me. They all went to their posts, surrounding the building, and I walked
around trying to engage some of these sheeple women in a dialogue. They all started praying in response
to my trying to start a conversation.

It was one of the weirdest experiences I've ever had.

Don't know whether that group is still demonstrating in front of the church.

Any Lincoln, NE DU'ers know? It was Westminster Presbyterian Church on Sheridan Blvd.

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Gwendolyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:15 PM
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33. I'll bet it was an odd experience.

But good for you, and you're among the few who seem to be aware that God was A-OK with abortion, although it should be staggeringly obvious to anyone who has read that particular verse. Everyone knows what those "bitter herbs" were about.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:45 PM
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26. Let this be a wake up call to any of you calling yourself "Pro Life" (the murderers' brand name)
May George Tiller rest in peace.
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Seen the light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:07 PM
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31. I guess they can shut up about the DHS report on right-wing extremists now
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/16/homeland-security-chief-d_n_187613.html

Yeah it's batshit crazy to think that someone opposed to abortion might launch an act of terror, right freepers? :eyes:
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:13 PM
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32. Why was he considered "controversial?"
Not looking for an argument, but I read the article and saw nothing that would suggest to me he was "controversial."

Unless upholding the Constitutional is considered "controversial."
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:17 PM
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34. Because right wingers considered him to be that and I didn't know what else to say
Edited on Sun May-31-09 01:18 PM by ck4829
I myself don't think he was controversial.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:17 PM
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35. He was one of the few doctors who performed late-term abortions.
Understand that these abortions are ONLY done for medical reasons. The right-wing likes to lie and say that women commonly abort 8-month fetuses "just because," but that's bullshit. Serious birth defects, neonatal medical conditions that are incompatible with life, and serious maternal health concerns are the ONLY reasons for late-term abortions.

Even so, they've tried to murder him plenty of times before. Today they finally managed it. The Freepers will undoubtedly be frantically masturbating over it for weeks, the sick fucks.

:puke:

:cry:
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:26 PM
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36. There were complaints of not reporting underage pregnancies
Edited on Sun May-31-09 01:27 PM by ProgressiveProfessor
(AKA statutory rapes) and lack of independent 2nd opinions as required by KS law. There had been several investigations (witch hunts) and there was at least one pending.

My take is that he was not perfect but that in no way justifies murder
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:26 PM
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37. the primary controversy
at least among the right wing pundits was that he performed abortions on juveniles who were below the statutory age of consent and did not notify the authorities.
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EndersDame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:44 PM
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39. I am always scared going into the planned parenthood in waco
(to get my birth control and prevent an abortion) thankfully there is an arm guard that usually works there
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