Can we start treating these anti-abortion groups as terrorist organizations?

Hugabear

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Sun May-31-09 04:15 PM
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Can we start treating these anti-abortion groups as terrorist organizations?

Even if they're not directly responsible for all the anti-abortion violence we've seen over the past few decades, they've certainly helped create an atmosphere where anti-abortion whackos feel justified in killing people to further their cause.

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Fresh_Start

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Sun May-31-09 04:16 PM
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1. no, no thought police nt

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Hugabear

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Sun May-31-09 04:26 PM
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6. But that's how we go after groups like KKK, Aryan Nations, etc

Even though the leadership of those groups may not technically be responsible for violent acts (or if so, it's almost impossible to prove), they have been held liable in the past.

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Fresh_Start

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Sun May-31-09 04:28 PM
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7. I think that not all groups against abortion are equal

the KKK and Aryan brotherhoods advocated violence.

If an anti-choice group offers prayers or housing or counselling to women seeking abortion, that's an appropriate non-violent action.

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martymar64

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Sun May-31-09 06:10 PM
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20. Let's investigate them all under the Patriot Act

If some groups are innocent, then they have nothing to worry about. The investigations and wiretaps will exonerate them. But those that support this terrorism need to go away for a long long time.
We're stuck with the Patriot Act, we might as well use it to fight terrorism like this.

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stray cat

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Sun May-31-09 05:44 PM
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19. Are we arresting members of those groups as terrorists? I think extremist groups are monitored

the best we can monitor them without disturbing their civil liberties.

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Hugabear

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Sun May-31-09 10:50 PM
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21. Actually the gov't has used the RICO act very successfully against these types of groups

If nothing else, I think we should use RICO to go after groups like Operation Rescue.

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Taverner

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Sun May-31-09 04:18 PM
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2. I have always considered Operation Rescue a terrorist org

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Dappleganger

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Sun May-31-09 04:33 PM
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11. It's a breeding ground

it's where the anti-choice extremists get their first taste of organization, then they migrate to the fringe group which suits their purposes.

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baldguy

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Sun May-31-09 04:19 PM
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3. At least seize the assets of organizations who support them.

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WeDidIt

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Sun May-31-09 04:19 PM
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4. Seize their assets

and the assets of those who donate to them.

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Cleita

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Sun May-31-09 04:23 PM
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5. I believe the families of the victims should have the right to sue

the pants off of them for instigating acts that caused harm to them.

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havocmom

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Sun May-31-09 04:30 PM
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8. Anybody have Operation Rescue pages copied and saved?

The site won't load and we wonder about them being busy scrubbing right now.

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ColbertWatcher

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Sun May-31-09 04:33 PM
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10. DUer NJmaverick posted a link from the Wayback Machine ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5754972&mesg_id=5754994

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ColbertWatcher

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Sun May-31-09 04:32 PM
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9. Yes. They seek to influence policy through violence. n/t

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question everything

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Sun May-31-09 04:34 PM
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12. Certainly whoever encouraged the killer to do this

as an accessory to murder.

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cali

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Sun May-31-09 04:38 PM
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13. not just no, but fuck no. hell no.

Edited on Sun May-31-09 04:42 PM by cali

talk about your slippery slope. really bad idea.

edited to add: your suggestion that those not involved, is what I'm referring to. If an organization has never endorsed violant action or used inflammatory action, they shouldn't be prosecuted. Organizations like Operation Rescue are a different story.

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Hugabear

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Sun May-31-09 04:40 PM
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14. See post #6

We already do this with groups like the KKK, Aryan Nations, World Church of the Creator, and other hate groups.

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spoony

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Sun May-31-09 04:42 PM
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15. Odd, I see the same arguments made about Muslim groups

Let me just replace a few words:

"Even if they're not directly responsible for all the TERRORISM we've seen over the past few decades, they've certainly helped create an atmosphere where MUSLIM EXTREMISTS feel justified in killing people to further their cause."

I'm not commenting particularly about Operation Rescue as I don't know much about them, nor is this really about pro-life groups per se. Just pointing out that in the wake of something like this, rhetoric can quickly replace clear-thinking and lead to false portraits being painted.

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stray cat

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Sun May-31-09 05:41 PM
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16. Can we do it for muslims because of 9-11? I think we have to be careful on blanket blame games

Edited on Sun May-31-09 05:42 PM by stray cat

Many groups have dangerous extremists -other groups are terrorist organizations but we can't selectively choose terrorist labels for only those we disagree with. If someone on DU attacked Ann Coulter would DU be a terrorist group?

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BlooInBloo

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Sun May-31-09 05:43 PM
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17. By their fruits we shall know them.

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bunkerbuster1

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Sun May-31-09 05:44 PM
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18. Well, I always have.

Getting the government to go along is another matter.

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